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Post by tanisomsford on Jan 23, 2017 17:46:04 GMT
Also, to note. For stats purposes now more than anything else, as soon as I finish upgrading my haste runes, I'll come back to this and get my Vigor rune to 90,000. I'd like to see if that can offset enough to win even more when you lose a card from instakill or the first drop bullseye/chainstrike Damn, have a nice time with that! I don't know if it's worth wasting such a huge amount of glory just to grant a higher win rate btw Lol yeah, but it's never truly a waste when you can just sink the rune into something else when you are done with it or need it more elsewhere. The beauty of rune XP is it never really goes away. Besides, the game grind is so boring I need some kind of silly side project to keep things fun.
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Post by BlackTone on Jan 23, 2017 18:23:00 GMT
Alright listen up. Get 5-6 henrietta with i7. Get a couple dragonlord. Get three other faen healers with immunity, ash beast will work too. Predator lvl10. Heal amplify rune, faen vigor rune, all vigor rune, hero vigor rune. Rune up all your guys for max vitality. With that you can auto prot five. If it doesn't work, buy a couple hp buff, because your hp might not be high enough. Upgrading mass heal also seems to help. Why is this setup better? 1. You can auto. 2. Henrietta are a lot easier to get than oracles and i9. I have been farming Oracles for the Royal Guard method ever since butte posted his initial solution for Protean 5 and tanisomsford put up his take on this approach. It actually should still be much faster for me to start from scratch building towards the needed pieces for monkey's method. With the Faen solution and given I am starting from scratch, any suggestions on filling in the non-Henrietta pieces and the 'gotchas' to look out for with this approach monkeylord? I think like many, I only have the 1x Dragonlord from the secret dungeon in explore map 13. 1) Not sure the intricacies with the approach, does the bear die between rounds and are you generating rage to get him each round, or does the bear stay around and you are healing him back to full health between rounds? 2) Kind of related to #1, are 2 blessers in the mix a must and the right number? 3) Are Horned Beasts good for the 'faen healer' slots? Would the better meld be Elven Salve or Bless? Same question for meld on Ash Beast, Bless or Elven Salve? 4) Isn't the Chainstriker problematic if he comes out early, your Henriettas wouldn't have enough HP yet to survive? Is this where having copious amounts of HP is the solution =] Thanks guys!
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I have been farming Oracles for the Royal Guard method ever since butte posted his initial solution for Protean 5 and tanisomsford put up his take on this approach. It actually should still be much faster for me to start from scratch building towards the needed pieces for monkey's method. With the Faen solution and given I am starting from scratch, any suggestions on filling in the non-Henrietta pieces and the 'gotchas' to look out for with this approach monkeylord ? I think like many, I only have the 1x Dragonlord from the secret dungeon in explore map 13. 1) Not sure the intricacies with the approach, does the bear die between rounds and are you generating rage to get him each round, or does the bear stay around and you are healing him back to full health between rounds? 2) Kind of related to #1, are 2 blessers in the mix a must and the right number? 3) Are Horned Beasts good for the 'faen healer' slots? Would the better meld be Elven Salve or Bless? Same question for meld on Ash Beast, Bless or Elven Salve? 4) Isn't the Chainstriker problematic if he comes out early, your Henriettas wouldn't have enough HP yet to survive? Is this where having copious amounts of HP is the solution =] Thanks guys! 1)Nice question, I'd like him to post a video where he shows how the auto-play actually plays, if he has some spare time 2) lv10 grizzly reduces damage taken by 80%. So each round you take from 1000 to 1500 reduced by 80% per enemy creature, i.e. 200 to 300 damage. In the worst scenario you take 3000 (300 * 10 enemy creatures) damage each turn, countered by 2000 HP from 2 blessers, which are enough (assuming that your bear survives, go to point 1) 3) Horned beasts are good candidates to substitute dragonlords. Ash beast works well too. 4) It's the same story as warlock + oracles: you need a s*** -ton of HP and, thanks to very high immunity runes (!!!), they can outheal the sustained damage thanks to enemy magics. My two cents: this method is not gonna work if you can't afford extremely high runes for your creatures, but I'm not discouraging anyone from trying it. My advice is to stick with Butte's one for an easy solution. You can start farming even if you don't have 10 melded oracles. (I started almost a month ago with 7 melded plus 2 unmelded plus 1 bless seraph... quite low win rate but whatever).
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Post by Yuna on Jan 23, 2017 22:24:35 GMT
It would be a complete waste to level that rune up beyond level 8 since Bless tops out at 1000 HP per casting. Any HP higher than 100000 in total will just be a liability. IIRC, the enemy hero's hero HP reduction skill isn't capped and it just inflicts a flat 1% or whatever. So if you have 110000 HP, you'll actually lose more HP per turn than if you had 100000 HP using an Oracle-based deck. Man its like you don't even read about the stuff your talking about before posting. You haven't seen this setup, you clearly don't totally understand the math behind it. Soul eater 10 dude. Look it up... What does the build have to do with anything? I'm not talking about the build. Also, I'm pretty sure the enemy hero doesn't have Souleater but a different skill.
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Post by ironninja on Jan 24, 2017 7:04:01 GMT
What about Snow Harlot and Virgo in this setup? They helped me a lot in protean IV when I didn't have many oracles.
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Post by monkeylord on Jan 24, 2017 8:51:20 GMT
Snow harlot would be great if you got it. Virgo maybe not, you want lots of heal.
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Post by tanisomsford on Jan 24, 2017 10:12:50 GMT
Man its like you don't even read about the stuff your talking about before posting. You haven't seen this setup, you clearly don't totally understand the math behind it. Soul eater 10 dude. Look it up... What does the build have to do with anything? I'm not talking about the build. Also, I'm pretty sure the enemy hero doesn't have Souleater but a different skill. Okay bud. I can't really read your intent behind the post, so I gotta consider it possible, you really are genuinely confused here and not just throwing out poo poo in the post. So I'll break this up for you to clear it up better. First thing, is that in the Royal Guard build for this Grimoire challenge, when there is a full board, soul eater 5 does 1500 damage. It's not based on a heroes life points, and unlike guild map heroes, the grimoire heroes do NOT cast blood curse. With one less oracle from instakill, the hero damage is 15,000, plus 1000 from the unblocked tenth card, and you heal 9000 from bless. It's a shortfall of 7000 hero damage. 5000 if you keep all ten oracles, which makes a difference of 18,000 more life for the eight rounds of a full board. After watching a few times the battle go until lose, I've found royal guard can last till around 28-30 when you lose an oracle, which is so very close, that I know for certain, another 10,000 vigor life, will make the win VS loss difference. I would do this to see just how often it does make the difference. Currently the win rate is 50%, and with hero vigorV lv 9, I believe it may increase that win rate to 65-70%, possibly more. Before, you said something to the effect of "IIRC on enemy hero damage does 1% uncapped" and also the above quoted "enemy hero doesn't have soul eater but a different skill". That is all completely incorrect. You must be thinking of blood curse from Guild Maps, because no hero talent in this grimoire challenge hurts your hero. Therefore, increasing hero vigor only helps you. Period. And because the oracles can get you to round 28-30 when you are down by 1 oracle a little early, you'll win with 10,000 more life. Does that make better sense bud?
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What does the build have to do with anything? I'm not talking about the build. Also, I'm pretty sure the enemy hero doesn't have Souleater but a different skill. Okay bud. I can't really read your intent behind the post, so I gotta consider it possible, you really are genuinely confused here and not just throwing out poo poo in the post. So I'll break this up for you to clear it up better. First thing, is that in the Royal Guard build for this Grimoire challenge, when there is a full board, soul eater 5 does 1500 damage. It's not based on a heroes life points, and unlike guild map heroes, the grimoire heroes do NOT cast blood curse. With one less oracle from instakill, the hero damage is 15,000, plus 1000 from the unblocked tenth card, and you heal 9000 from bless. It's a shortfall of 7000 hero damage. 5000 if you keep all ten oracles, which makes a difference of 18,000 more life for the eight rounds of a full board. After watching a few times the battle go until lose, I've found royal guard can last till around 28-30 when you lose an oracle, which is so very close, that I know for certain, another 10,000 vigor life, will make the win VS loss difference. I would do this to see just how often it does make the difference. Currently the win rate is 50%, and with hero vigorV lv 9, I believe it may increase that win rate to 65-70%, possibly more. Before, you said something to the effect of "IIRC on enemy hero damage does 1% uncapped" and also the above quoted "enemy hero doesn't have soul eater but a different skill". That is all completely incorrect. You must be thinking of blood curse from Guild Maps, because no hero talent in this grimoire challenge hurts your hero. Therefore, increasing hero vigor only helps you. Period. And because the oracles can get you to round 28-30 when you are down by 1 oracle a little early, you'll win with 10,000 more life. Does that make better sense bud? I said " IIRC on enemy hero damage does 1% uncapped" for a reason. I wasn't sure. And your response was to go nuts on me as if I'd killed your firstborn and reply with a post devoid of actual refutations. See, if you'd just said "You seem to be misremembering. The enemy hero does not have Blood Curse" from the beginning, this discussion would've gone much smoother and much friendlier. But you escalated things for absolutely no reason. Not every post that disagrees with you is an attack on your person.
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Post by Yuna on Jan 24, 2017 12:16:25 GMT
What about Snow Harlot and Virgo in this setup? They helped me a lot in protean IV when I didn't have many oracles. Depends. Do you have enough copies of them to meld Bless onto them? Because otherwise, what's even the point of them being around? Just to soak up Basic Damage? Besides, neither of them are immune to Instakill and Virgo isn't immune to lockdown (nor is she immune to magic damage, actually, and she's quite squishy. I think she's immune to Rip, though, so there's that. IIRC, Snow Harlot isn't immune to all types of lockdown, but she's immune to the types of lockdown available in Protean Grimoire V so whatevs), so you cannot have her being both immune to lockdown and have Bless and Virgil cannot be melded, basically just providing a meat shield himself. All Virgo does is basically provide a meat shield.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Jan 24, 2017 23:05:55 GMT
What about Snow Harlot and Virgo in this setup? They helped me a lot in protean IV when I didn't have many oracles. Depends. Do you have enough copies of them to meld Bless onto them? Because otherwise, what's even the point of them being around? Just to soak up Basic Damage? Besides, neither of them are immune to Instakill and Virgo isn't immune to lockdown (nor is she immune to magic damage, actually, and she's quite squishy. I think she's immune to Rip, though, so there's that. IIRC, Snow Harlot isn't immune to all types of lockdown, but she's immune to the types of lockdown available in Protean Grimoire V so whatevs), so you cannot have her being both immune to lockdown and have Bless and Virgil cannot be melded, basically just providing a meat shield himself. All Virgo does is basically provide a meat shield. If you have them they could be pivotal in a Predator build though. Predator has no need of bless, only mass heal- and then creature survivability>hero health. Of course if you have access to those kind of cards you most likely have other options, but it might be an idea if you got a couple of lucky AB draws.
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Post by BlackTone on Jan 24, 2017 23:22:35 GMT
This is kind of what I was getting at with the questions I was asking earlier on the page about the predator build. Seems like blessers aren't needed if all you're doing is keeping the bear alive to tank for the direct damage to hero. Elven salve on tanky dudes like HB seems like a good, easily farmable way to supplement the build. Can you confirm I am understanding this correctly derpy✪NFS? Also, what's in your predator build then?
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Post by tanisomsford on Jan 25, 2017 1:42:21 GMT
This is kind of what I was getting at with the questions I was asking earlier on the page about the predator build. Seems like blessers aren't needed if all you're doing is keeping the bear alive to tank for the direct damage to hero. Elven salve on tanky dudes like HB seems like a good, easily farmable way to supplement the build. Can you confirm I am understanding this correctly derpy✪NFS? Also, what's in your predator build then? Snow Harlot does sound like a good idea for predator. No elven salve though, I think grizzly 10 has a base life of 2600 correct?
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Jan 25, 2017 1:46:23 GMT
This is kind of what I was getting at with the questions I was asking earlier on the page about the predator build. Seems like blessers aren't needed if all you're doing is keeping the bear alive to tank for the direct damage to hero. Elven salve on tanky dudes like HB seems like a good, easily farmable way to supplement the build. Can you confirm I am understanding this correctly derpy✪NFS? Also, what's in your predator build then? I have no way of making a Predator build. However the theory is sound. 3 key steps- buff the bear HP, stack healing, ensure creatures can survive. Of these, the third step is the most important if you already have a strong hero vigor rune, since that can tank a huge amount without bless. Anything like Snow Harlot with a heal amp rune is effectively worth a 1500 bless, since the bear absorbs so much damage whilst alive. And if Virgo is effective at staying alive, that could be amazing too. Just get creative if you have the options.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Jan 25, 2017 1:48:22 GMT
This is kind of what I was getting at with the questions I was asking earlier on the page about the predator build. Seems like blessers aren't needed if all you're doing is keeping the bear alive to tank for the direct damage to hero. Elven salve on tanky dudes like HB seems like a good, easily farmable way to supplement the build. Can you confirm I am understanding this correctly derpy✪NFS? Also, what's in your predator build then? Snow Harlot does sound like a good idea for predator. No elven salve though, I think grizzly 10 has a base life of 2600 correct? If nothing else Snow Harlot is a killer rip/bullseye/chainstrike counter, whichever you want. And I don't think you need to worry about the bear HP as long as you have it at lv 10 with a few elven salves. There's no way you're losing 80k+ HP with a reasonable setup, it's just creatures which stop you. Rip is your biggest enemy.
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Post by tanisomsford on Jan 25, 2017 5:14:47 GMT
Snow Harlot does sound like a good idea for predator. No elven salve though, I think grizzly 10 has a base life of 2600 correct? If nothing else Snow Harlot is a killer rip/bullseye/chainstrike counter, whichever you want. And I don't think you need to worry about the bear HP as long as you have it at lv 10 with a few elven salves. There's no way you're losing 80k+ HP with a reasonable setup, it's just creatures which stop you. Rip is your biggest enemy. With that in mind, perhaps 8 harlots and two dragon lords would be the best setup. With aura10 of course to enhance the bear a little.
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Post by monkeylord on Jan 25, 2017 5:28:38 GMT
To be honest, I don't even know if you need dragonlord.
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Post by tanisomsford on Jan 25, 2017 17:51:16 GMT
To be honest, I don't even know if you need dragonlord. I had thought you include dragon lords for two bless casts to offset some of the hero rage, but if not, then is there a way to fill in all the gaps with various different Faen? It sounds like mass heal, salve and immunity are the most important skills.
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Post by waggo on Jan 26, 2017 8:31:03 GMT
Sacred Wolf should make it really easy
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Post by aparatzi on Jan 29, 2017 4:03:35 GMT
Monkeylord, In your video your Henriettas have Immunity runes.. Is this a requirement aswell or just an added bonus? And could you possibly make a video where you play the entire match out so we mortals can get a glimps at what might be the reason this works so well?
EDIT: And more importantly fiqure out what the minimum requirements might be.
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Post by sblip on Jan 29, 2017 4:56:08 GMT
Ok everyone ... I did it, with a less than OP deck, and the only thing I used that will be not done when I finish melds and runes is i used HP buff (33%) , which cost 45 gems.
My setup is sub-optimal, so an optimal setup should work much better. This is it: Royal Guard lvl 8 Human Aura 6 Ice Shell 5 Firestorm 5 <-- this does absolutely nothing. I just haven't rolled Faith Heal yet.
Runes on RG: Human Vigor V lvl 4 Heal Amp IV lvl 7 All Vigor III lvl 4 Hero Vigor V lvl 7 Initial Rage V lvl 5
Bless Seraph, bless rune lvl 6 Bless Seraph, bless rune lvl 7 Bless Seraph, bless rune lvl 7
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Obviously going to replace the FA Oracles with unbound, and The Dragonlord is not necessary, could be another unbound Oracle.
The previous posts outlining what needs to happen are pretty on point. If bullseye comes out first, ur screwed. If chainstrike comes out before blessing procs, ur screwed. Instakill in the middle, u *may* be screwed. If you get 5 creatures out before 1 dies, chances of winning are pretty good (well, not really but good enough for a sub-optimal setup)
Hero vigor rune makes a huge difference. it *really* needs to be level 8, mine is only level 7. That extra 10k HP will be the difference when instakill takes out one of your oracles in the middle of the match. Also, Bless runes should really be at level 8, none of mine are.
Human Aura should be higher, and I would recommend putting Vit runes on the oracles (I haven't done this myself)
I think the Predator method is going to give you higher % results, but if you had already gone down this road like I had, then this CAN work!
Just a little hope for those who were like me and thinking that it was just too hard to be done. Again, success rates are not great, but so what. At least we know it can be done!
Good Luck!
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Post by tanisomsford on Jan 29, 2017 5:20:02 GMT
Ok everyone ... I did it, with a less than OP deck, and the only thing I used that will be not done when I finish melds and runes is i used HP buff (33%) , which cost 45 gems. My setup is sub-optimal, so an optimal setup should work much better. This is it: Royal Guard lvl 8 Human Aura 6 Ice Shell 5 Firestorm 5 <-- this does absolutely nothing. I just haven't rolled Faith Heal yet. Runes on RG: Human Vigor V lvl 4 Heal Amp IV lvl 7 All Vigor III lvl 4 Hero Vigor V lvl 7 Initial Rage V lvl 5 Bless Seraph, bless rune lvl 6 Bless Seraph, bless rune lvl 7 Bless Seraph, bless rune lvl 7 Unbound Oracle, bless rune lvl 7 Unbound Oracle, bless rune lvl 6 i8 Oracle, bless rune lvl 5 i7 Oracle, bless ruen lvl 7 FA Oracle, bless rune lvl 5 FA Oracle, bless rune lvl 5 Dragonlord, bless rune lvl 6 Obviously going to replace the FA Oracles with unbound, and The Dragonlord is not necessary, could be another unbound Oracle. The previous posts outlining what needs to happen are pretty on point. If bullseye comes out first, ur screwed. If chainstrike comes out before blessing procs, ur screwed. Instakill in the middle, u *may* be screwed. If you get 5 creatures out before 1 dies, chances of winning are pretty good (well, not really but good enough for a sub-optimal setup) Hero vigor rune makes a huge difference. it *really* needs to be level 8, mine is only level 7. That extra 10k HP will be the difference when instakill takes out one of your oracles in the middle of the match. Also, Bless runes should really be at level 8, none of mine are. Human Aura should be higher, and I would recommend putting Vit runes on the oracles (I haven't done this myself) I think the Predator method is going to give you higher % results, but if you had already gone down this road like I had, then this CAN work! Just a little hope for those who were like me and thinking that it was just too hard to be done. Again, success rates are not great, but so what. At least we know it can be done! Good Luck! Sblip, That's a great post bro! While as we are saying, this build isn't the mostly success laden build, but it IS a good starting point for most players without big resources behind them. Since people worry about all the unbound oracles, another option outside dragonlord, if you have a few just taking up space, is one or two bless melded ash beasts. That has the right skills too, unbound, mass heal, and bless meld gives what you need. Add in your awesome bless seraphs idea, and this is a build that can really make the difference. One thing I might suggest you try, instead of a HP buff, maybe a rage buff will help. I found early on trying my oracles before the unbound was that I was short on hero rage, and a buff might just give you the boost you need to get the blessing chain in high gear. And yes, unfortunately, the hero vigor really needs to be lv8. Even with the old judgement builds, I found vigor 8 really is what you need to have a less stressful success rate.
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Post by tanisomsford on Jan 29, 2017 5:36:41 GMT
Just a little add in on using pure unbound oracles, guys. I don't buff anymore, and my oracles have a lv1 vitality rune to "mark" them for picking them. In other words, outside of the very long time farming, this build uses f2p resources only.
Yesterday's ProteanV challenge, I managed 6 wins from 9 attempts. 2 out of 3 is my luckier win rates, but I've settled out at 50/50 wins with this build.
****note! There's a minor bug where ice shell is NOT treated like normal Frost Armor, so the bullseye rune doesn't activate. IF the bullseye card doe NOT get the battleblow, your oracle can live because bullseye does 1000 damage, and the Oracle will get hit by four creature skills in that turn, then you'll have blessing started if the Oracle can survive that.
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Post by monkeylord on Jan 29, 2017 6:07:54 GMT
Monkeylord, In your video your Henriettas have Immunity runes.. Is this a requirement aswell or just an added bonus? And could you possibly make a video where you play the entire match out so we mortals can get a glimps at what might be the reason this works so well? EDIT: And more importantly fiqure out what the minimum requirements might be. As of right now I'd say yes immunity runes on henriettas are necessary in my setup. With higher hp, such including a high level faen vigor rune, maybe not. Also with higher immunity, maybe not. You might be able to get by with 3 i9 henrietta. I don't have the resources to test that idea though. Alternatively, you can always meld off cleanse onto something with better survivability.
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Post by Gumba on Jan 29, 2017 9:19:34 GMT
Add in your awesome bless seraphs idea, and this is a build that can really make the difference. Waggo suggested this build already 4 pages ago - just want the right guy to get the credit Bless7!seraphs are a good and cheap alternative to unbound!oracles. I did the grimore with 4 seraphs and 6 oracles. I used a higher healboost rune to compensate lack of masshealing (4* lvl6)
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I did it with almost the same set up too. I tried this grimoire for the first time because it felt like it's ready thanks to seraph idea here. With yesterday being a meld day, I made 3 bless seraphs and converted two of my fa oracles into unbound. At the end I had; 2x unbound oracle 2x Fa oracle 2x imm Oracle (7&9) 3x bless seraph 1x drangonlord All of the cards have the same runes: Lvl 7 bless rune lvl 6 vitality V lvl 7 protean IV. Runes on the royal guard(Lvl 1, human aura 1) were; Lvl 6 human vigor V Lvl 8 all vigor III Lvl 7 heal amplifier III Lvl 4 initial rage V Lvl 8 hero vigor V. At first, royal guard's talents were ice shell 1 and dusk shield 1. Because of these two talents I just couldn't activate the guard's talent for the second time with my 4 cards on the field thus lost every time. Then I changed both talents to total Crap because they were blocking the rage gain and voila, easy peasy. If instakill comes among the first 4, high chance of win, because it is still required that the first card being Bullseye/chainstrike and getting battleblow from hero not happening at the same time. Apart from this battleblow from hero killing my first card, I couldn't find a serious problem with this set up. After winning two times, I bought two more attempts and these last two win came very soon like in 3 or 4 try. Sincere thanks to all the contributors to this idea I am also working on Henriettas just in case one of them gets nerfed
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Post by tanisomsford on Jan 29, 2017 12:29:07 GMT
Add in your awesome bless seraphs idea, and this is a build that can really make the difference. Waggo suggested this build already 4 pages ago - just want the right guy to get the credit Bless7!seraphs are a good and cheap alternative to unbound!oracles. I did the grimore with 4 seraphs and 6 oracles. I used a higher healboost rune to compensate lack of masshealing (4* lvl6) That's great bud! Thanks for that! Waggo thanks for suggesting this mod to make this build work with easier to create setups, or at least faster methods to get some wins going early!
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Post by tanisomsford on Jan 29, 2017 12:33:04 GMT
I did it with almost the same set up too. I tried this grimoire for the first time because it felt like it's ready thanks to seraph idea here. With yesterday being a meld day, I made 3 bless seraphs and converted two of my fa oracles into unbound. At the end I had; 2x unbound oracle 2x Fa oracle 2x imm Oracle (7&9) 3x bless seraph 1x drangonlord All of the cards have the same runes: Lvl 7 bless rune lvl 6 vitality V lvl 7 protean IV. Runes on the royal guard(Lvl 1, human aura 1) were; Lvl 6 human vigor V Lvl 8 all vigor III Lvl 7 heal amplifier III Lvl 4 initial rage V Lvl 8 hero vigor V. At first, royal guard's talents were ice shell 1 and dusk shield 1. Because of these two talents I just couldn't activate the guard's talent for the second time with my 4 cards on the field thus lost every time. Then I changed both talents to total Crap because they were blocking the rage gain and voila, easy peasy. If instakill comes among the first 4, high chance of win, because it is still required that the first card being Bullseye/chainstrike and getting battleblow from hero not happening at the same time. Apart from this battleblow from hero killing my first card, I couldn't find a serious problem with this set up. After winning two times, I bought two more attempts and these last two win came very soon like in 3 or 4 try. Sincere thanks to all the contributors to this idea I am also working on Henriettas just in case one of them gets nerfed Thanks for that Tip Ozzy! So I'm thinking that, when you have some immunity on the field, then ice shell actually works against you for building the needed rage. Can you verify how you drop the first cards? I found I would miss the second blessing if I dropped more than two cards first, I think because the third card loses too much life as well, and there's not enough healing in that critical second turn. But when I only drop one card, I get no ice shell, so that single oracle has to survive one round completely undefended. Any thoughts there?
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Post by ozzy on Jan 29, 2017 12:56:28 GMT
Thanks for that Tip Ozzy! So I'm thinking that, when you have some immunity on the field, then ice shell actually works against you for building the needed rage. Can you verify how you drop the first cards? I found I would miss the second blessing if I dropped more than two cards first, I think because the third card loses too much life as well, and there's not enough healing in that critical second turn. But when I only drop one card, I get no ice shell, so that single oracle has to survive one round completely undefended. Any thoughts there? I look at the first 4 cards of the enemy. If both heavy magic dealers ( I mean ones with pyre not tempest) are among the first 4, fa and unbound oracles or seraphs won't stand a chance so hope you get an imm as one of your first 3, but again assuming the battleblow is not on the first. If only one of the first 4 is pyre, then Fa will work too to put first only if the first enemy is not Bullseye/chainstrike (in this case Fa oracle is capable of surviving battleblow too). If none of the first 4 is pyre, then probably any card will survive that round but again battleblow has the potential to elephant it up so in this case Fa is a safer choice. I must add, my single oracle has 3133hp when it hits the field alone, so runes up!! (also, didn't need to mention before but if instakill is the 4th enemy card, then you have no choice but to put an imm)
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Post by tanisomsford on Feb 24, 2017 9:57:33 GMT
I've found ice shield ( one target FA)to be more useful than ice shell. First round, I dropped one oracle and it lives from the FA, and I auto after that so ice shield won't cast anymore and the rage meter is no longer an issue.
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Post by tanisomsford on Mar 9, 2017 20:21:41 GMT
I did it with almost the same set up too. I tried this grimoire for the first time because it felt like it's ready thanks to seraph idea here. With yesterday being a meld day, I made 3 bless seraphs and converted two of my fa oracles into unbound. At the end I had; 2x unbound oracle 2x Fa oracle 2x imm Oracle (7&9) 3x bless seraph 1x drangonlord All of the cards have the same runes: Lvl 7 bless rune lvl 6 vitality V lvl 7 protean IV. Runes on the royal guard(Lvl 1, human aura 1) were; Lvl 6 human vigor V Lvl 8 all vigor III Lvl 7 heal amplifier III Lvl 4 initial rage V Lvl 8 hero vigor V. At first, royal guard's talents were ice shell 1 and dusk shield 1. Because of these two talents I just couldn't activate the guard's talent for the second time with my 4 cards on the field thus lost every time. Then I changed both talents to total Crap because they were blocking the rage gain and voila, easy peasy. If instakill comes among the first 4, high chance of win, because it is still required that the first card being Bullseye/chainstrike and getting battleblow from hero not happening at the same time. Apart from this battleblow from hero killing my first card, I couldn't find a serious problem with this set up. After winning two times, I bought two more attempts and these last two win came very soon like in 3 or 4 try. Sincere thanks to all the contributors to this idea I am also working on Henriettas just in case one of them gets nerfed Hey Ozzy, how has your grimoire runs been going so far? Have you finished a couple ProteanV runes yet?
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