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Post by SoaponaRope [BK] on Mar 18, 2015 21:51:59 GMT
Hi all, we got some comments and suggestions to create a Megathread for Recycle since there is a lot of good information on the boards already. I will be moving that information and please feel free to continue any and all discussions on the matter. Melding Recycle requires an Evolved 4-star Creature and multiple duplicate copies of that card that will be destroyed in the Melding process. Upon successful meld, you will also destroy your original Recycle creature. When Melding, make sure you're 100% sure that you've selected the Recycle skill in the Melding controls, this will be shown as a Green dot next to the skill and will change the Expertise bar to refer to Recycle. If you accidentally Meld one of the other two skills you will lose that copy of the card forever, so use caution! Recycle Sources:
- Thalassa (Recycle 1) - Unlocked through the Unseal Feature. The first Thalassa requires 1 copy of each card. The 2nd Thalassa requires 12 copies of each card. The 3rd Thalassa requires 24 copies of each card.
It is highly recommended that you Meld Recycle 1 from your Thalassa at the earliest possibility, as there are many cards with better utility. - Hippolyta (Recycle 2) - Found in the Maze.
It is not recommended that you meld Hippolyta's Recycle 2 until you are in high-end game play and fully comprehend the choice you are making. - Dahlia (Recycle 2) - Found in Lucky Spin.
It is not recommended that you meld Dahlia's Recycle 2 unless you have extremely high-end cards to meld it onto.
Why Meld Away Thalassa?
Thalassa is a favorite card of many new players because he is one of the first guaranteed 5-star cards and his Recycle skill greatly enhances your deck's power in Explorer's Gate and PVP alike. But you will quickly reach a point where the only reason he's still in your deck is because of Recycle. Analyzing Thalassa objectively shows that he is a relatively weak card fully susceptible physical damage, magic damage, lock-downs which prevent him from Recycling, Instakill and Disposal as well as Retreat. The truth is there are a number of 4-star Creatures that are overall better, or a much better carrier of such an important skill. While it may be hard to rationalize giving up a 5-star Creature to enhance a 4-star Creature, the results certainly speak for themselves and the community as a whole encourages you to try it. Revive vs Recycle:
Revive is a superior spell to Recycle in almost every way, even more-so in high end game play. The main difference, though, is that Revive requires an Evolved 5-star Creature and multiple copies which can be extremely difficult to acquire and requires destroying many very powerful creatures to achieve. Recycle is a less powerful Creature Skill, but can be melded onto 4-star Creatures giving the majority of players many more options for their decks. Generally speaking, a Revive meld requires a lucky or high-paying seasoned player, where a Recycle Meld can be 100% farmed by anyone with a little patience and know-how. Recycle Meld Options:
For newbies interested in melding away the Recycle from their Thalassa, I wanted to give a quick breakdown of the options many players have spoken about- - Horned Beast - Immunity 7 protects 70% from both Lockdowns and Instakill/Disposal/Retreat. He has low health, though, and is best played infront of weaker enemy Creatures instead of as a tank.
- Swordmaster - Her Frost Armor and Maji Shield keep her alive an extremely long time, although she is susceptible to Instakill/Retreat and Lockdowns.
- Harbinger - His Rebirth 6 gives him a 50% chance to return to your hand after death, and has Dodge 6 and Life Sap to increase his survivability making him another great option.
- Light Brave - His Rebirth 6 gives him a 50% chance to return to your hand after death, and has Dodge 8 to increase his survivability making him another great option.
- Dullahan - Dullahan has protection from Instakill/Disposal/Retreat with Stoneskin and has Rebirth 5. Many players choose to save Dulluhan for other meld options, however.
There are a number of other potential options for this amazing skill. Please feel free to browse the information below for more great insight into Recycle Melding.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Mar 31, 2015 20:15:18 GMT
HI i have 3 hornet beast and also 3 dullahan and 1 thallasa for recycle.
question is where shoudl i meld recycle? i am using fean but in long term rather will be wight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 20:27:48 GMT
you will need 6 of either one you are going to put the meld on. I used it for horned beast, which is versatile in any deck especially with the mass heal. In the long run with wight dullahan will be better the only problem is you still need 3 more.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Mar 31, 2015 21:13:31 GMT
if i decide go for gems meld and 2x day meld i guess 3 are maximum, maybe i can do that with 2 also with luck.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 0:05:39 GMT
if i decide go for gems meld and 2x day meld i guess 3 are maximum, maybe i can do that with 2 also with luck. it doesn't work that way with gems you will need 5 cards instead of 6. each time you meld with coins on 2xmeld day you only have a 15% of success each time. now if you use gems you only have a 22.5% chance of success and have to spend 256 gems each time only to have a 7.5% better chance, not worth it imo. But if you want to minimize total dullahans used you would spend gems on the first 2 melds (512 gems) bring you to 90% expertise, then use gold on your next to draws so you only use 5 cards instead of 6, but at the end of the day is 512 gems worth it to use one less dullahan...
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Post by inevitable on Apr 1, 2015 0:23:13 GMT
You can still get lucky too. I got Recycle on Light Brave on first go. Didn't have enough copies either, still tried it for the heck of it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 0:30:41 GMT
You can still get lucky too. I got Recycle on Light Brave on first go. Didn't have enough copies either, still tried it for the heck of it. That is true, but hitmas thought you just need a maximum of 3 to guarantee success with gems, just informing him so he is not disappointed that they really need 5 in case they are not so lucky. me personally i have melded 8 cards that had a 15% success and have never got it, every single meld i have done has taken the expertise bar to be completely full so im currently 0/32 on melding with 15% success.
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Post by jhafaadai on Apr 1, 2015 1:33:06 GMT
On regular day, took 4 tries to meld my first frost rager using only gold. My 2nd frost rager and my faen marksman i was able to meld on first attempt on 2xmeld day using gems. If i was to meld rares, then i would definitely go this route again.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Apr 1, 2015 4:24:32 GMT
Hmm in case 2x meld day. It is 45+45+10+sucess = hmm Yes you are right 5 copies. Pity that gem meld is not 25% seems i need to wait. But not using either hornet or dullahan copies so to try ealier to test luck.
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Post by Uchiha.D.Ichigo on Apr 14, 2015 13:53:35 GMT
Guys! I can't meld Recycle neither Instakill and i don't know why.. I see a lot of melded 4 star creature with these skills, but every time i go to meld screen and select a Master, i can't select any of my 5 star creature or the cyclops. Can somebody tell me why this is happening to me? I have copies for my evolved creatures.
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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Apr 14, 2015 15:00:21 GMT
Guys! I can't meld Recycle neither Instakill and i don't know why.. I see a lot of melded 4 star creature with these skills, but every time i go to meld screen and select a Master, i can't select any of my 5 star creature or the cyclops. Can somebody tell me why this is happening to me? I have copies for my evolved creatures. Remove them from your main deck first
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Post by maxp83 on May 11, 2015 13:04:00 GMT
ok so as the title says best recycle meld from thalassa are
im not sure need advice
so for morti im pretty sure its harb dullahan looks so much better with instakill but some swear by the stoneskin
my choice harb convince me otherwise please
now fean people go for HB but im thinking light brave i cannot decide which annoys me cause one will get it i know light brave can take instakill but so can deam guide
my choice is im not sure im leaning towards light brave however people have told me that its not uncommon for hb to survive many many rounds
human royal drag or SM not sure other viable options
neander not sure
guys please help an undecided fellow player out much appriciated jc*m.pain (you may see me hanging about top 50 in guid battle sometimes befor i go bed and rank tanks lol )
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Post by Pyron on May 11, 2015 19:10:29 GMT
Neander could be either Graboid or Twin.
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Post by bigstab [NFS] on May 15, 2015 6:28:53 GMT
I think people go with HB because it has a chance to resist disposal. Also if placed to the right the immunity will keep him alive
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on May 15, 2015 6:54:26 GMT
I think people go with HB because it has a chance to resist disposal. Also if placed to the right the immunity will keep him alive It's the combo of Dodge and Immunity.
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Post by Somar [BK] on May 15, 2015 7:18:24 GMT
one of the best recyclers i've faced is swordmaster, the 2 turn timer makes it almost impossible to dispose, and once in play lasts forever to kill, unless u can lock him down constantly it will bring a bunch of crits back from the graveyard everytime
faced a guy with 2 of those in gauntlet and the damn things are anoying as hell, horned beast his right up there too though
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Post by maxp83 on May 16, 2015 8:13:12 GMT
now im thinking hb over light brave i need more copies of each used meld day for other projects
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Post by devindestroyer on May 19, 2015 14:51:41 GMT
Im wondering the same thing I run a full Mortii undying 2x thalassa and a melded pit dragon with revive. Im wondering should I run a horned beast with my crew? I lose my death march but thats not a huge deal if i could keep a recycler alive
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Post by aketto on May 19, 2015 15:09:00 GMT
I melded one of my Thalassa's Recycle on Light Brave. So far it is a lot better than before. 1st of all Thalassa is a 6 timer, while Light Brave is only 4. Second it has a 50% chance to return to the deck, so it's good. The only downfall is that it has a Magic DMG skill, so against Spiky bits it could cause troubles. But I'm happy and I recommend Recycle on Light Brave. My deck is stronger now than it was with the Thalassa. Now i plan to get a third Thalassa, so I will have 2 when running a pure Mortii deck.
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Post by maxp83 on May 19, 2015 17:17:23 GMT
I still can't decide hb or lb
Considering I have it on harb what should I do lol sm a good one to put recycle on aswell I might put on human as I hope one day to have hippo do my Fea recycle idk
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Post by devindestroyer on May 19, 2015 17:17:28 GMT
The thing about my deck is 50% rebirth is not really an issue because I have a revival and 2 recycle. To me, keeping it in play longer would be more important rather than always in my deck from being recycled/rebirthed. Im sure either way, dodge and rebirth would be better than a thalassa, as well as immunity and dodge. Im at 100% expertise waiting for 8 more shards. I was just having second guesses whether i should go through with it. taking me a month to pursue this meld!
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Post by maxp83 on May 19, 2015 17:26:46 GMT
Ah man I just read another thread and I didn't consider lock down hb may be the better option idk so annoying but from exoeriance harb has been great with the rebirth so the question is what's better immunity or more hp and rebirth writing this has confused me more lol
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Post by thundergod on May 19, 2015 18:07:53 GMT
I think the best choices are Horned Beast and Swordmaster, followed by Light Brave. Harbinger can be a choice, but is like a worse version of lb.
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Post by R✰Slippo on May 19, 2015 19:04:22 GMT
I've done Light Brave, SM and need a few more cards to finish Harbringer. Hands down SM is the best between the two I have. While rebirth is great, if you have another recycle or a revive it doesn't matter as much if you have rebirth on your recycler.
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Post by SoaponaRope [BK] on May 19, 2015 19:29:00 GMT
Horned Beast operates different than most of the other options - and I sincerely don't mean "better" but certainly different. Horned Beast should be placed as a support (far right or in front of a weak ATK). If played right, my Horned Beast has the ability of consistantly returning 5-6 creatures from my Graveyard over 5-6 turns even in a CRAZY battle. Because of Immunity, he also doesn't generally end up Frozen or Delayed which is very important if you're really wanting to actually recycle your Graveyard back into your deck (no pun intended). Many of the other options for Recycle here are much more tactical but short-lived. By tactical I mean timing is everything, and timing will trump placement. In fact, if you're trying to get back your Disposal card immediately on round 8 then you may want to put your Recycler as far left as possible so that he has a chance of Rebirthing sooner. Having Recycle on a rebirth with no lockdown protection basically guarantees only the first Recycle. You'll probably get 2 or 3 but right now I only have my Horned Beasts Melded so I don't have anything to test this with. Where tactical is better is earlier in the game to bring back specific cards for specific purposes (Disposal, Instakill, Tanks). Especially if melding Recycle onto a Rebirth AND you have a second or third Recycler in your deck, you're looking at having the opportunity to play this card over and over for the purpose of never letting your deck dwindle down in the first place. Where Horned Beast is better is when its down to 3 v 3 or 4 v 4 and you really need your cards back. In a perfect world, in my opinion, you want Revive for Tactical purposes and Recycle for recycling. Since most of us don't have a Great Mystic laying around, Light Brave or Dullahan or Harbringer all make amazing use of the Recycle. Edit - Just wanted to put despite what I just said that I am still working on my second Horned Beast over the other options. He's an insane game changer. But I also don't have 1 single Disposal card yet so the tactical option for me is not really a great one.
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Post by Somar [BK] on May 19, 2015 20:19:21 GMT
As of now i have 2 recycles melded from thalassas and i`ve now started farming a 3rd one.
My first recycle meld is a light brave, 2nd is a swordmaster, and my 3rd is probably going to be horned beast.
The reason for 3 different recycle melds is simple, having a larger range of situations they can be used.
against heavy physical decks and with low lockdown ability, swordmaster is the best, as long as u can support it with healing, theres no end to the recycling loop.
Ligh brave also can tank, but his main trait his the rebirth, in more complicated fights it comes in hand to have ur recycling coming back from the dead
Horned beast works best against magic decks with lockdowns and his a better support card than the others
in the end, all my decks are being designed to have at least 2 recyclers in them, because u need the ability to bring each recycler back each time it dies.
And thats why having a mixed team of recyclers comes in hand, u can change them arround regarding each situation without having to play into the strenght of ur opponent.
Using 1/2 cards of the "wrong" faction doesnt make ur deck suffer much in terms of effectiveness, so instead of focusing my melds on the faction, i focus them on the roles the crits play in the battle
And that is,IMO,the best way to meld ur recycles away, focus on purpose intead of faction and mix them up, trying to achieve as much flexabilty as u can with them.
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Post by aketto on May 19, 2015 21:57:50 GMT
I wondered a lot if I should meld my Thalassa's and in the end I decided to do something similar to what Somar is trying to do. If someone has Great Mystic it really doesn't matter what you will meld Recycle onto. But like the others me myself has not have the mystic. So I also think that having the three best recycling options - Light Brave, Horned Beast and the Sword Master could do the trick.
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Post by devindestroyer on May 20, 2015 3:44:59 GMT
Some very good and elaborate answers here. Here is where im at, I have revive melded on a rebirth card (pit dragon) now I need the immunity for lock down decks. So im gonna finish my horny beast next. Also I have 4 spare harbingers, should I meld away my other thalassa?
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Post by SoaponaRope [BK] on May 20, 2015 20:03:23 GMT
Some very good and elaborate answers here. Here is where im at, I have revive melded on a rebirth card (pit dragon) now I need the immunity for lock down decks. So im gonna finish my horny beast next. Also I have 4 spare harbingers, should I meld away my other thalassa? If it was me, I would. Harbingers going to work better than Thalassa almost always.
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Post by Somar [BK] on May 20, 2015 20:11:53 GMT
Thalassa is garbage if u disregard the recycle. I say only use Thalassa early on and then meld recycle once u can afford it.
There isn't a single reason to use Thalassa in late game. 6 timer is awfull and disposal magnet. No defensive skills whatsoever, mortii is the worst faction to use synergies and bane gives u nothing worth keeping.
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