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Post by storyteller on Oct 9, 2015 2:32:13 GMT
Well, this was certainly much better than the disaster that I was expecting. Still, I hope this worked out for everyone, particularly newer players. I think it was good they put a cap on how many shards could be lost, but it really makes me wonder. I got maybe 4-5 shard drops from explore, chambers, etc. I "heisted" over 50, and lost around 2. So where did they all come from? Did the rest of you get more drops than I did?
Maybe some newer players could chime in on if the event worked out for them?
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Post by wathon on Oct 9, 2015 2:43:29 GMT
Well, this was certainly much better than the disaster that I was expecting. Still, I hope this worked out for everyone, particularly newer players. I think it was good they put a cap on how many shards could be lost, but it really makes me wonder. I got maybe 4-5 shard drops from explore, chambers, etc. I "heisted" over 50, and lost around 2. So where did they all come from? Did the rest of you get more drops than I did? Maybe some newer players could chime in on if the event worked out for them? 1) New players aren't strong enough to beat the 10k+ might decks (high/very high drop chance), so they hardly get any shards unfortunately. 2) most players already has some paragon/angle prime shards from guild map. As for Shinryu and Drones, who knows, IGG probably planted some NPC accounts with those shard.
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Post by sonbalin on Oct 9, 2015 3:39:16 GMT
1) New players aren't strong enough to beat the 10k+ might decks (high/very high drop chance), so they hardly get any shards unfortunately. The high/very high drop chance is relative to the power of the deck you use. I was getting very high drop chances for 4.5k opponents.
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Post by Izanami✪NFS on Oct 9, 2015 4:10:13 GMT
Thank Buddha! I finally managed to complete my Shinryu :3
Only ended up with 5 extra shards, almost had to spend gems!
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Oct 9, 2015 4:19:42 GMT
Just finished my Mythril Drone too, pretty happy with that!
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Post by Pyron on Oct 9, 2015 4:22:51 GMT
I missed about half of the event. Still managed to complete 1 Paragon on each account.
It was more generous than what is normal to IGG; however, it may be on par compared to the original version, so I hope IGG becomes as generous as the Taiwanese version.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 9, 2015 4:41:28 GMT
I am not sure if lower power attack deck gave higher chances for shards because I used my 9 card main deck and drops were nice.
I am thinking this might end up like sky arena for me, I got my angel prime from the first one and then it got worthless to me after that. I wonder how next heist event will be like.
Status: 2nd paragon 41/50.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 9, 2015 4:46:08 GMT
I hope they put great mystic shards for heist. That would truly be great Lol, p2w guys would quit. Anyways Paragon >> Mystic. Paragon is a much superior card.
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Oct 9, 2015 4:54:23 GMT
Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Oct 9, 2015 4:54:23 GMT
Stole 101 paragon and lost 1. Wasn't sure if it would let me go over 100 or not to get the 1 I lost back.
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Post by orgoth on Oct 9, 2015 6:45:18 GMT
me heist account Paragorn: start with 5, lost 5, ended with 43 so close
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Post by freki on Oct 9, 2015 7:10:41 GMT
Amazing event! The day before it, I had almost no chance of getting paragorn anytime soon. So, yesterday I started with 0 shards and completed whole Paragorn! Had to spend some gems to finish last shards, but its totally worth it. Only thing that bothers me, I used all daily energy and arena/tourney attempts as usual, but did not get any event shards at all. How much did everyone get from these, I wonder...? Still very happy with the event
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Post by Izanami✪NFS on Oct 9, 2015 7:14:59 GMT
Amazing event! The day before it, I had almost no chance of getting paragorn anytime soon. So, yesterday I started with 0 shards and completed whole Paragorn! Had to spend some gems to finish last shards, but its totally worth it. Only thing that bothers me, I used all daily energy and arena/tourney attempts as usual, but did not get any event shards at all. How much did everyone get from these, I wonder...? Still very happy with the event Congrats! I don't think you're meant to get very many shards on your own in the first place, I only got 1, most players i know only got 3 at the most. It's only to get shards in circulation for the event.
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Post by deadsun on Oct 9, 2015 12:16:45 GMT
Amazing event! The day before it, I had almost no chance of getting paragorn anytime soon. So, yesterday I started with 0 shards and completed whole Paragorn! Had to spend some gems to finish last shards, but its totally worth it. Only thing that bothers me, I used all daily energy and arena/tourney attempts as usual, but did not get any event shards at all. How much did everyone get from these, I wonder...? Still very happy with the event Congrats! I don't think you're meant to get very many shards on your own in the first place, I only got 1, most players i know only got 3 at the most. It's only to get shards in circulation for the event. Thing is, it was listed as a shard event in the notice. So when you spend every daily allowance, all your energy (without losing out to capping) and get every 30 energy bonus, and still not get a single shard from anything? That's a shitty event. If they hadn't listed it as a shard event in the notice I would be more with you, but they did.
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Post by BK✦Ohalko on Oct 12, 2015 7:15:52 GMT
For 4-5 mounths got only 26 paragorn shards and i can say im in very good guild and for a day i complete it in a acc with which i play for 30-40 days. Im free to play not spending a single $$ and that event is too huge boost. As somepost they now will make new op creatures available only for money :/
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Oct 12, 2015 16:06:25 GMT
Post by Karadoras on Oct 12, 2015 16:06:25 GMT
I hope they put great mystic shards for heist. That would truly be great Lol, p2w guys would quit. Anyways Paragon >> Mystic. Paragon is a much superior card. Lawl, in what world is Paragon the superior card?
Mystic is card advantage every turn.. Paragon stops card disadvantage at the very best.. and that is if she stays in play to stop the recursion... no offence but Mystic is better by miles... ^^
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Oct 12, 2015 16:12:23 GMT
Post by Lastpak✪NFS on Oct 12, 2015 16:12:23 GMT
Paragon stops 40% of the enemy deck making them significantly less effective . I'd say that's pretty damn powerful.
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Post by Somar [BK] on Oct 12, 2015 16:15:07 GMT
Paragon is a better card overall.
Paragon has 3 solid skills with torment being top notch.
Mystic only has revive. Other than that 2 average skills and no deffense whatsoever.
Although revive is worth a lot but it's way better when melded away from mystic.
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Oct 12, 2015 16:22:18 GMT
Post by Karadoras on Oct 12, 2015 16:22:18 GMT
I get that Paragon shuts down other decks that use recycle, rebirth, etc, but Paragon has to stay alive to stop those, and literally does nothing much the turn you play her, or doesnt seem to for me when I play her...
Mystic when played does work right away, yeah she is lacking a bit on the other skills, although I dont think her other skills are completely lacking.. and yes melding her skill on another creature would most likely do better, but the skill for revive or whatever its called is just OP and mostly anyone without it is behind in most any game against others that do have it...
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Oct 12, 2015 16:43:00 GMT
Post by storyteller on Oct 12, 2015 16:43:00 GMT
Can I say that both sides are right here? Between the two, I'd rather get a GM, but that is because revive is so OP. I'd try to get that revive on something tanky with immunity or unbound. On the other hand, if I had to keep each card as is, I'd take the Paragon, because as Somar says, torment is a game changer and the other two skills are very solid. Anyway, I'm very happy to have gotten Paragon in the heist event, and glad to hear that the event was at least somewhat balanced for newer players. That's very kind for f2p.
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Post by Somar [BK] on Oct 12, 2015 17:32:22 GMT
I get that Paragon shuts down other decks that use recycle, rebirth, etc, but Paragon has to stay alive to stop those, and literally does nothing much the turn you play her, or doesnt seem to for me when I play her... Mystic when played does work right away, yeah she is lacking a bit on the other skills, although I dont think her other skills are completely lacking.. and yes melding her skill on another creature would most likely do better, but the skill for revive or whatever its called is just OP and mostly anyone without it is behind in most any game against others that do have it... u still have to consider that while not as powerful u can still make do with recycle. Torment has no substitute. Either u have it or u don't.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 12, 2015 18:30:08 GMT
Offence non taken. But I will give you a few examples why paragon is super powerful. 1. All mortii heroes undying/deathless is negated. 2. Kumiho + kitsune can't revive each other. 3. Any kind of revive/recycle/healing breath/resurrection is cancelled. 4. Rebirth creatures can't come back. 5. As ineffective as it makes enemy mortii heroes it makes your mortii heroes equally deadly with ghoul feast, Armageddon resurrection. 6. All paragon has to do is to stay in the field and torment is always active. To successfully revive creatures mystic or melded revive creature has to be protected against all sorts of control effects. 7. There is no point in having a revive creature if you are not able to beat enemy paragon, revive is rendered completely useless in that situation. Even Fafnir or mimir revive alone can't stand a chance against a defensive paragon deck. Their are a few top tournament f2p players who don't even have revive, but they have superior decks with paragons farmed from guild maps. They don't need revive to score top but paragon is a highly needed.
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Post by Izanami✪NFS on Oct 12, 2015 21:15:59 GMT
Offence non taken. But I will give you a few examples why paragon is super powerful. 1. All mortii heroes undying/deathless is negated. 2. Kumiho + kitsune can't revive each other. 3. Any kind of revive/recycle/healing breath/resurrection is cancelled. 4. Rebirth creatures can't come back. 5. As ineffective as it makes enemy mortii heroes it makes your mortii heroes equally deadly with ghoul feast, Armageddon resurrection. 6. All paragon has to do is to stay in the field and torment is always active. To successfully revive creatures mystic or melded revive creature has to be protected against all sorts of control effects. 7. There is no point in having a revive creature if you are not able to beat enemy paragon, revive is rendered completely useless in that situation. Even Fafnir or mimir revive alone can't stand a chance against a defensive paragon deck. Their are a few top tournament f2p players who don't even have revive, but they have superior decks with paragons farmed from guild maps. They don't need revive to score top but paragon is a highly needed. Mystic(revive) is far superior. Ask anyone else who is competitive and succesful in tcg games ie Magic, Yugioh, and they will tell you, cards/skills that advance game states (revive,recycle, etc) outshine cards that halt the advancement of gamestates. A card whose utility is completely merited on the fact that your opponent has in play a card that you can stop is fundamentally weaker than a card that needs to be stopped or else you'll be at a disadvantage. This is simple TCG logic, almost every card game like this comes down to a battle of resources. Whoever can keep supplying monsters while dwindling their opponents the longest will win. Don't get me wrong, everything you said about Paragon i agree with, she's an absolute beast, and a staple for almost every deck. But (revive) is fundamentally better than torment in more situations than naught.
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Post by storyteller on Oct 12, 2015 22:28:44 GMT
Interesting discussion Some very good points on both sides. I would say that "getting" a GM is better in part because the skill can be melded. I've watched a few of my tournament battles since I got my paragon and I noticed a few things. 1. As voldrox pointed out, there are many ways cards can come out of the graveyard, so paragon is very effective against many kinds of decks, not just revive. Paragon right now is the only card available to shut down the graveyard, so it has a unique importance. 2. When paragon comes out is very important. If paragon comes out at the right time, it is game over for decks based on rebirth, recycle, etc. But paragon needs to come out not too early, when she will get killed, or too late, when the opponent has control of the board. If paragon can negate a few rebirth/recycle/revive, I get a huge advantage and usually win. 3. Revive is less dependent on timing. Because revive brings creatures back onto the board, it has more potential to swing a battle and is superior to both rebirth and recycle. For example, revive can pull back a Balthazar melded with instakill. (I've had something like that happen to me). 4. Torment, being tied to paragon, is vulnerable to both disposal and instakill. Revive has more potential because it can be transferred. So getting the revive card is better than getting the torment card. 5. Finally, I'd rather get a GM, because it is so much harder to get. Paragon can be gotten from the guild map, and IGG pretty much made one available to anyone who worked at getting it through heist. As time goes on, most people will probably have multiple paragons, especially if it is included in the next heist. OTOH, I've opened exactly 60 human boosters to get one GM, and I got it on my alternate. Others might have gotten a better drop rate than me (one of my guild mates got it on the third booster), but I still think it is far harder to get than paragon at this point, at least for f2p. Anyway, really like the discussion. Gives food for thought. Thanks guys
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Post by sonbalin on Oct 12, 2015 23:32:11 GMT
A card whose utility is completely merited on the fact that your opponent has in play a card that you can stop is fundamentally weaker than a card that needs to be stopped or else you'll be at a disadvantage. Paragon has more Utility than just Torment though. Mystic also relies on you having cards in the Graveyard so you can apply similar logic there. This is simple TCG logic, almost every card game like this comes down to a battle of resources. Whoever can keep supplying monsters while dwindling their opponents the longest will win. Paragon is actually a better tool in the battle for resources though. Considering almost every deck has multiple tools to get cards back into play, using one card to shut them all down for your opponent will win that battle for resources more than having one extra method to brings cards back for yourself. Don't get me wrong, everything you said about Paragon i agree with, she's an absolute beast, and a staple for almost every deck. But (revive) is fundamentally better than torment in more situations than naught. It's easy to bring cards back into play without Revive though, not quite as effective but there are lots of ways to do it using both creatures and heroes. Paragon is the only creature that can stop your opponent from bringing his own cards to play though, unless you know something I don't.
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Oct 12, 2015 23:48:32 GMT
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Post by orgoth on Oct 12, 2015 23:48:32 GMT
Offence non taken. But I will give you a few examples why paragon is super powerful. 1. All mortii heroes undying/deathless is negated. 2. Kumiho + kitsune can't revive each other. 3. Any kind of revive/recycle/healing breath/resurrection is cancelled. 4. Rebirth creatures can't come back. 5. As ineffective as it makes enemy mortii heroes it makes your mortii heroes equally deadly with ghoul feast, Armageddon resurrection. 6. All paragon has to do is to stay in the field and torment is always active. To successfully revive creatures mystic or melded revive creature has to be protected against all sorts of control effects. 7. There is no point in having a revive creature if you are not able to beat enemy paragon, revive is rendered completely useless in that situation. Even Fafnir or mimir revive alone can't stand a chance against a defensive paragon deck. Their are a few top tournament f2p players who don't even have revive, but they have superior decks with paragons farmed from guild maps. They don't need revive to score top but paragon is a highly needed. Mystic(revive) is far superior. Ask anyone else who is competitive and succesful in tcg games ie Magic, Yugioh, and they will tell you, cards/skills that advance game states (revive,recycle, etc) outshine cards that halt the advancement of gamestates. A card whose utility is completely merited on the fact that your opponent has in play a card that you can stop is fundamentally weaker than a card that needs to be stopped or else you'll be at a disadvantage. This is simple TCG logic, almost every card game like this comes down to a battle of resources. Whoever can keep supplying monsters while dwindling their opponents the longest will win. Don't get me wrong, everything you said about Paragon i agree with, she's an absolute beast, and a staple for almost every deck. But (revive) is fundamentally better than torment in more situations than naught. true but i prefer lockdown in any TCG so gimme a paragorn
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