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Post by japoon on Sept 27, 2016 10:04:00 GMT
As the Grandmaster Cup continue, we can easily see people betting several hundred thousands gems in the unfair rate. 100k or even 500k bet we seen.
As the GC gambling goes on, we can easily forecast there are more and more people losing lots of gems.
You can write here to share your unhappiness and discuss what to do next. Mist of the biggest whales won in the 1st round. But we expected one whale lost will arose many people lose gems, lose tons of gems talking about £1000 or even £10000 more.
I cant imagine why players bet such big amount of money for some sparks or a 5* creature only. It is not worthy. Completely not worthy.
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Post by ℜ★Kaiba on Sept 27, 2016 10:24:21 GMT
As the Grandmaster Cup continue, we can easily see people betting several hundred thousands gems in the unfair rate. 100k or even 500k bet we seen. As the GC gambling goes on, we can easily forecast there are more and more people losing lots of gems. You can write here to share your unhappiness and discuss what to do next. Mist of the biggest whales won in the 1st round. But we expected one whale lost will arose many people lose gems, lose tons of gems talking about £1000 or even £10000 more. I cant imagine why players bet such big amount of money for some sparks or a 5* creature only. It is not worthy. Completely not worthy. Well if Its Unclean or Yuna vs a any player outside of top20 then its a 100% win
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Post by Yuna on Sept 27, 2016 14:03:38 GMT
Me and Unclean both bet on me to win match #1. Like, it wasn't even a gamble. Nothing prevented others from doing the same and it's not like it hurt anyone in any way because the odds of me winning match #1 started at 1.00 and ended at 1.00 (meanwhile, the odds of Asgarth winning match #1 started at 20.0 and ended at 20.0).
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Post by ℜ★God on Sept 27, 2016 14:05:24 GMT
Lmgtfy links always make me giggle.
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Post by Riche✪NFS on Sept 27, 2016 14:09:14 GMT
One of the things I dislike about GC is that it hugely favours people who are prepared to quit. If I were to lose all my gems now I would stop. So I could make a series of bet that give me a nice profit but a decent chance of being completely wiped out. This feels like very bad game design.
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Post by ℜ★God on Sept 27, 2016 14:28:54 GMT
Most aspects of DH are bad game design lmao.
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Post by shofukamachi on Sept 27, 2016 14:45:44 GMT
I would like it more if it wasnt stretched out for 10 days. They could easily shorten it to 4 or 5 days. Obviously we all know why its programmed this way
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Post by japoon on Sept 27, 2016 15:00:32 GMT
I would like it more if it wasnt stretched out for 10 days. They could easily shorten it to 4 or 5 days. Obviously we all know why its programmed this way They programmed in this way is wishing more people to bet more. They only throw out 1 druidess, 1 Vile Songstress, a few creatures and a few shards, successfully make people throw out tons of gems (Money) at very unfavor betting rate. Besides, the rate could be changed anytime. I bet unclean at Day 2 6:00AM @1.96, I betted 23000 gems and hope to rewards 20000 somethings gems. But now the rate is 1.01. I hope I can cancel the bet.
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Post by Yuna on Sept 27, 2016 15:08:53 GMT
I would like it more if it wasnt stretched out for 10 days. They could easily shorten it to 4 or 5 days. Obviously we all know why its programmed this way They programmed in this way is wishing more people to bet more. They only throw out 1 druidess, 1 Vile Songstress, a few creatures and a few shards, successfully make people throw out tons of gems (Money) at very unfavor betting rate. Besides, the rate could be changed anytime. I bet unclean at Day 2 6:00AM @1.96, I betted 23000 gems and hope to rewards 20000 somethings gems. But now the rate is 1.01. I hope I can cancel the bet. The Druidess and Vile Songstress have nothing to do with betting...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 15:41:05 GMT
I don't know much about betting, but I find it really odd that the wager changed AFTER i placed my bet, in my disadvantage. I put 100 gems on an expected return of say 120 gems. And just a while later it became 103. And that's what I got rewarded in the end. However, if I would have known, I would not have risked 100 gems only to gain 3 gems.
Is this how bookmakers usually work? To me it feels like cheating.
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Post by shofukamachi on Sept 27, 2016 15:41:15 GMT
They programmed in this way is wishing more people to bet more. They only throw out 1 druidess, 1 Vile Songstress, a few creatures and a few shards, successfully make people throw out tons of gems (Money) at very unfavor betting rate. Besides, the rate could be changed anytime. I bet unclean at Day 2 6:00AM @1.96, I betted 23000 gems and hope to rewards 20000 somethings gems. But now the rate is 1.01. I hope I can cancel the bet. The Druidess and Vile Songstress have nothing to do with betting... I would also add....Japoon you know the rules of the event. We all know the betting odds change up until the actual match it has been repeated many times on this forum. So why bet now when the odds are going to change drastically? Just wait until the final half hour or so THEN bet.
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Post by Yuna on Sept 27, 2016 15:53:13 GMT
I don't know much about betting, but I find it really odd that the wager changed AFTER i placed my bet, in my disadvantage. I put 100 gems on an expected return of say 120 gems. And just a while later it became 103. And that's what I got rewarded in the end. However, if I would have known, I would not have risked 100 gems only to gain 3 gems. Is this how bookmakers usually work? To me it feels like cheating. Despite what the description on betting in-game used to say 'til yesterday, it's always been this way. It's a weird way of doing things, but it is what it is. A 1.03 bet is basically a 99% surefire bet, anyway, no risk involved (almost).
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Post by Yuna on Sept 27, 2016 15:55:04 GMT
The Druidess and Vile Songstress have nothing to do with betting... I would also add....Japoon you know the rules of the event. We all know the betting odds change up until the actual match it has been repeated many times on this forum. So why bet now when the odds are going to change drastically? Just wait until the final half hour or so THEN bet. Odds change in real time and immediately upon bets being placed. Unless you think that were you to make your bet 24 hours before the match, this would encourage/discourage others from betting on the same match-up, it doesn't really matter when the bet is made as long as we're talking about the same match-up. I had my alts place bets on someone who wasn't me for a tiny gain. The odds went down from 1.15 to 1.05 after I'd placed both my bets. So unless you're looking for a risky bet, you'll end up getting a close to 1.0 bet if enough people bet on one side, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 16:44:36 GMT
Probably I Got Greedy was too lazy to calculate some statistics on their own and let the players do the math. While getting rich themselves. I strongly agree with Japoon here. Every recent 'game development' seems to be hacked by a company shark that tries to turn it into a money machine to please the shareholders. The game developers have long been gone by now.
It is a pity, because the concept itself, betting on (other) players is lots of fun, as this forum shows.
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Post by Fwk*y2trips on Sept 27, 2016 17:53:24 GMT
Probably I Got Greedy was too lazy to calculate some statistics on their own and let the players do the math. While getting rich themselves. I strongly agree with Japoon here. Every recent 'game development' seems to be hacked by a company shark that tries to turn it into a money machine to please the shareholders. The game developers have long been gone by now. It is a pity, because the concept itself, betting on (other) players is lots of fun, as this forum shows. I agree with Japoon completely with everything he's said the last few days on this topic. wagering in this event only provides downside. The rates are nuts and IGG essentially can only benefit. I agree with myriadillu though, that this could be something special if the rates were realistic and comparable to what real odds-makers would put out there. If there was a serious chance to gain gems and competitive rates were available, I might have participated. I Vegas, a LOCK bet would be $1000 to walk away with only $1100. Not much, but still a small profit. The "Locks" in this event give 0 profit. The concept has so much potential, just not there in it's current execution. My 2 cents.
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Post by Gunnerkiller [βκ] on Sept 27, 2016 19:39:00 GMT
This is a go big or go home for me. I bet everything, and if I happen to lose, it will give me enough motivation to quit lol :I
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Post by opalnera on Sept 27, 2016 20:37:00 GMT
I really dont understand the discussion at all.
BETING = RISKY BUISNISS
The house always wins. In this case IGG. They set the rules.
Dont get me wrong i also see the stupid low wager reward system. So i dont bet. END
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Post by Yuna on Sept 27, 2016 22:53:02 GMT
Probably I Got Greedy was too lazy to calculate some statistics on their own and let the players do the math. While getting rich themselves. I strongly agree with Japoon here. Every recent 'game development' seems to be hacked by a company shark that tries to turn it into a money machine to please the shareholders. The game developers have long been gone by now. It is a pity, because the concept itself, betting on (other) players is lots of fun, as this forum shows. I agree with Japoon completely with everything he's said the last few days on this topic. wagering in this event only provides downside. The rates are nuts and IGG essentially can only benefit. I agree with myriadillu though, that this could be something special if the rates were realistic and comparable to what real odds-makers would put out there. If there was a serious chance to gain gems and competitive rates were available, I might have participated. I Vegas, a LOCK bet would be $1000 to walk away with only $1100. Not much, but still a small profit. The "Locks" in this event give 0 profit. The concept has so much potential, just not there in it's current execution. My 2 cents. What the Hell would a Lock Bet in Vegas be that would be the equivalent of a Yuna vs. Asgarth match-up?
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Post by japoon on Sept 27, 2016 23:26:48 GMT
Finally i dont know how many gems lost as Yuna lost to Sexy. His rate is 1.00.
That means Yuna win, you win nothing. Yuna lost, you lost all gems.
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Post by Fwk*y2trips on Sept 27, 2016 23:34:55 GMT
I agree with Japoon completely with everything he's said the last few days on this topic. wagering in this event only provides downside. The rates are nuts and IGG essentially can only benefit. I agree with myriadillu though, that this could be something special if the rates were realistic and comparable to what real odds-makers would put out there. If there was a serious chance to gain gems and competitive rates were available, I might have participated. I Vegas, a LOCK bet would be $1000 to walk away with only $1100. Not much, but still a small profit. The "Locks" in this event give 0 profit. The concept has so much potential, just not there in it's current execution. My 2 cents. What the Hell would a Lock Bet in Vegas be that would be the equivalent of a Yuna vs. Asgarth match-up? Vegas would at least pay some profit to the winner. If it was 1500 to make 1600, at least it would give some profit to someone willing to put down a large sum of gems. and the same goes for the underdog, their payouts should be proportionally much greater as well. using the Yuna example from round one... if she was a extraordinary favorite to the point that profit was close to nothing, the opponent odds should have been WAY more than 20-to-1... it should have been more like 200-to-1. Something more realistic and consistent with actual odds-makers lines could have enticed much more action. Also, the equivalency bet would be something like the Uconn women's basketball team playing against the #60th team ranked in the country. Those in the US should get that reference (hopefully).
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Post by japoon on Sept 27, 2016 23:42:20 GMT
I cant imagine how many people and how much gems lost in this match.
With the huge profit, over 10 millions gems, i dont eliminate the probability the game is being constructed, especially it run by a company called IGG.
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Post by japoon on Sept 27, 2016 23:58:01 GMT
Im glad that i didnt participate in this betting event.
I will never use 50k gems betting with 0 gems profit if win, lose all gems if lose. If i purchase the gems again i need £610. Wager rewards? Dont make me laugh. £610 for 10 sparks.
Finally lots of people ALL IN Yuna and lost all gems. They can buy the FULL Alice Bonds but now they cannot even the cheapest one 4000 gems. They have to make the choice, quit or pay the money
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Post by asgarth1980 on Sept 28, 2016 0:20:34 GMT
Im glad that i didnt participate in this betting event. I will never use 50k gems betting with 0 gems profit if win, lose all gems if lose. If i purchase the gems again i need £610. Wager rewards? Dont make me laugh. £610 for 10 sparks. Finally lots of people ALL IN Yuna and lost all gems. They can buy the FULL Alice Bonds but now they cannot even the cheapest one 4000 gems. They have to make the choice, quit or pay the money I dun understand why people think yuna will 100% win sexy... sexy is always on top 10 ranking...her deck was from Absoul( another good player)...people should choose smartly... I took grim vs Lucifer match all in for grim... well there is no way lucifer can win grim even a million simulations
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Post by ℜ★God on Sept 28, 2016 0:33:52 GMT
Exactly. You're acting like Trish is a bad player, japoon XD
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Post by Fwk*y2trips on Sept 28, 2016 1:26:02 GMT
Just for context, my gripe isn't with this round, not any round for that matter... it's more that the odds given overall are ridiculously skewed in the favor of IGG. Very difficult to win Gems. The standard "rake" for bets similar top this is roughly 10% per match. IGG is putting out rates that net them WAY more.
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Post by នʛ⋆SexyBob on Sept 28, 2016 2:45:19 GMT
Im glad that i didnt participate in this betting event. I will never use 50k gems betting with 0 gems profit if win, lose all gems if lose. If i purchase the gems again i need £610. Wager rewards? Dont make me laugh. £610 for 10 sparks. Finally lots of people ALL IN Yuna and lost all gems. They can buy the FULL Alice Bonds but now they cannot even the cheapest one 4000 gems. They have to make the choice, quit or pay the money I dun understand why people think yuna will 100% win sexy... sexy is always on top 10 ranking...her deck was from Absoul( another good player)...people should choose smartly... I took grim vs Lucifer match all in for grim... well there is no way lucifer can win grim even a million simulations I rebuilt all my decks didn't keep absoul s set ups. This account couldn't handle druidesses when I got it. I'm not a great player but I do know in order to stay on top, I have to survive in a sea of druidesses top 10, which means plenty of practice time invested versus druidess. Just got lucky in both fights. Wish I would've lost so igg didn't get any benefit from this fight.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Sept 28, 2016 2:48:48 GMT
I dun understand why people think yuna will 100% win sexy... sexy is always on top 10 ranking...her deck was from Absoul( another good player)...people should choose smartly... I took grim vs Lucifer match all in for grim... well there is no way lucifer can win grim even a million simulations I rebuilt all my decks didn't keep absoul s set ups. This account couldn't handle druidesses when I got it. I'm not a great player but I do know in order to stay on top, I have to survive in a sea of druidesses top 10, which means plenty of practice time invested versus druidess. Just got lucky in both fights. Wish I would've lost so igg didn't get any benefit from this fight. the odds for u is good .... I am thinking of going for u... one of the few female player ard... the current rate for ur win against mase kind is good... should I drop a few k gems on u.... risk but better returns..
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Post by នʛ⋆SexyBob on Sept 28, 2016 2:55:58 GMT
It's quite a risk to bet on me, anything can happen this match depending on his crazy skills proc rates. My advice is: don't do it.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Sept 28, 2016 3:02:33 GMT
It's quite a risk to bet on me, anything can happen this match depending on his crazy skills proc rates. My advice is: don't do it. 1-3k is ok... for almost 3 times returned back.... worth the risk to support Miss Sexy
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