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Post by whitebears on Jul 28, 2016 18:08:02 GMT
Anyone else notice a lot of people are now using Blademaster as one of their 5 star heroes in the tournament? I'm curious as to why. Blademaster hasn't gotten weaker/stronger. Was it just underestimated this whole time, and people are now finding out how good it is, or a counter to some meta going on?
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Post by sblip on Jul 28, 2016 18:13:32 GMT
I think he became better when Creatures that can do insane damage (Taurus, Octavius), came out. Butcher is just going to wipe out a field after taking that kind of damage.
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Post by komainu on Jul 28, 2016 18:51:29 GMT
I got one from altar on one of my alts.. At lower level it's quite meh.. But facing monkeylord a couple of days ago with it.. it was quite a struggle.. when it proc'd it wiped my entire line up.. it is good if you got cards like taurus and octavius.. but you also need rage control.. It sadly doesn't have all the cool skills like VS has (like mass charm) which would do make him more competative..
He's a bit like alchemist.. They can be really amazing, but their a bit less balanced.
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Post by icezaius on Jul 28, 2016 19:48:18 GMT
I don't know that this is the case, but maybe people have just been waiting till their blademaster was levelled up a bit before using him over a different tourney hero
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Post by corvin on Jul 28, 2016 21:06:22 GMT
I think it's because of equipment. His ult deals more damage.
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Post by ℜ★God on Jul 29, 2016 3:23:31 GMT
He's s*** at low levels, but at higher levels he puts out a ton of damage.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Jul 29, 2016 3:27:34 GMT
The rise of blademaster coincides perfectly with the introduction of equipment....if u noticed that those tope player have very high level blademaster... this means accumulated over months of ores etc.... so why now because the equipment enhanced his usefulness....
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Post by monkeylord on Jul 29, 2016 9:30:05 GMT
Actually blade was being used before eq. It was just that many people didn't have one at a high enough Lvl. Bander had a good one long before eq. Until recently, the second and third mine were dropping blade shards quite a bit in chests. The big game changer was the soccer event that allowed many people to get a large number of shards, blade was the cheapest to get with points. A couple people have Lvl 10 blade now. One of the big draws to blade over captivator or is that it can't get shut down by lucidity, and if enemies are already weakened it can finish them through a storm ward.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Jul 29, 2016 10:02:01 GMT
Actually blade was being used before eq. It was just that many people didn't have one at a high enough Lvl. Bander had a good one long before eq. Until recently, the second and third mine were dropping blade shards quite a bit in chests. The big game changer was the soccer event that allowed many people to get a large number of shards, blade was the cheapest to get with points. A couple people have Lvl 10 blade now. One of the big draws to blade over captivator or is that it can't get shut down by lucidity, and if enemies are already weakened it can finish them through a storm ward. yeah cull pass through Druidess ward
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Post by japoon on Jul 29, 2016 10:44:56 GMT
Actually blade was being used before eq. It was just that many people didn't have one at a high enough Lvl. Bander had a good one long before eq. Until recently, the second and third mine were dropping blade shards quite a bit in chests. The big game changer was the soccer event that allowed many people to get a large number of shards, blade was the cheapest to get with points. A couple people have Lvl 10 blade now. One of the big draws to blade over captivator or is that it can't get shut down by lucidity, and if enemies are already weakened it can finish them through a storm ward. What is the maximum status Blademaster has? I have a Lvl2 with up to 1250 DMG to all creatures, less than 22% max HP wil lbe destroyed instantly. He need creatures with Mass Direct DMG to all opponent creatures in order to work. - Octavius - Taurus - Sagittarius - Soul Shrew - Capricorn - Killer Queen Also he need a creature with rage control at the most right side of the deck to prevent opponent Heroes Skill to be trigger. Have high creatures support requirement.
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Post by vagou on Jul 29, 2016 15:11:20 GMT
I hate BM... a few rounds and I have accumulated a lot of damage, so when his skill goes off I lose 90% if not all my crits. Very hard to make a come back after that.
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Jul 29, 2016 17:22:15 GMT
My main has BM lvl 4 and I defeat God 50-70% of the time. Maybe just luck.
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Post by ℜ★God on Jul 29, 2016 17:37:58 GMT
My main has BM lvl 4 and I defeat God 50-70% of the time. Maybe just luck. Well, I'm bad, so that's probably why
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Post by jckson992 on Jul 29, 2016 17:44:23 GMT
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Jul 30, 2016 5:12:12 GMT
My main has BM lvl 4 and I defeat God 50-70% of the time. Maybe just luck. Well, I'm bad, so that's probably why Nope, your hero is outstanding. Its just, you still lack disablers. My deck is healer, FA combo so my BM does the wiping, tho your hero will definitely pass me very soon since creatures are the only weakness. I highly suggest a couple of rqt and immu crits with enough heal.
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Post by ℜ★God on Jul 30, 2016 5:55:04 GMT
Well, I'm bad, so that's probably why Nope, your hero is outstanding. Its just, you still lack disablers. My deck is healer, FA combo so my BM does the wiping, tho your hero will definitely pass me very soon since creatures are the only weakness. I highly suggest a couple of rqt and immu crits with enough heal. I lack Taurus and Aquarius ;-;
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Post by barleylime on Jul 31, 2016 2:19:25 GMT
So... does this mean Blade Master is a rank higher than VS in the Ore Mall?
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Post by evolved303 on Jul 31, 2016 2:23:45 GMT
I run blademaster in my tourny decks. Mostly because I really felt like he was a good home for my neander deck, and since I've somehow managed to get him to lvl7 seemingly without trying (never once bought a shard). I feel that with mass damage creature skills, and some heavy hitters he really can shine. The thread is right about him being trash at low level though. But around 6 I noticed that sometimes he just straight up wipes the entire enemy board. TBH I still dont understand exactly how his skill works, but he's definitely solid.
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Post by monkeylord on Jul 31, 2016 23:58:29 GMT
Ok so blade works like this. For simplicity sake, let's use blade lvl 7. That's 650 + 80%, 2500 max. Also, to address equipment imagine you have 20% skill potency and your opponent has 10% skill resist. The net effect of equipment will be to increase your damage by 10%. If your opponents creatures have taken no damage, or are completely healed, you will deal 650 + 0 + 65 = 715 damage to all creatures. If one creature has taken 200 dmg, you will deal 650 + 200 + 85 = 935 damage. If one creature took 300 and another took 500, then add those together, so 650 + 800 + 145 = 1595. If four creatures each took 600, that will cap the damage at 2500, but still apply the 10% eq bonus for 2750 dmg. If the damage takes any creature below 32% of current max health it will be killed instantly. So at lvl 7, excluding eq bonuses max dmg butcher will instantly kill anything around 3700 hp.
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Post by japoon on Aug 1, 2016 1:09:01 GMT
Ok so blade works like this. For simplicity sake, let's use blade lvl 7. That's 650 + 80%, 2500 max. Also, to address equipment imagine you have 20% skill potency and your opponent has 10% skill resist. The net effect of equipment will be to increase your damage by 10%. If your opponents creatures have taken no damage, or are completely healed, you will deal 650 + 0 + 65 = 715 damage to all creatures. If one creature has taken 200 dmg, you will deal 650 + 200 + 85 = 935 damage. If one creature took 300 and another took 500, then add those together, so 650 + 800 + 145 = 1595. If four creatures each took 600, that will cap the damage at 2500, but still apply the 10% eq bonus for 2750 dmg. If the damage takes any creature below 32% of current max health it will be killed instantly. So at lvl 7, excluding eq bonuses max dmg butcher will instantly kill anything around 3700 hp. I beat you several times in Gaunlet but only award for 3 ROyal Guard Shard, 3 Paw Master Shards, LOl
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Post by japoon on Aug 1, 2016 1:11:27 GMT
Ok so blade works like this. For simplicity sake, let's use blade lvl 7. That's 650 + 80%, 2500 max. Also, to address equipment imagine you have 20% skill potency and your opponent has 10% skill resist. The net effect of equipment will be to increase your damage by 10%. If your opponents creatures have taken no damage, or are completely healed, you will deal 650 + 0 + 65 = 715 damage to all creatures. If one creature has taken 200 dmg, you will deal 650 + 200 + 85 = 935 damage. If one creature took 300 and another took 500, then add those together, so 650 + 800 + 145 = 1595. If four creatures each took 600, that will cap the damage at 2500, but still apply the 10% eq bonus for 2750 dmg. If the damage takes any creature below 32% of current max health it will be killed instantly. So at lvl 7, excluding eq bonuses max dmg butcher will instantly kill anything around 3700 hp. Is that mean you can only benefit when skill potency is higher than opponent skill resist?
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Post by evolved303 on Aug 1, 2016 2:47:45 GMT
Ok so blade works like this. For simplicity sake, let's use blade lvl 7. That's 650 + 80%, 2500 max. Also, to address equipment imagine you have 20% skill potency and your opponent has 10% skill resist. The net effect of equipment will be to increase your damage by 10%. If your opponents creatures have taken no damage, or are completely healed, you will deal 650 + 0 + 65 = 715 damage to all creatures. If one creature has taken 200 dmg, you will deal 650 + 200 + 85 = 935 damage. If one creature took 300 and another took 500, then add those together, so 650 + 800 + 145 = 1595. If four creatures each took 600, that will cap the damage at 2500, but still apply the 10% eq bonus for 2750 dmg. If the damage takes any creature below 32% of current max health it will be killed instantly. So at lvl 7, excluding eq bonuses max dmg butcher will instantly kill anything around 3700 hp. Thanks monkeylord for the writeup, my guess was close to this understanding - I just was never clear if the damage that "butcher (itself) did" was then counted as the (bonus) damage that butcher looked at. From your explanation, it is clear that it does not. This reinforces the recommendation that mass damage abilities like toxicity, KQ, taurus, hero flaming, etc, be run in blademaster decks. Thanks again!
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Post by evolved303 on Aug 1, 2016 2:50:25 GMT
Ok so blade works like this. For simplicity sake, let's use blade lvl 7. That's 650 + 80%, 2500 max. Also, to address equipment imagine you have 20% skill potency and your opponent has 10% skill resist. The net effect of equipment will be to increase your damage by 10%. If your opponents creatures have taken no damage, or are completely healed, you will deal 650 + 0 + 65 = 715 damage to all creatures. If one creature has taken 200 dmg, you will deal 650 + 200 + 85 = 935 damage. If one creature took 300 and another took 500, then add those together, so 650 + 800 + 145 = 1595. If four creatures each took 600, that will cap the damage at 2500, but still apply the 10% eq bonus for 2750 dmg. If the damage takes any creature below 32% of current max health it will be killed instantly. So at lvl 7, excluding eq bonuses max dmg butcher will instantly kill anything around 3700 hp. Is that mean you can only benefit when skill potency is higher than opponent skill resist? Not nessicarily, as the math gets a bit wierd because, as rankax pointed out, the equation is affected exponentially by the number of enemy creatures (for skill potency) and number of your creatures (for skill resistance). If you look at the way the math works out you see that there will be a few crossing points of "potency vs resistance" for various %'s of both, and depending on the number of creatures for each side. But in general, assuming equal number of creatures on both sides, I do believe so - yes.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Aug 1, 2016 3:18:40 GMT
Ok so blade works like this. For simplicity sake, let's use blade lvl 7. That's 650 + 80%, 2500 max. Also, to address equipment imagine you have 20% skill potency and your opponent has 10% skill resist. The net effect of equipment will be to increase your damage by 10%. If your opponents creatures have taken no damage, or are completely healed, you will deal 650 + 0 + 65 = 715 damage to all creatures. If one creature has taken 200 dmg, you will deal 650 + 200 + 85 = 935 damage. If one creature took 300 and another took 500, then add those together, so 650 + 800 + 145 = 1595. If four creatures each took 600, that will cap the damage at 2500, but still apply the 10% eq bonus for 2750 dmg. If the damage takes any creature below 32% of current max health it will be killed instantly. So at lvl 7, excluding eq bonuses max dmg butcher will instantly kill anything around 3700 hp. I have a question... if u kill the opponent crits ,is it still counted in damage dealt to opponent crits?... because i am afraid ideology and what the igg developer wrote in the program are two different things....
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Post by barleylime on Aug 1, 2016 3:43:47 GMT
Ok so blade works like this. For simplicity sake, let's use blade lvl 7. That's 650 + 80%, 2500 max. Also, to address equipment imagine you have 20% skill potency and your opponent has 10% skill resist. The net effect of equipment will be to increase your damage by 10%. If your opponents creatures have taken no damage, or are completely healed, you will deal 650 + 0 + 65 = 715 damage to all creatures. If one creature has taken 200 dmg, you will deal 650 + 200 + 85 = 935 damage. If one creature took 300 and another took 500, then add those together, so 650 + 800 + 145 = 1595. If four creatures each took 600, that will cap the damage at 2500, but still apply the 10% eq bonus for 2750 dmg. If the damage takes any creature below 32% of current max health it will be killed instantly. So at lvl 7, excluding eq bonuses max dmg butcher will instantly kill anything around 3700 hp. "If one creature has taken 200 dmg, you will deal 650 + 200 + 85 = 935 damage." >> Why is it not 650 + (200 x 80%) + 81 = 891 damage? I thought it's 80% of HP lost? "If one creature took 300 and another took 500, then add those together, so 650 + 800 + 145 = 1595." >> So it takes 80% of damage from both creatures and then deal the same amount of damage to both the creatures? From the skill description, I would have expected that the amount of damage dealt to each creature would be different. I would expect it to be something like below. Creature A = 650 + (300 x 80%) + 89 = 979 Creature B = 650 + (500 x 80%) + 105 = 1155
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Post by asgarth1980 on Aug 1, 2016 6:04:52 GMT
Ok so blade works like this. For simplicity sake, let's use blade lvl 7. That's 650 + 80%, 2500 max. Also, to address equipment imagine you have 20% skill potency and your opponent has 10% skill resist. The net effect of equipment will be to increase your damage by 10%. If your opponents creatures have taken no damage, or are completely healed, you will deal 650 + 0 + 65 = 715 damage to all creatures. If one creature has taken 200 dmg, you will deal 650 + 200 + 85 = 935 damage. If one creature took 300 and another took 500, then add those together, so 650 + 800 + 145 = 1595. If four creatures each took 600, that will cap the damage at 2500, but still apply the 10% eq bonus for 2750 dmg. If the damage takes any creature below 32% of current max health it will be killed instantly. So at lvl 7, excluding eq bonuses max dmg butcher will instantly kill anything around 3700 hp. "If one creature has taken 200 dmg, you will deal 650 + 200 + 85 = 935 damage." >> Why is it not 650 + (200 x 80%) + 81 = 891 damage? I thought it's 80% of HP lost? "If one creature took 300 and another took 500, then add those together, so 650 + 800 + 145 = 1595." >> So it takes 80% of damage from both creatures and then deal the same amount of damage to both the creatures? From the skill description, I would have expected that the amount of damage dealt to each creature would be different. I would expect it to be something like below. Creature A = 650 + (300 x 80%) + 89 = 979 Creature B = 650 + (500 x 80%) + 105 = 1155 the how about u kill it with physical..example sac Ana..one shot one crit?... I wonder how good is the programmer to differentiate the damage dealt from instant kill.... like rQT sent to grave by kumiho... does it count as full damage dealt?
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Aug 1, 2016 6:19:59 GMT
You people are weird... I run a BM deck as main and you still miss ONE important point.... THE FIRST CREATURE RULE...
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Post by asgarth1980 on Aug 1, 2016 8:08:41 GMT
You people are weird... I run a BM deck as main and you still miss ONE important point.... THE FIRST CREATURE RULE... now I am lost... what rule is that?
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Aug 1, 2016 11:06:05 GMT
You people are weird... I run a BM deck as main and you still miss ONE important point.... THE FIRST CREATURE RULE... now I am lost... what rule is that? If the first creature is not damaged, no matter the damage to the second,third, and so on creatures, your bonus damage will still be zero. make the first creature critical, you can do max damage to ALL no matter if damaged or not.
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Post by monkeylord on Aug 1, 2016 12:33:54 GMT
"If one creature has taken 200 dmg, you will deal 650 + 200 + 85 = 935 damage." >> Why is it not 650 + (200 x 80%) + 81 = 891 damage? I thought it's 80% of HP lost? "If one creature took 300 and another took 500, then add those together, so 650 + 800 + 145 = 1595." >> So it takes 80% of damage from both creatures and then deal the same amount of damage to both the creatures? From the skill description, I would have expected that the amount of damage dealt to each creature would be different. I would expect it to be something like below. Creature A = 650 + (300 x 80%) + 89 = 979 Creature B = 650 + (500 x 80%) + 105 = 1155 the how about u kill it with physical..example sac Ana..one shot one crit?... I wonder how good is the programmer to differentiate the damage dealt from instant kill.... like rQT sent to grave by kumiho... does it count as full damage dealt? you're right I missed the multiplier.
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