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Post by ninjafred on Feb 1, 2016 17:08:06 GMT
Well, for this to work you hav to get the initial investment of 145k gems, which is approx. 2000$ best case ... Even with 'best offer gems' from Star membership, (gaining 3000 gems per month) you will need around 3 years of star membership and 6*36 = $216 - EXCEPT if they decide to change the Alice's bond scheme or close this event lol Actually no dude. I am a star player. It took me about five months to save from scratch to 20k. The first bond happened at that time. I hit 20k alchemy to 25k and bought bronze,silver,gold first run. Got a tidal siren and pit dragon, saved ever gem for next run. Each payout on the bottom three was about 4200 gems, so I made sure to save extra 300 per was week so the total bond rebates would add up to 36,000 gems. Then I did a one time $99 gem buy on a 50% day to get my 25k extra to push to 60k. Alchemy(50k) gives and extra 10k for about 72,000 that saved by the next run. And I've been spending here And there too. I will save all gems to bring my total this run to 100k(spent 8k on faction war for a prize rank), then next alchemy(100k) should yield 20k more(19-20% usually), then I'm home free until they stop doing the bond, however I think they will likely keep it, its too good for p2w players to not spend after they've blown $$$ on previous events. Like this run, which happens immediately after a back to back sky arena/faction war. Everyone spends gems, then they gotta spend more for the bond. Now. For a f2p player, it is unrealistic to ascend the heights of platinum and diamond bonds in a reasonable time frame. I agree with that. But for a star player. In a top5 battle guild(takes about one-two months to have cards to be in one), plus star bonus, and miscellaneous stuff(login, one or two maintenance,plus Facebook surveys/feedback) it is easy to save 20k gems in two months. Then, either do what I did with a gem purchase, OR, keep saving for two more months another 20k for second run and you're in line with what I did. Splendid explanation, clap clap clap ! Perhaps the best reason EVER for me to begin paying Star membership. Many thanks to you bro ;-)
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Feb 1, 2016 19:16:07 GMT
You get so used to not having so much rebirthing abilities that I'm not even sure how I would deploy p e or two revives, let alone having four! Geez dude. Same here, I don't think I will have enough space for 4 Revives in my tournament decks. You can never have enough revives Especially when your sac Anethema, twins and pit dragon keep gobbling your other cards.
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Feb 1, 2016 19:18:34 GMT
Actually no dude. I am a star player. It took me about five months to save from scratch to 20k. The first bond happened at that time. I hit 20k alchemy to 25k and bought bronze,silver,gold first run. Got a tidal siren and pit dragon, saved ever gem for next run. Each payout on the bottom three was about 4200 gems, so I made sure to save extra 300 per was week so the total bond rebates would add up to 36,000 gems. Then I did a one time $99 gem buy on a 50% day to get my 25k extra to push to 60k. Alchemy(50k) gives and extra 10k for about 72,000 that saved by the next run. And I've been spending here And there too. I will save all gems to bring my total this run to 100k(spent 8k on faction war for a prize rank), then next alchemy(100k) should yield 20k more(19-20% usually), then I'm home free until they stop doing the bond, however I think they will likely keep it, its too good for p2w players to not spend after they've blown $$$ on previous events. Like this run, which happens immediately after a back to back sky arena/faction war. Everyone spends gems, then they gotta spend more for the bond. Now. For a f2p player, it is unrealistic to ascend the heights of platinum and diamond bonds in a reasonable time frame. I agree with that. But for a star player. In a top5 battle guild(takes about one-two months to have cards to be in one), plus star bonus, and miscellaneous stuff(login, one or two maintenance,plus Facebook surveys/feedback) it is easy to save 20k gems in two months. Then, either do what I did with a gem purchase, OR, keep saving for two more months another 20k for second run and you're in line with what I did. Splendid explanation, clap clap clap ! Perhaps the best reason EVER for me to begin paying Star membership. Many thanks to you bro ;-) Star is defo worth the outlay. Within 2 months you would have 8000 gems to blow on limited human booster and perhaps drop a GM, all for $12. Or its a guaranteed 5* from Ultima chests, etc, etc.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Feb 1, 2016 19:24:57 GMT
Same here, I don't think I will have enough space for 4 Revives in my tournament decks. You can never have enough revives Especially when your sac Anethema, twins and pit dragon keep gobbling your other cards. I will be content with just one Revive. I was a Star player earlier but seeing IGG's policy I got fed up and gave up my Star status, I love the game but I don't support a company like IGG. If I had a different impression of the company I could probably have bought a 99$ mystic but I feel lucky I didn't spend.
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Post by swordfish on Feb 4, 2016 0:30:23 GMT
Hey guys, I'm looking for a confirmation on some Alice's Bonds questions. 1) Does the cost of the bonds increase with each successive one you buy? e.x. Does the 3k one increase to 4k the next time? 2) How often is the event? I believe it is every 2 months, yes? 3) I'm working on a calculator for Alice's Bonds; how do I post a google sheet to the forum? Or is it better to use an excel file?
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Feb 4, 2016 2:22:18 GMT
Hey guys, I'm looking for a confirmation on some Alice's Bonds questions. 1) Does the cost of the bonds increase with each successive one you buy? e.x. Does the 3k one increase to 4k the next time? 2) How often is the event? I believe it is every 2 months, yes? 3) I'm working on a calculator for Alice's Bonds; how do I post a google sheet to the forum? Or is it better to use an excel file? 1. No, cost is the same so far 2. Was a bit over two months in between 3. Just post the link to the forum, for the google document
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Feb 4, 2016 8:53:10 GMT
I so hope IGG do not pull Alice Bonds in the future.... i have a grand plan to be on free gems for life by the summer
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Post by swordfish on Feb 4, 2016 12:25:37 GMT
I so hope IGG do not pull Alice Bonds in the future.... i have a grand plan to be on free gems for life by the summer I fully expect IGG to nerf it; I'm f2p and I even think it is a bit op. They will probably end up removing or reducing the 100k bond to cap the amount of income people are getting. I do have a lot of respect for IGG for this event though. It probably benefits p2p players more as they get rewards faster, but besides initial money the only thing now standing between f2p and p2p is a 15k bond and a lot of patience. If IGG is smart, they won't nerf it too much because as long as they have this event, f2p players like myself will be holding their tongues about the imbalance. If they remove or over-nerf it though, f2p and p2p players are going to be in an outrage
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Feb 4, 2016 12:32:46 GMT
I guess it will come down to how much cash IGG make from the event. For the time being some people will be investing hard-earned cash into AB. Long-term it depends how many people make the most of it. I would imagine alot will get some gems from it but then go back to spending, this is good for the few who will use it as a long-term investment. If IGG make any big changes or cancel it they will have another sh1tstorm on their hands like the recent Oceanus nerf.... Fingers crossed here that it at least continues for this year :S
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Feb 4, 2016 12:41:43 GMT
People are thinking this is imbalanced on the basis that you get gems free, fact is, most p2p players spend what you look at as "a lot of gems" on nearly every event, so they keep buying. IGG is making more money off Alice Bond than you think.
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Feb 4, 2016 14:58:04 GMT
People are thinking this is imbalanced on the basis that you get gems free, fact is, most p2p players spend what you look at as "a lot of gems" on nearly every event, so they keep buying. IGG is making more money off Alice Bond than you think. I agree, and long live the whale-wallets, after all, their contribution keeps the servers running and the IGG Dev's paid If i can just get to diamond bond, from what i have already invested, i will be a very happy soul
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Post by swordfish on Feb 4, 2016 15:03:32 GMT
Oh, I'm sure they are making a killing. I'm just thinking long-term about 8 months from now when even f2p could be getting a bimonthly income of over 75k gems. I don't expect any nerfing for at least 4 months, but I have no idea what IGG will do once the gems start rolling in for people. I think we are safe for a while though.
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Post by rbwabd on Feb 4, 2016 18:22:34 GMT
IGG doesn't need to cancel AB officially ever. They can just let gaps between runs stretch ever longer. sorta like the 2 months between meld events last time. Or the last time since we had chamber shard event.
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Feb 5, 2016 11:12:47 GMT
IGG are quite crafty at making people part with their gems. You have to have the willpower of a saint to not "fall" into the gem spending trap. Take today, x2 mine ore and x2 materials, both on the same bleedin day, oh and the new lost relics thing. They are really pushing for you to buy energy of late, and a little 20/40/etc gems here and there will soon mount up.
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Post by swordfish on Feb 9, 2016 0:57:38 GMT
Hey guys, I polished up my Alice's Bond calculator and am ready to share it. Note that it does not account for alchemy bonuses. Please look over it and make sure I didn't make any mistakes. Also, I love playing with spreadsheets so let me know if you want me to run any data for you.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Feb 9, 2016 3:15:14 GMT
Hey guys, I polished up my Alice's Bond calculator and am ready to share it. Note that it does not account for alchemy bonuses. Please look over it and make sure I didn't make any mistakes. Also, I love playing with spreadsheets so let me know if you want me to run any data for you. That's actually really cool, great job! I'm wondering if it's possible to factor in Alchemy- that may be tough, I'm not sure. If you could create an option to pick which level of Alchemy you're up to, that's very relevant to the saving- 50k alchemy is a full 10k extra, which could speed up your progress exponentially. Will definitely play around with this to decide when the bonds roll around whether or not to purchase a handful of gems to push through a boundary, thanks!
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Post by swordfish on Feb 9, 2016 5:34:34 GMT
Yeah, that is another level of complexity. I think I figured out a way to do it though. I'm busy with college so I don't have enough time to work on it as I would like. I'll try and modify it in the next couple of days with an alchemy option. I may also create a thread for this under the Google docs heading. If this link stops working, go there to view it.I also hope to add more calculators in the near future so keep yourself updated on the Google docs section.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Feb 9, 2016 5:39:01 GMT
Look forward to it. I plan on calculating how I can get to 50/15/7/3 within 2 bonds, this will definitely be a helpful tool!
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Feb 9, 2016 13:53:05 GMT
Good work Swordfish!! I had already done a spreadsheet for my own AB journey(nowhere as good as yours), so its great to have one for the rest of the community
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Post by swordfish on Feb 9, 2016 16:15:14 GMT
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Post by Karlostto✪NFS on Feb 9, 2016 17:41:34 GMT
Thanks buddy I will definitely take a look at this later
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Post by tanisomsford on Feb 11, 2016 15:59:09 GMT
Does it make a difference that one can buy the diamond with bottom three At one point and forego platinum at around 100k gems?
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Feb 11, 2016 16:04:44 GMT
Does it make a difference that one can buy the diamond with bottom three At one point and forego platinum at around 100k gems? Always better to go highest bond possible.. Diamond gives 50k profit for 100k spent Bronze to platinum gives 34.8k profit for 75k spent. If you have the 100k i would go for the better return of the platinum.
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Post by tanisomsford on Feb 11, 2016 16:08:22 GMT
Does it make a difference that one can buy the diamond with bottom three At one point and forego platinum at around 100k gems? Always better to go highest bond possible.. Diamond gives 50k profit for 100k spent Bronze to platinum gives 34.8k profit for 75k spent. If you have the 100k i would go for the better return of the platinum. Lol! Sorry,to make it clear, does it make a difference to the spreadsheet? I was having a hard time following the directions of the calculations and didnt see a spot for the 125k purchase
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Feb 11, 2016 16:24:49 GMT
Ah right
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Post by swordfish on Feb 16, 2016 22:25:03 GMT
I think I understand your question. The calculator automatically purchases the most expensive bond possible and as many as possible, no questions asked. If you want to not spend all your money on the bonds (Say you have 80k, and only buy the first 3 bonds), the calculator will assume you want to spend that money. Therefore, enter in a spending amount that will disqualify you from purchasing that high-value bond.
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Post by tanisomsford on Feb 27, 2016 5:53:43 GMT
Small bump on this thread.
We are in week 5 and going to get the 6th of 8 rebates this week.
Anyone out there on a solid saving regiment still or on track to their goals? Would love to hear them.
Also, for anyone that frequents the Facebook page, is there any indication the bond is going away?
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Post by vagou on Feb 27, 2016 11:05:44 GMT
Yep, now sitting on 97K gems, 3 more rebates of 23K are coming so I will have enough to buy all chests next time and about an extra 20K to spend on events in the coming 6 weeks.
If Alice continues, the 3rd round should come on April 9th.
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Post by tanisomsford on Feb 27, 2016 18:54:40 GMT
Yep, now sitting on 97K gems, 3 more rebates of 23K are coming so I will have enough to buy all chests next time and about an extra 20K to spend on events in the coming 6 weeks. If Alice continues, the 3rd round should come on April 9th. Dude that's awesome! I will finish rebates at 105,000 and get alchemy for 125k. I spent some gems I shouldn't have, otherwise I might have managed 140-145, which may have maxed out this next run. Either way, if I'm doing 125 or 150 in chests I'm good to spend going forward. Good chance us early adopters will have a few bond rounds before this saving hoard catches on. Man, good thing for battle guilds and sky arena. I'd be missing 100k this time around and have to consider...gulp...another gem purchase. Ouch
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Post by vagou on Feb 28, 2016 6:58:29 GMT
For the 2nd round I was also sitting on 125K which is enough to buy all chests except the one at 50K. It's still a very good deal as you make a profit of 60K gems. If you save from now on you can still earn 6K+ with daily login bonuses, guild wars, and star, then I recommend making a last purchase to reach 144K which is enough to buy them all. Then you live on interest
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