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Post by ℜ★Kaiba on Jul 7, 2016 13:27:39 GMT
Ok, good to know that. That is a very nice boost and would be awesome to have.... but what is more realistic for a F2P player:
- 6x Lv3 Blue equipment (up to 2.5% of Attribute + chance @ 2nd Attribute) AND have a few Bonus Skills
or - 1x Lv5 Gold equipment with no Bonus Skills (some estimates are 256 days to build)
I'm not saying that F2P should build Blue equipment and then stop Smelting mats... I'm just saying that it may be more realistic to build lesser equipment and aim for the Bonus Skills. If a piece of equipment gets a nice Bonus Skill, go for a different equipment path.
NOTE: whales who have the gems/money should freely ignore all of this advice and go straight for Lv5 Gold equipment with amazing Bonus Skills
The most important thing for f2p players is to use the free lucky flip refresh every day. You do stand a chance at picking up a blue/purple/gold material with your free go. For info, i have got 2 gold materials on the 5 gem attempt. Gezz, i sound like Kaiba Damn, you copying my whale ways
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Post by ℜ★Kaiba on Jul 7, 2016 13:28:51 GMT
True! The free flip can give you some nice stuff, but it will still be a horrid grind. Thats life of a f2p tbh. Grind, grind and more grinding.
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Jul 7, 2016 13:42:10 GMT
The most important thing for f2p players is to use the free lucky flip refresh every day. You do stand a chance at picking up a blue/purple/gold material with your free go. For info, i have got 2 gold materials on the 5 gem attempt. Gezz, i sound like Kaiba Damn, you copying my whale ways Lol, im not even a Dolphin, perhaps a Tuna??
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Post by ℜ★Kaiba on Jul 7, 2016 13:44:14 GMT
Damn, you copying my whale ways Lol, im not even a Dolphin, perhaps a Tuna?? Nah more like a goldfish
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Post by japoon on Jul 7, 2016 13:46:26 GMT
You can create a GOD-LIKE WEAPON with 100,000 gems only.
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Jul 7, 2016 13:47:25 GMT
Lol, im not even a Dolphin, perhaps a Tuna?? Nah more like a goldfish
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Jul 7, 2016 13:50:02 GMT
You can create a GOD-LIKE WEAPON with 100,000 gems only. With a bit of luck you can abuse the lucky flip to create a gold lvl 5 item for about 8k gems. Still not f2p friendly, but for the Alice Bond crowd very doable.
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Post by ℜ★Kaiba on Jul 7, 2016 13:53:13 GMT
You can create a GOD-LIKE WEAPON with 100,000 gems only. Maybe dont aim for GOD-LIKE WEAPON then . I defo dont have that amount gems to spend on 1 weapon
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Post by dhinstructables on Jul 7, 2016 13:53:28 GMT
I think one of the important for all the forum to keep in mind is... this system is still very new and a lot of us on the forum are only trying to figure it out as best we can without real experience or hindsight.
If you go back through some of the old threads/posts, it's funny to see what recommendations even great players were making. Not b/c it was them being stupid; it was just a different game back then and as new features came out players tried to figure them out.
My previous opinions may also appear that way in 6 months time. I'm just trying to figure out what may be worth aiming at.
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Post by ℜ★Kaiba on Jul 7, 2016 13:56:49 GMT
I think one of the important for all the forum to keep in mind is... this system is still very new and a lot of us on the forum are only trying to figure it out as best we can without real experience or hindsight. If you go back through some of the old threads/posts, it's funny to see what recommendations even great players were making. Not b/c it was them being stupid; it was just a different game back then and as new features came out players tried to figure them out. My previous opinions may also appear that way in 6 months time. I'm just trying to figure out what may be worth aiming at. Problem is, my recommendations were or will ever be good . Im still a noob
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Post by dhinstructables on Jul 7, 2016 13:58:18 GMT
You can create a GOD-LIKE WEAPON with 100,000 gems only. With a bit of luck you can abuse the lucky flip to create a gold lvl 5 item for about 8k gems. Still not f2p friendly, but for the Alice Bond crowd very doable. And this gets to the heart of my dilemma....
What is a better use of those gems: Lv5 Gold equipment or Bonus Skills?
Additionally, how much should an AB player spend on this (daily/monthly)? Would it be better to grind a while and only spend 10-15 gems per day?
If going for the Bonus Skills, is it better to conserve the Sparks with Green equipment only or YOLO onto Gold? How rare will Sparks be?
These are difficult questions to answer now that will be very easy questions in 6 months time.
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Post by ℜ★Kaiba on Jul 7, 2016 14:03:06 GMT
With a bit of luck you can abuse the lucky flip to create a gold lvl 5 item for about 8k gems. Still not f2p friendly, but for the Alice Bond crowd very doable. And this gets to the heart of my dilemma....
What is a better use of those gems: Lv5 Gold equipment or Bonus Skills?
Additionally, how much should an AB player spend on this (daily/monthly)? Would it be better to grind a while and only spend 10-15 gems per day?
If going for the Bonus Skills, is it better to conserve the Sparks with Green equipment only or YOLO onto Gold? How rare will Sparks be?
These are difficult questions to answer now that will be very easy questions in 6 months time.
I think if you spend 5gems per day isnt too bad. Flip the first for free then flip another for 5gems. Repeat process next day.
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Jul 7, 2016 14:05:30 GMT
Well i have refreshed alot over 5k worth of gems and i have 1 x spark. I think it is safe to say they are rare. Im AB, so i will be looking at making a non-spark gold lvl 5 item every AB event. In the meantime i will be smelting every day towards another gold material, and using my free flip plus 30 gold for an extra 3 materials a day.
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Post by primechecker on Jul 7, 2016 14:11:35 GMT
what I am actually really intersted in is what the attributes actually are doing. Testing a bit around but only figured out evasion so far, which is obviously a Dodge and is also added as percentage to the origin dodge. So if a creature has 70% dodge and you have 30% Evasion. It will dodge all the time. But Bullseye still working.
What gives me some problems to understand is critical rate. I tested with normal attack and battleblow and both seem to have no effect at all.
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Post by ℜ★Kaiba on Jul 7, 2016 14:46:28 GMT
what I am actually really intersted in is what the attributes actually are doing. Testing a bit around but only figured out evasion so far, which is obviously a Dodge and is also added as percentage to the origin dodge. So if a creature has 70% dodge and you have 30% Evasion. It will dodge all the time. But Bullseye still working. What gives me some problems to understand is critical rate. I tested with normal attack and battleblow and both seem to have no effect at all. Maybe your critical rate isnt high enough and it didnt proc?
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Post by dhinstructables on Jul 7, 2016 14:49:18 GMT
Well i have refreshed alot over 5k worth of gems and i have 1 x spark. I think it is safe to say they are rare. Im AB, so i will be looking at making a non-spark gold lvl 5 item every AB event. In the meantime i will be smelting every day towards another gold material, and using my free flip plus 30 gold for an extra 3 materials a day. I have 1x Spark as well and haven't spent more than about 10 gems (I was very lucky). But I did have a Free Shuffle of the 9 tiles that had 2x sparks on it and I got one of them for free.
I think the key to getting Sparks will be appropriate use of Gems. So this might be:
- Using gems always for the extra flip of 5 gems (most cost effective flip)
- If Spark(s) are available as one of the 9 tiles, use 4-5 more flips (75-155 gems); this will give 55%-67% chance of getting 1x Spark when only 1x is available; odds go up of getting 1x with multiple available
- If Sparks are rare, this may lead to Bonus Skills mainly being on Green Equipment and/or a long wait time until players get enough Sparks to raise odds to reasonable level (Say70%+)
It will be interesting to see how many 2nd Attributes/Bonus Skills get out there. The other thing is once most of the top players have Lv5 Gold Equipment, the only big differences will come from the 2nd Attributes/Bonus Skills.
I could see Lv5 Gold Equipment becoming as common as Immunity 9 melds Unmelded Zodiacs in the Top Tourney players; it's the Melded ones that start to be OP
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Post by ℜ★Kaiba on Jul 7, 2016 14:53:46 GMT
Well i have refreshed alot over 5k worth of gems and i have 1 x spark. I think it is safe to say they are rare. Im AB, so i will be looking at making a non-spark gold lvl 5 item every AB event. In the meantime i will be smelting every day towards another gold material, and using my free flip plus 30 gold for an extra 3 materials a day. I have 1x Spark as well and haven't spent more than about 10 gems (I was very lucky). But I did have a Free Shuffle of the 9 tiles that had 2x sparks on it and I got one of them for free.
I think the key to getting Sparks will be appropriate use of Gems. So this might be:
- Using gems always for the extra flip of 5 gems (most cost effective flip)
- If Spark(s) are available as one of the 9 tiles, use 4-5 more flips (75-155 gems); this will give 55%-67% chance of getting 1x Spark when only 1x is available; odds go up of getting 1x with multiple available
- If Sparks are rare, this may lead to Bonus Skills mainly being on Green Equipment and/or a long wait time until players get enough Sparks to raise odds to reasonable level (Say70%+)
It will be interesting to see how many 2nd Attributes/Bonus Skills get out there. The other thing is once most of the top players have Lv5 Gold Equipment, the only big differences will come from the 2nd Attributes/Bonus Skills.
I could see Lv5 Gold Equipment becoming as common as Immunity 9 melds Unmelded Zodiacs in the Top Tourney players; it's the Melded ones that start to be OP
When i see a spark i go until 20gems, if i dont get it i move on.
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Post by primechecker on Jul 7, 2016 15:12:51 GMT
Usually I make 2 draws. If there are 2 oranges I go for 3 draws. That is the most efficient way of spending gems there. For my critical rate test I had 20%, but never got an increase of my normal attack. Then I tested with battleblow creature and got: 18 battleblow proc in comparison to 22 normal attacks. Best would be when igg can clarify what effects this attributes actually have. Here are some statistics I made at the beginning for Lucky Flip Draws:I used the method reset and draw 2 all the time, to make things more consistent.
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Post by drair on Jul 7, 2016 15:39:31 GMT
Do any of you know if you need a lvl4 gold equipment for making a lvl5 gold equipment .... Or If a lvl1 gold equipment will do?
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Jul 7, 2016 15:40:45 GMT
Do any of you know if you need a gold lvl4 equipment for making a lvl5 gold equipment .... Or Ida lvl1 gold equipment will do? You do not need to sacrifice any items to make lvl 3-5 items. Just use white materials to make a lvl 4 item to unlock the lvl 5.
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Post by drair on Jul 7, 2016 15:42:02 GMT
That I know .... I am talking about getting 100% guaranteed lvl5 gold equipment
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Post by drair on Jul 7, 2016 15:44:43 GMT
so what kind of equipment do I need to sacrifice? .... Gold lvl1 or gold lvl4?
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Post by dhinstructables on Jul 7, 2016 15:47:33 GMT
Usually I make 2 draws. If there are 2 oranges I go for 3 draws. That is the most efficient way of spending gems there. For my critical rate test I had 20%, but never got an increase of my normal attack. Then I tested with battleblow creature and got: 18 battleblow proc in comparison to 22 normal attacks. Best would be when igg can clarify what effects this attributes actually have. Good Luck ever getting that answer out of IGG.
Can anyone else confirm that the Sword (Critical Hit) only procs on Battleblow or does it work on all cards?
This would greatly reduce its usefulness if only BB benefits
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Post by japoon on Jul 7, 2016 16:22:51 GMT
I hold all the Lvl5 material and wait for more White Mouse Testing Result come out!
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Post by dhinstructables on Jul 7, 2016 16:34:43 GMT
I hold all the Lvl5 material and wait for more White Mouse Testing Result come out!
The Early Bird gets the worm, but the Second Mouse gets the cheese!
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Post by drair on Jul 7, 2016 16:48:31 GMT
well it seems impossible to get 100% guaranteed unless you can add above lvl4 equipment (but it say you need to add below lv5)
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Post by drair on Jul 7, 2016 17:12:39 GMT
no idea how to get 100% guaranteed .... Maybe it's not possible
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jul 7, 2016 17:14:26 GMT
So at higher levels you have two kinds of equipments right? One which can be made from smelt materials and another with some other rare materials. What's the max level of equipment?
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Post by dhinstructables on Jul 7, 2016 17:38:38 GMT
So at higher levels you have two kinds of equipments right? One which can be made from smelt materials and another with some other rare materials. What's the max level of equipment? The other material is supposed to come for events (FW, Sky Arena...) - but we don't know how rare it will be. Assuming typical IGG, they will make some of it easily available to all players (maybe White mats), but then make the Gold mats only available to top 5 players.
The max level is a Lv5 Gold Equipment, technically with a 2nd Attribute and Bonus Skill.
This seems to be a pipe-dream for most (even some whales) as Sparks (needed for the Bonus Skill) appear to be slightly rare at the moment and crafting 1x Lv5 Gold basic equipment (No 2nd Attribute, No Bonus Skill) seems to have ~18% to succeed.
So this new system seems to make players choose: do you want High Lvl equipment or do you want Bonus Skills? I'm sure a few lucky ones will get both (looking at ℜ★Kaiba )
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Post by xathrax on Jul 7, 2016 17:56:22 GMT
Hi all this is a result of spending 22k Gems Does skill potency also work on healing? Also evasion is really crazy. Would you care to share what you used to craft? All 5 orange materials and and an orange level 4 equipment I assume? How many of those are actually level 5?
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