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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jul 13, 2016 9:17:18 GMT
Equipment is doable as f2p with alice bond. If you refrain from spending for ~3 bonds you should be all set. a full set 5* equip easily 20-30k gems.... also the need for Aquarius on deck else very handicap....if they stop Alicebond...I will most likely call it a day It's game over for 70% players if AB is done with, I don't think IGG will dare challenge that. For the majority of us the game is only running on one thing, Alice Bond. If they remove that, only the whales will be left playing the game, and even the whales need small fish to survive. XD Some of the veteran F2Ps have sold their accounts recently due to this equipment update, without AB no one else will even buy accounts anymore.
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Jul 13, 2016 9:44:25 GMT
Equipment is doable as f2p with alice bond. If you refrain from spending for ~3 bonds you should be all set. a full set 5* equip easily 20-30k gems.... also the need for Aquarius on deck else very handicap....if they stop Alicebond...I will most likely call it a day Im with you on that one.... AB is the only highlight for me now on DH. If IGG stop it i will probably quit as well.
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Post by xathrax on Jul 13, 2016 10:13:46 GMT
Based on the Headings of the thread.. I find no discription or advantages of using RESISTANCE equipment.. Is it useless if the opponent doesnt have their counter parts.. Is critical resist a TRASH if the oppenent doesnt use CRITICAL RATE.. Is an umbrella trash when it's not raining?
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Post by bleblublabliblo on Jul 13, 2016 10:20:07 GMT
Based on the Headings of the thread.. I find no discription or advantages of using RESISTANCE equipment.. Is it useless if the opponent doesnt have their counter parts.. Is critical resist a TRASH if the oppenent doesnt use CRITICAL RATE.. Is an umbrella trash when it's not raining? The point is.. Its damn freaking useless...
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Post by xathrax on Jul 13, 2016 10:31:37 GMT
Is an umbrella trash when it's not raining? The point is.. Its damn freaking useless... That is a poor argument. Stoneskin is also useless if your opponent doesn't use retreat, instakill or disposal. I would assume that fairly soon any competitive deck will feature equipment and this will nost only include whales. For instance I am not a whale, but if I spent my AB gems I will be able to afford a full set of level 5 orange equipment.
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Post by bleblublabliblo on Jul 13, 2016 10:47:56 GMT
The point is.. Its damn freaking useless... That is a poor argument. Stoneskin is also useless if your opponent doesn't use retreat, instakill or disposal. I would assume that fairly soon any competitive deck will feature equipment and this will nost only include whales. For instance I am not a whale, but if I spent my AB gems I will be able to afford a full set of level 5 orange equipment. Let me make it clearer.. I dont think skill resistant is just a counter against skill potency instead and opposite form of enhancement.. If SP increase magic dmg, SR should reduce every magic DMG taken whether the opponent have SP or not.. I dont have the resources.. So somebody plizz clear it up..
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Post by sblip on Jul 13, 2016 10:58:46 GMT
We should just absolutely inundate IGG with Tickets asking 1 question per ticket about every single thing to do with equipment.
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Post by xathrax on Jul 13, 2016 11:54:53 GMT
That is a poor argument. Stoneskin is also useless if your opponent doesn't use retreat, instakill or disposal. I would assume that fairly soon any competitive deck will feature equipment and this will nost only include whales. For instance I am not a whale, but if I spent my AB gems I will be able to afford a full set of level 5 orange equipment. Let me make it clearer.. I dont think skill resistant is just a counter against skill potency instead and opposite form of enhancement.. If SP increase magic dmg, SR should reduce every magic DMG taken whether the opponent have SP or not.. I dont have the resources.. So somebody plizz clear it up.. Skill resistance reduces magic damage. It doesn't just counter skill potency. The only one that does nothing on it's own is critical resistance.
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Post by sblip on Jul 13, 2016 12:02:11 GMT
Interesting. Does it reduce magic damage by the straight up % number of the skill ? I have no way to test really, I have only 3.67% And most magic damage is variable Is it one roll to determine if it activates for all your creatures, or does each creature have to roll it individually? God if this is accurate will you update your super awesome guide to reflect this
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Post by xathrax on Jul 13, 2016 12:18:59 GMT
It's a flat decrease. So with a 10% equipment 100 damage becomes 90. I tested this on non variable magic damage.
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Post by sblip on Jul 13, 2016 12:20:58 GMT
That is frikking awesome.
Tested and confirmed myself. my 3% takes cloudburst from Flame Mage damage from 150 down to 144
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Post by xathrax on Jul 13, 2016 12:23:40 GMT
I would say that it's terrifying. I can already see whales with a 80% decrease. Did your Taurus just tickle me?
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Post by sblip on Jul 13, 2016 12:34:08 GMT
It will obviously be good for whales but will also be good for f2p who grind it out over the next 6 months.. It will also make it a LOT more expensive for new players trying to become whales, because it's another thing they would have to spend a lot of money on. Which is bad for them, but good for f2p players..
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Post by asgarth1980 on Jul 13, 2016 12:53:13 GMT
The equipment made my captivator downgraded... the opponents under sorrow are not hitting as the equipment making them evade almost 70% of time... fish man...
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Post by vagou on Jul 13, 2016 12:53:55 GMT
Ouch, it seems with that Hero kill is back on track thanks to Skill Potency. A full deck of that 3 star dark witch can inflict insane amount of damage - i've seen 32K per hit to a hero instead of the usual 1K...
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Post by asgarth1980 on Jul 13, 2016 12:55:10 GMT
It will obviously be good for whales but will also be good for f2p who grind it out over the next 6 months.. It will also make it a LOT more expensive for new players trying to become whales, because it's another thing they would have to spend a lot of money on. Which is bad for them, but good for f2p players.. I in aee the good part.... saw alot of movement from unknown. In top 100... with ridiculously simple critters.. guess the equipment is really helping alot ...
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Post by xathrax on Jul 13, 2016 13:03:11 GMT
I wonder how exactly does skill potency make it hit for such insane amounts? I mean it's just a minor % increase?
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Post by sblip on Jul 13, 2016 13:08:47 GMT
So skill resist reduces dmg from all magic dmg (what about direct dmg?), does critical resist only resist against critical rate or does it resist against other things as well? I swear i'm going to file ticket after ticket with IGG and make them answer all my questions.
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Jul 13, 2016 13:22:48 GMT
It will obviously be good for whales but will also be good for f2p who grind it out over the next 6 months.. It will also make it a LOT more expensive for new players trying to become whales, because it's another thing they would have to spend a lot of money on. Which is bad for them, but good for f2p players.. Thats a really good point, new players trying to get to Whaledom will have to spend a sh1t-ton of $ The poor loves
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Post by Icarus✪NFS on Jul 13, 2016 14:20:03 GMT
Even we old Dolphins aren't finding this a cheap endeavour
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Post by dhinstructables on Jul 13, 2016 14:49:33 GMT
The only nice thing to keep in mind about the Equipment system is that there are only 6 different "slots" to equip. Plus, while still helpful, a couple of the slots aren't that game-changing as others.
So although the "Blue" Whales are already full of good equipment, soon the "Killer" Whales will catch-up by filling all 6 of theirs (maybe a few weeks or month), then the Dolphins (1-2 months), then eventually the Gold Fish (F2P's) (6 months).
In 6 months time, the only ones that will be hurting are the new players joining in 3 months+.
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Post by sblip on Jul 13, 2016 15:26:07 GMT
God, a skill to add to the list: Muddle: Grants a chance to swap the wait time of your highest wait time Creature with your opponent's lowest wait time Creature.
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Jul 13, 2016 15:29:39 GMT
God, a skill to add to the list: Muddle: Grants a chance to swap the wait time of your highest wait time Creature with your opponent's lowest wait time Creature. So you only have wait times of 2 in your hand, your oppo only has wait times of 6.... not such a good deal
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Post by corvin on Jul 13, 2016 16:27:57 GMT
So skill resist reduces dmg from all magic dmg (what about direct dmg?), does critical resist only resist against critical rate or does it resist against other things as well? I swear i'm going to file ticket after ticket with IGG and make them answer all my questions. I saw octavius dealing 450 direct damage instead of ~900
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Post by sblip on Jul 13, 2016 16:51:26 GMT
So indeed one of the equipments is reducing Direct Damage. Could you determine if it was from Critical Resist or from Skill Resist?
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Post by Perch on Jul 13, 2016 19:18:05 GMT
So indeed one of the equipments is reducing Direct Damage. Could you determine if it was from Critical Resist or from Skill Resist? Skill resist.
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Post by sblip on Jul 13, 2016 20:51:59 GMT
Found Another thing: Skill Potency seems to ignore Magi Shield. During testing was doing 176 dmg to Swordmaster (My rate is 9.2%) In the game code the damage is probably calculated after Magi Shield decreases the initial damage.
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Post by sblip on Jul 13, 2016 23:25:57 GMT
Also Have found out 2 more things about Evasion (one of them is only a *maybe*, but the other is for sure) 1) When a creature that has Dodge "Evades" an attack, The attack never rolls against Dodge. So, if you have a Dodge Rune, it doesn't do it's damage. So Evasion gets checked before Dodge. (and it probably follows that all equipment skills get checked before creatures skills) This is a 100% I am sure of this. Have seen it many times in a row now. Unless I'm wrong. 2) It seems like when Evasion procs, It is either proc'ing once at the begining of the turn for every creature, or the RNG is messed up and it just does a lot of them. I have only 10%, but I have seen over and over again say .. 4 creatures in a row Evade attacks. The chance of rolling 10% 4 times in a row are astronomically low. This is a *maybe* Not 100% on this yet. Edit: Also, not sure if someone else has made this clear yet, but Evasion does NOT evade Bullseye.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Jul 13, 2016 23:35:22 GMT
Also Have found out 2 more things about Evasion (one of them is only a *maybe*, but the other is for sure) 1) When a creature that has Dodge "Evades" an attack, The attack never rolls against Dodge. So, if you have a Dodge Rune, it doesn't do it's damage. So Evasion gets checked before Dodge. (and it probably follows that all equipment skills get checked before creatures skills) This is a 100% I am sure of this. Have seen it many times in a row now. Unless I'm wrong. 2) It seems like when Evasion procs, It is either proc'ing once at the begining of the turn for every creature, or the RNG is messed up and it just does a lot of them. I have only 10%, but I have seen over and over again say .. 4 creatures in a row Evade attacks. The chance of rolling 10% 4 times in a row are astronomically low. This is a *maybe* Not 100% on this yet. the most obvious is evasive to me... a bloody 10% is like 60% of time dodging for opponents... I have seen playbacks that only my anathema hits for 2 full Rds... all hb,paragorn,taurus, mimir, all missed their basic attk ... this is too over whelming... critical hit never see much but skill potency only affects skills not basic attk so all skills like pick off, spells, should get a boost ...just not sure Oct or taurus so called skill gets a boost?
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