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Post by dhinstructables on May 25, 2016 14:24:43 GMT
Ok, so after getting a Mythril Drone first (highly recommend) from the mine, I have been saving ore for a 5* Hero.
I was leaning towards going for Armaggedon or Blademaster first. My reasoning was simple; since I was already getting shards from Trials and Gauntlet, I could get those Heroes a lot quicker and start using them sooner. I am pure F2P (not even Star), so I'm only doing the gem mine when I can save enough gems up.
I currently have 38k in ore and the following 5* Hero Shards (Only Hydra as my current 5* Heroes):
Armaggedon- 51 Blademaster - 36 Oceanus - 21 Judgment - 54 Captivator - 19 Warlock - 9
Arena - Top Rank: 13, Current Rank: 85 (RL caused me to drop) Trials - Rush: 75, Highest: 91 Tourney - Average 4000 - 5500 I included the Tournament Heroes only to provide perspective on how close I am to obtaining one of them.
So here are my questions:
- First off, to clarify I'm not just looking for Vile Songstress>Blade>Arma; I'm looking for 91 days w/ Arma vs. 67 days w/ Blade vs 1 day w/ Vile Songstress
- Do I use my ore to get Armaggedon now?
- Do I save them for Blademaster to get in about 24 days?
- Do I save them for Spirit Arbiter or Vile Songstress in about 90 days?
I know that I have gotten 51 Arma shards for "free" and would eventually be able to obtain Arma w/o using any ore, but what are 3 months of having a 5* Hero worth? Or what about 2 months (Blade vs. Arma)? In another way, what do you think I could reasonably expect to accomplish by getting Arma/Blade sooner rather than waiting for a better hero (Trials 100+, Tourney 2000 or better)?
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Post by SquagglyCat on May 25, 2016 14:46:22 GMT
I would probably wait for vile songstress or spirit arbiter. Armageddon is a good 5* hero, but with that much ore saved up, I'd continue to be patient. To answer your question, an all mortii deck with Armageddon should get you top 10 in your arena, assuming you have all the basic mortii melds. (Harbinger recycle/disposal, blah blah)
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 15:43:15 GMT
I would get Armageddon. He is a beast on explorers maps and can get you all the way through to the end of map 15. Also very decent for tourney apart from maybe top 50.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 25, 2016 16:14:15 GMT
One only has to look at my main deck to find out how much I like Arma lol.
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Post by Absoul on May 25, 2016 17:58:54 GMT
Get Oceanus, Spirit arbiter or Vile Songstress.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 25, 2016 18:06:15 GMT
Get Oceanus, Spirit arbiter or Vile Songstress. Do you like your VS? How well does she perform?
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Post by Absoul on May 25, 2016 18:09:04 GMT
Get Oceanus, Spirit arbiter or Vile Songstress. Do you like your VS? How well does she perform? She's only level 2 right now but better at lower level than most other heroes. At level 4 she should be really good.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 25, 2016 18:10:49 GMT
Do you like your VS? How well does she perform? She's only level 2 right now but better at lower level than most other heroes. At level 4 she should be really good. I see. Maybe I should hurry up and farm mine a bit faster ^~^
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 18:55:39 GMT
Get Oceanus, Spirit arbiter or Vile Songstress. He's f2p with no gems. I still think Arma is the better choice for him. The ore mall heroes (apart from arma) all need level 5+ and that costs alot of gems or alot of time for f2p.
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Post by Absoul on May 25, 2016 19:01:11 GMT
Get Oceanus, Spirit arbiter or Vile Songstress. He's f2p with no gems. I still think Arma is the better choice for him. The ore mall heroes (apart from arma) all need level 5+ and that costs alot of gems or alot of time for f2p. Better to work long term on a top tier hero than getting a mediocre hero fast.
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Post by komainu on May 25, 2016 20:12:58 GMT
I am in the same boat as you.. got my drone and soon getting a 5 star other than hydra..
Looking at the stats and the usefullness ratio I'd say:
If your f2p arma or oceanus, because you'll be able to compensate the creatures you lack by cloning them. Arma is better for manual play and oceanus is better if you have 2 horney beasts with rec. and prefer to auto play most.
SA are better for paying players that already have a good deck with alot of field control..
Vile is a bit more between the two choices as it doesn't offer cloning, but it does lockdown cards offering an alternative form of field control.
Alchemist and Blademaster are inferior imo, because their more situational and require a specfic deck to be good.
I myself have spend some money and have a strong field control deck with 2x revive, 2x recycle and retreat qt, alice and so.. So I am more likely to go for SA/Vile.. But mostly looking forward to captivatior from tournament atm :3
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 25, 2016 20:43:49 GMT
With VS now not all ore heroes need to be high level.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 25, 2016 20:49:53 GMT
That's what I was thinking. From what I've heard, she's good straight out of the box.
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Post by icezaius on May 25, 2016 21:00:35 GMT
I would really like to hear an opinion on Alchemist WITH a deck built for her. All anyone ever says is "she's good, but you've gotta have a deck for her." So with that deck, how does she compare to the other heroes?
I personally think Armageddon is better than Oceanus cause you remove creatures from play with him. Also, you can often force Oceanus to clone what you want him to, so it doesn't hurt you as badly.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 25, 2016 21:03:31 GMT
Ask Gallows Dodger about Alchemist lol. He mains her.
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Post by icezaius on May 25, 2016 21:30:54 GMT
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Post by nowar on May 26, 2016 3:12:42 GMT
Ok, so after getting a Mythril Drone first (highly recommend) from the mine, I have been saving ore for a 5* Hero.
I was leaning towards going for Armaggedon or Blademaster first. My reasoning was simple; since I was already getting shards from Trials and Gauntlet, I could get those Heroes a lot quicker and start using them sooner. I am pure F2P (not even Star), so I'm only doing the gem mine when I can save enough gems up...
Hi dhinstructables, Can I know how did you manage to get 5* hero shards from trials? Nowadays I'm rushing to level 55, and I only gel 900++ credits and 3* hero shards. Do you get those shards while rushing everyday or do you need to complete battles?
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Post by thundergod on May 26, 2016 4:13:04 GMT
Oceanus or Vile Songstress if you are limited in gems. Spirit Arbiter is good if you are extremely patient(Level 7+).
Armageddon is a waste of ore in the long run.
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Post by nohmou on May 26, 2016 6:41:11 GMT
Hi dhinstructables, Can I know how did you manage to get 5* hero shards from trials? Nowadays I'm rushing to level 55, and I only gel 900++ credits and 3* hero shards. Do you get those shards while rushing everyday or do you need to complete battles? You can get 5* hero shards from rushing or from the chests after every 5 battles. However, they only drop above a certain stage. I know for certain they drop at 80+, and they might drop a bit lower. I think I recall getting a shard from 75 once, but either way, the further you get, the more likely it happens. Once you clear 100/110 for the first time, you start at stage 85/90 I believe, which helps greatly with your chances to get 5* shards.
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Post by Egik on May 26, 2016 7:53:43 GMT
I'm pure f2p My seggestion like everyone said oceanus vile and arbiter Besides you dont want to waste your glory points
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Post by nebiros✪NFS on May 26, 2016 11:06:52 GMT
I would really like to hear an opinion on Alchemist WITH a deck built for her. All anyone ever says is "she's good, but you've gotta have a deck for her." So with that deck, how does she compare to the other heroes? I personally think Armageddon is better than Oceanus cause you remove creatures from play with him. Also, you can often force Oceanus to clone what you want him to, so it doesn't hurt you as badly. I currently have alchemist at lev 3 (3 shards short of lev 4) and use it as my main hero. You have to be well aware of that alchemist only performs well as an attackning hero if you are not a heavy spender. Using it as tourney deck on defense is quite tricky. A few comments on this hero is in place as people tend to oversee her potential: 1. Melt armor stacks, e.g if you apply it 2 times its gonna to 2x damage and 2x explode damage. My level 3 alchemist thus do 400 damage on trigger and 250 damage in death. Two layers means 400x2 + 250x2 to all creatures on death. This might seem small but once you clear 5 creatures on one turn you sorta of realise how good the potential is. Remember that the most used cards do have immunity on them, hence you clear most revive creatures quite effectively with melt armor. 2. You need rage generation of course, I typically use 2 RQTs which works well enough. A 5star initial rage rune is also a nice addition 3. Don't go all out on AOE magic damage, if you enemy throws in a Drone when you are smoked. I use a mixture between 2 fatigue 8 HBs (with lethargy runes) and blossoms + inc8 flame brave with high level fire runes, those four cards are my cornerstones for dishing out damage. I sometimes clear 8 cards in one round if I get good placement. By this setup either creatures get hit for high magic damage (no immunity) or chance for permanent lockdown (lethargy, just problems against warlocks) or they get melt armor damage which spreads damage quickly to the other cards. Just to state the obvious perfect scenario: Lets say all my melt armor trigger cards are out and melt armor has been applied once to a FA/Immunity enemy card: one round of attack from these 4 trigger cards would generate: 400 (1st HB) + 400 (2nd HB) + 400 (Blossoms enhance magic also triggers melt) + 400 (blossoms pyre) + 400 (meteor FB) + 400 (blaze FB) + 400 (inc8 HB) = 2800 damage. Not many cards to sustain that amount of damage. Now imagine 2 layers of melt armor.
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Post by icezaius on May 26, 2016 11:33:01 GMT
I would really like to hear an opinion on Alchemist WITH a deck built for her. All anyone ever says is "she's good, but you've gotta have a deck for her." So with that deck, how does she compare to the other heroes? I personally think Armageddon is better than Oceanus cause you remove creatures from play with him. Also, you can often force Oceanus to clone what you want him to, so it doesn't hurt you as badly. I currently have alchemist at lev 3 (3 shards short of lev 4) and use it as my main hero. You have to be well aware of that alchemist only performs well as an attackning hero if you are not a heavy spender. Using it as tourney deck on defense is quite tricky. A few comments on this hero is in place as people tend to oversee her potential: 1. Melt armor stacks, e.g if you apply it 2 times its gonna to 2x damage and 2x explode damage. My level 3 alchemist thus do 400 damage on trigger and 250 damage in death. Two layers means 400x2 + 250x2 to all creatures on death. This might seem small but once you clear 5 creatures on one turn you sorta of realise how good the potential is. Remember that the most used cards do have immunity on them, hence you clear most revive creatures quite effectively with melt armor. 2. You need rage generation of course, I typically use 2 RQTs which works well enough. A 5star initial rage rune is also a nice addition 3. Don't go all out on AOE magic damage, if you enemy throws in a Drone when you are smoked. I use a mixture between 2 fatigue 8 HBs (with lethargy runes) and blossoms + inc8 flame brave with high level fire runes, those four cards are my cornerstones for dishing out damage. I sometimes clear 8 cards in one round if I get good placement. By this setup either creatures get hit for high magic damage (no immunity) or chance for permanent lockdown (lethargy, just problems against warlocks) or they get melt armor damage which spreads damage quickly to the other cards. Just to state the obvious perfect scenario: Lets say all my melt armor trigger cards are out and melt armor has been applied once to a FA/Immunity enemy card: one round of attack from these 4 trigger cards would generate: 400 (1st HB) + 400 (2nd HB) + 400 (Blossoms enhance magic also triggers melt) + 400 (blossoms pyre) + 400 (meteor FB) + 400 (blaze FB) + 400 (inc8 HB) = 2800 damage. Not many cards to sustain that amount of damage. Now imagine 2 layers of melt armor. thanks a lot for the info. I've come up with a few cards I expect would fit perfectly with her. I've got a thors rage paragon, a picking off 9 quetz, incinerate 8 FB, seals phoenix. I've got a sorcery rune @ lvl 6 also. I've got plenty of good support cards to go with it as well, just severely lacking in rqt. Only ever had 1 retreat card to meld. Hopefully by the time I get Alchemist (75 shards worth of ore now), I've faend another archdeva to meld. I think I'm pretty well sold on her. My one question, what do mean about her being poor on defense in tournament? I'm not sure I understand what the difference is. Or do you just mean someone can run their warlock plus drone deck against you and make her less effective?
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Post by nebiros✪NFS on May 26, 2016 11:54:09 GMT
I currently have alchemist at lev 3 (3 shards short of lev 4) and use it as my main hero. You have to be well aware of that alchemist only performs well as an attackning hero if you are not a heavy spender. Using it as tourney deck on defense is quite tricky. A few comments on this hero is in place as people tend to oversee her potential: 1. Melt armor stacks, e.g if you apply it 2 times its gonna to 2x damage and 2x explode damage. My level 3 alchemist thus do 400 damage on trigger and 250 damage in death. Two layers means 400x2 + 250x2 to all creatures on death. This might seem small but once you clear 5 creatures on one turn you sorta of realise how good the potential is. Remember that the most used cards do have immunity on them, hence you clear most revive creatures quite effectively with melt armor. 2. You need rage generation of course, I typically use 2 RQTs which works well enough. A 5star initial rage rune is also a nice addition 3. Don't go all out on AOE magic damage, if you enemy throws in a Drone when you are smoked. I use a mixture between 2 fatigue 8 HBs (with lethargy runes) and blossoms + inc8 flame brave with high level fire runes, those four cards are my cornerstones for dishing out damage. I sometimes clear 8 cards in one round if I get good placement. By this setup either creatures get hit for high magic damage (no immunity) or chance for permanent lockdown (lethargy, just problems against warlocks) or they get melt armor damage which spreads damage quickly to the other cards. Just to state the obvious perfect scenario: Lets say all my melt armor trigger cards are out and melt armor has been applied once to a FA/Immunity enemy card: one round of attack from these 4 trigger cards would generate: 400 (1st HB) + 400 (2nd HB) + 400 (Blossoms enhance magic also triggers melt) + 400 (blossoms pyre) + 400 (meteor FB) + 400 (blaze FB) + 400 (inc8 HB) = 2800 damage. Not many cards to sustain that amount of damage. Now imagine 2 layers of melt armor. thanks a lot for the info. I've come up with a few cards I expect would fit perfectly with her. I've got a thors rage paragon, a picking off 9 quetz, incinerate 8 FB, seals phoenix. I've got a sorcery rune @ lvl 6 also. I've got plenty of good support cards to go with it as well, just severely lacking in rqt. Only ever had 1 retreat card to meld. Hopefully by the time I get Alchemist (75 shards worth of ore now), I've faend another archdeva to meld. I think I'm pretty well sold on her. My one question, what do mean about her being poor on defense in tournament? I'm not sure I understand what the difference is. Or do you just mean someone can run their warlock plus drone deck against you and make her less effective? That paragon will be nice (mine has flurry which also triggers melt armor), the quetz might be hard to incorporate, typically I want each card to fill at least two functions (e.g HB with fatigue 8 being both a trigger and a mass healer) alternatively possess a double (or triple in case of Inc8 FB) trigger. The seal phoenix might be nice but the rebirth and restoration skills don't really add much if enemy has paragon out. Currently I use the following setup: 2 Fatigue 8 HBs with (runes: healing, lethargy, dodge) 2 Rec1 HBs (healing, vitality) (dont have any revive which sucks) Inc8 FB (fire rune) Blossoms (vitality, proteon, fire) Paragon Killer Queen 2 RQT (vit+proteon runes) Remember that RQT also trigger melt armor if the retreat is ignored. Same goes for delay on paragon. My biggest upgrade would be a arcane knight or revive Abaddon. She is poor on defense as the enemy as you say may choose warlock with drone. My best targets are usually Oceanus. Best part is, you can use you semi good cards that does not fit in any other deck (e.g not dependant on supercards)
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Post by icezaius on May 26, 2016 13:40:51 GMT
Forgot to mention I've got a pyre 6 mystic as well. Thanks a ton for the info! I'm even more excited to get her now!
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Post by dhinstructables on May 26, 2016 13:52:10 GMT
Well.... not quite the responses I was really looking for.
My main issue that I am trying to tackle is not if VS or SA are worth more than Arma- I know that they are great heroes.
But what if you think about 3 months from now - what would I be able to accomplish if I get Arma now vs. saving the ore.
For example, if I grab Arma today and it helps me move up 1000 spots in Tourney (from 4500 to 3500), then we are talking about 45,000 extra Tourney Credits over those 90 days. Or if Arma is able to help me go from Lvl 90 in Trials to Lvl 110 in Trials, how many 4* & 5* Hero Shards could I get over 90 days (maybe 60+ 4*'s and 30+ 5*'s)?
So that is more of my dilemma here. Is an extra 45k Tourney Credits, 90+ 4* or better Hero Shards worth the trade-off of getting Arma now and waiting longer to get VS or SA?
So which would you choose:
- Armaggeddon, 45,000 Tourney Credits, plus additional 60+ 4* hero Shards & 30+ 5* Hero Shards
- Blademaster, 12,000 Tourney Credits, plus additional 18+ 4* hero Shards & 6+ 5* Hero Shards
- Vile Songstress
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Post by StackMasta on May 26, 2016 14:23:15 GMT
Well.... not quite the responses I was really looking for.
My main issue that I am trying to tackle is not if VS or SA are worth more than Arma- I know that they are great heroes.
But what if you think about 3 months from now - what would I be able to accomplish if I get Arma now vs. saving the ore.
For example, if I grab Arma today and it helps me move up 1000 spots in Tourney (from 4500 to 3500), then we are talking about 45,000 extra Tourney Credits over those 90 days. Or if Arma is able to help me go from Lvl 90 in Trials to Lvl 110 in Trials, how many 4* & 5* Hero Shards could I get over 90 days (maybe 60+ 4*'s and 30+ 5*'s)?
So that is more of my dilemma here. Is an extra 45k Tourney Credits, 90+ 4* or better Hero Shards worth the trade-off of getting Arma now and waiting longer to get VS or SA?
So which would you choose:
- Armaggeddon, 45,000 Tourney Credits, plus additional 60+ 4* hero Shards & 30+ 5* Hero Shards
- Blademaster, 12,000 Tourney Credits, plus additional 18+ 4* hero Shards & 6+ 5* Hero Shards
- Vile Songstress
I've played against arma decks and i think the hero really isnt so good. Ive played games where there hero doesn't activate all game and i just laugh what a crappy hero. All you need is a few immunity/stoneskin cards. If they do kill any of your cards during there turn, it just gets recycled back next turn before there hero activates. Only way to make it work is with disposal/instakill cards which get countered by immunity stoneskin easily. Plus your taking a risk to use a card that might help you climb, no guarantee. You think its going to help you get those 5* shards faster but the way i see it, youre putting yourself more behind by using all that ore to get that card.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on May 26, 2016 15:29:45 GMT
The fastest way of growing stronger is definitely Oceanus. He will definitely help you progress faster in tournament, and after that the next hero is totally up to you. And if you have time then I would say go for VS.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 26, 2016 15:35:26 GMT
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Post by icezaius on May 26, 2016 15:41:14 GMT
One big factor with Armageddon is if you've got a Paragon and or KQ? Both are excellent with Armageddon, and Paragon is kinda of a must with him. With you being in the 4000s in tourney, I would expect you could definitely move up big time with Armageddon. I would go for it, because he's a good hero and will be good for you for a long time. I have to think people saying he's not very good are more top tier players where everyone has multiple revives melded and crazy super decks. Mid 4k's tourney you could win about every battle with him with a good disposal instakill deck and a Paragon.
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Post by StackMasta on May 26, 2016 16:16:12 GMT
One big factor with Armageddon is if you've got a Paragon and or KQ? Both are excellent with Armageddon, and Paragon is kinda of a must with him. With you being in the 4000s in tourney, I would expect you could definitely move up big time with Armageddon. I would go for it, because he's a good hero and will be good for you for a long time. I have to think people saying he's not very good are more top tier players where everyone has multiple revives melded and crazy super decks. Mid 4k's tourney you could win about every battle with him with a good disposal instakill deck and a Paragon. I agree with you that you'll definitely need paragon for it to work, i still think its a little to situational though. My experience comes from arena, im only Lv68 and stay ranked from 2-10. My deck consists of 3* and 4* melds with 2 5* cards and i face people running all 5* cards in there deck. As for the tourney, im all the way at the bottom haha but thats only because i need a solid second deck. Only thing holding me back is farming another 1-2 recycles for that deck as my main deck doesnt lose in the tourney where im at now.
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