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Post by xychant on Apr 15, 2017 13:20:33 GMT
you should be rewarded with credits for successfull attacks simple as that. cause i realize that some guildies never attack and just wait for send defense team sometimes weak as fck just to get credits.
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Post by xychant on Apr 15, 2017 13:23:55 GMT
i dont think a 1/10 ratio would be unbalanced. i mean under rank 10 no rewards fucking bs and even the rank rewards... 3 shards lol and that player rewards are higher then guild just benedits big whales.
you should be rewarded as a participating member just like in gw. player points are given 1/2 ratio or 1/1. this qould be balanced
so easy to get a fair reward level.
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Post by Yuna on Apr 15, 2017 13:24:55 GMT
Again, survival of the fittest. You either couldn't be more oblivious or know it's true but don't want to admit FR is in no way made for the f2p guilds Did I ever say it was made for F2P guilds? And why would they spend time, money and effort to design events specifically for F2P players? You can't have your pie and eat it too. You can't say "Eh, it's not worth spending money in this game" and then expect the developers to spend a lot of time, money and effort to design events that favour you. This is like entering a sports competition without any entrance fee and then complaining how unfair it is you don't stand a chance at winning any of the prizes because you're overweight, unfit and have the coordination skills of a drunk seal.
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Post by Yuna on Apr 15, 2017 13:29:23 GMT
i dont think a 1/10 ratio would be unbalanced. i mean under rank 10 no rewards f***ing bs and even the rank rewards... 3 shards lol and that player rewards are higher then guild just benedits big whales. you should be rewarded as a participating member just like in gw. player points are given 1/2 ratio or 1/1. this qould be balanced so easy to get a fair reward level. Again, they don't want Fortress Credits to be easy to get. Which is why you have to choose. Participate and attack or sit and collect Fortress Credits? You don't need to be a big whale to get top 10 rank, you just need to win attacks a lot. You can only attack really weak guilds and still get a lot of rank points. You are completely ignoring all other rewards. 75th-100th place gets 30 sparks and 20000 glory. 30 sparks. 10th place get 80 sparks, 50000 glory, 3 omni creature shards and 20 Hanzo shards (a premium creature you can only get through the Momoya event and the Momoya Mall).
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Post by aarcher on Apr 15, 2017 13:29:23 GMT
You either couldn't be more oblivious or know it's true but don't want to admit FR is in no way made for the f2p guilds Did I ever say it was made for F2P guilds? And why would they spend time, money and effort to design events specifically for F2P players? You can't have your pie and eat it too. You can't say "Eh, it's not worth spending money in this game" and then expect the developers to spend a lot of time, money and effort to design events that favour you. This is like entering a sports competition without any entrance fee and then complaining how unfair it is you don't stand a chance at winning any of the prizes because you're overweight, unfit and have the coordination skills of a drunk seal. Why must it be all black and white? They should take f2p players into consideration, not completely neglect them. And that's exactly what they're doing. But I'm glad you agree with the only thing I've been complaining about: this event is completely unfair to the non/low spenders.
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Post by smash00 on Apr 15, 2017 13:31:03 GMT
I dont know about the VS bug. But this event is already destroyed by the "Hero with destroyed deck is still killing no matter what" bug. And nope no visual glitch. We have screens proven there is progress in between battles. Enemy is losing constatly crits, til he is at zero. Once enemy still was able winning against 13 Decks in a row without crits. He wouldnt been able to beat some of this Decks with his full deck so. This only happend in favour of defenders. This makes it even more hard for weaker guilds to get a foot on the ground. All documented and ticketed to igg, by me and lot of guildmates. But i doubt they care. That is a glitch that was around last time, only attackers could also experience it. Nobody knows what triggers it or how to get rid of it. All you can do is document it and send it to IGG. I only know that it's much less common now than last time. Last time it kept happening left and right. This time we're only hearing about isolated incidents. Yuna dont react to the other topic you are right React on this: I am sure some guilds are knowingly using a bug. We also reported to IGG. We are not so strong I understand, but some really good decks gets destroyed by creature with 0hp creatures... So I reported the guild, the players and everything to IGG. Hope they can clear it for us.
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Post by Yuna on Apr 15, 2017 13:31:11 GMT
Did I ever say it was made for F2P guilds? And why would they spend time, money and effort to design events specifically for F2P players? You can't have your pie and eat it too. You can't say "Eh, it's not worth spending money in this game" and then expect the developers to spend a lot of time, money and effort to design events that favour you. This is like entering a sports competition without any entrance fee and then complaining how unfair it is you don't stand a chance at winning any of the prizes because you're overweight, unfit and have the coordination skills of a drunk seal. Why must it be all black and white? They should take f2p players into consideration, not completely neglect them. And that's exactly what they're doing. But I'm glad you agree with the only thing I've been complaining about: this event is completely unfair to the non/low spenders. But what would your magical solution be? Some kind of handicap system where weaker players get a random boost? A system where the strongest decks don't win? This is a merit-based event. Strongest wins. The end. There's no way to cater to F2P in PvP except to handicap strong decks, which is patently unfair to people with strong decks. It is not unfair. It is perfectly fair. If you have weak decks, you will not win many battles in PvP. You having chosen a path that makes your decks weak does not mean every PvP event is unfair. You made your choices. Live with them.
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Post by Yuna on Apr 15, 2017 13:32:02 GMT
That is a glitch that was around last time, only attackers could also experience it. Nobody knows what triggers it or how to get rid of it. All you can do is document it and send it to IGG. I only know that it's much less common now than last time. Last time it kept happening left and right. This time we're only hearing about isolated incidents. Yuna dont react to the other topic you are right React on this: I am sure some guilds are knowingly using a bug. We also reported to IGG. We are not so strong I understand, but some really good decks gets destroyed by creature with 0hp creatures... So I reported the guild, the players and everything to IGG. Hope they can clear it for us. Yeah, that is potentially a bug that's been around since the first FR. I have not personally seen it this time around so I cannot say for sure this is what's happening, but do report to IGG.
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Post by xychant on Apr 15, 2017 13:34:23 GMT
the problem is yuna rhat only reward for top 100 or 10 and thats stupid. at least give some minor rewards for weaker guys like me.
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Post by Yuna on Apr 15, 2017 13:38:21 GMT
the problem is yuna rhat only reward for top 100 or 10 and thats stupid. at least give some minor rewards for weaker guys like me. Most events in this game don't even give out rewards to top 100. That's actually quite generous of them. IGG don't give out participation prizes. You don't get anything just for being here.
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Post by aarcher on Apr 15, 2017 13:43:29 GMT
Why must it be all black and white? They should take f2p players into consideration, not completely neglect them. And that's exactly what they're doing. But I'm glad you agree with the only thing I've been complaining about: this event is completely unfair to the non/low spenders. But what would your magical solution be? Some kind of handicap system where weaker players get a random boost? A system where the strongest decks don't win? This is a merit-based event. Strongest wins. The end. There's no way to cater to F2P in PvP except to handicap strong decks, which is patently unfair to people with strong decks. It is not unfair. It is perfectly fair. If you have weak decks, you will not win many battles in PvP. You having chosen a path that makes your decks weak does not mean every PvP event is unfair. You made your choices. Live with them. I'm not here to make the solutions, IGG is. I can live with the fact that they make purely p2p events, but not that they let us wait for months jumping through hoops to keep the 300k energy, just to have no part in this event at all. All I'm asking for is (as I already said multiple times) a fair chance. Like a fort that can't be conquered. That way you'll still have little impact in the event, but it atleast gives something to work with
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Post by Yuna on Apr 15, 2017 13:56:13 GMT
But what would your magical solution be? Some kind of handicap system where weaker players get a random boost? A system where the strongest decks don't win? This is a merit-based event. Strongest wins. The end. There's no way to cater to F2P in PvP except to handicap strong decks, which is patently unfair to people with strong decks. It is not unfair. It is perfectly fair. If you have weak decks, you will not win many battles in PvP. You having chosen a path that makes your decks weak does not mean every PvP event is unfair. You made your choices. Live with them. I'm not here to make the solutions, IGG is. I can live with the fact that they make purely p2p events, but not that they let us wait for months jumping through hoops to keep the 300k energy, just to have no part in this event at all. All I'm asking for is (as I already said multiple times) a fair chance. Like a fort that can't be conquered. That way you'll still have little impact in the event, but it atleast gives something to work with That's stupid. Then it's a race to the finish. Whoever gets to the forts first have guaranteed income forever. Also, IGG aren't wizards. They can't make the impossible happen. If none of the F2P players can come up with viable and fair solutions, why should IGG be able to? What if no fair and viable solution exists?
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Post by aarcher on Apr 15, 2017 14:46:57 GMT
I'm not here to make the solutions, IGG is. I can live with the fact that they make purely p2p events, but not that they let us wait for months jumping through hoops to keep the 300k energy, just to have no part in this event at all. All I'm asking for is (as I already said multiple times) a fair chance. Like a fort that can't be conquered. That way you'll still have little impact in the event, but it atleast gives something to work with That's stupid. Then it's a race to the finish. Whoever gets to the forts first have guaranteed income forever. Also, IGG aren't wizards. They can't make the impossible happen. If none of the F2P players can come up with viable and fair solutions, why should IGG be able to? What if no fair and viable solution exists? Race to the finish? What are you talking about? I'm just saying everything stays the way it is, but now everyone starts with 1 fort that can't be conquered (so you don't have to start all over again and still have an income)
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Post by Yuna on Apr 15, 2017 14:56:36 GMT
That's stupid. Then it's a race to the finish. Whoever gets to the forts first have guaranteed income forever. Also, IGG aren't wizards. They can't make the impossible happen. If none of the F2P players can come up with viable and fair solutions, why should IGG be able to? What if no fair and viable solution exists? Race to the finish? What are you talking about? I'm just saying everything stays the way it is, but now everyone starts with 1 fort that can't be conquered (so you don't have to start all over again and still have an income) I thought you meant there would be forts that could not exchange hands once someone had taken them.
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Post by johnwick on Apr 15, 2017 15:05:24 GMT
I'm not here to make the solutions, IGG is. I can live with the fact that they make purely p2p events, but not that they let us wait for months jumping through hoops to keep the 300k energy, just to have no part in this event at all. All I'm asking for is (as I already said multiple times) a fair chance. Like a fort that can't be conquered. That way you'll still have little impact in the event, but it atleast gives something to work with That's stupid. Then it's a race to the finish. Whoever gets to the forts first have guaranteed income forever. Also, IGG aren't wizards. They can't make the impossible happen. If none of the F2P players can come up with viable and fair solutions, why should IGG be able to? What if no fair and viable solution exists? Ohhhh please if igg can create this awesome game on which you spend millions they are more than smart to find a solution,like they bring momoya to increase gem spending
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Post by tanisomsford on Apr 15, 2017 16:10:41 GMT
I think somewhere between 30 second - 2 minute battle timers would solve the big crux between how the guilds are able to score rewards. The battles have to be short enough that, yes, even a weak guild could try and hold even a solid rewarding shrine, but in order to keep it, they are losing decks so fast, that it takes a 40 player guild having to stay vigilant 24/7, that they can't even let up for ten minutes or they lose their sector, so as someone like yuna parks his deck on their doorstep, all they have to do is let up for a short spell, and they lose it. And it's also this short battle timer that forces guilds that are weak to focus on one or two sectors to try and get some decent rewards, whereas, top end players can take and hold more sectors on less effort for their top end guilds, they don't need to be as aggressive in order to hold key areas. Obviously the sky citadel would end up in that case in this eternal power conflict between the top three guilds as the defending guild is using lots of resources to hold it, and attackers are pushing hard to take it.
I think that ideal timer spot would strike a cool balance in the high paced action the guilds needing to coordinate more to "fight back and forth", but still with the true PvP match up of the "best VS the average". Short enough that the cream rises to the top as it should, but long enough that if a guild REALLY wants to take and hold a desirable location, they gotta practically kill themselves to do it(but they still CAN). If they found that right spot, and tweaked a couple other things, it would make the event really fun for all. After all, that's why we are all here for anyway right?
But there is one truth to what Im Suggesting here that Yuna pointed out. Yes, I am saying that anything like that, does handicap the standout decks by a small margin, but I don't think it should be too much that it takes away the advantage a top player should have like Yuna. But just enough to make the event action really fun for all of us, but still equitable, that a guild like two cougars, for example, ARE GOING TO CARVE OUT THE BEST REWARDS.
But also, none of this even matters though, until they can find and fix these remaining battle glitches that are creating invincible decks here and there.
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Post by opalnera on Apr 15, 2017 20:19:30 GMT
the problem is yuna rhat only reward for top 100 or 10 and thats stupid. at least give some minor rewards for weaker guys like me. Most events in this game don't even give out rewards to top 100. That's actually quite generous of them. IGG don't give out participation prizes. You don't get anything just for being here. Sure u have to do some effort to urn your prices. Totaly agree BUT Let me say this: our guild is doing the best we can and try to defend as much as possable, fighting with guilds who are equal or little bit beter. And we realise that after this event maybe i say maybe can buy 1 package of 10 shards of something(this mall nerf is not your fault offcourse). But wy are u now attacking with your guild lesser pilars and abandon them. Is this only for points or something else? We fought 36 hours to have a 40 point pilar, we where proud to be the first to have the centre but couldnt hold it offcourse. I dont blame u its only a game but i am.only curious. Have fun further i stopped this FR. I want to have a peacefull eastern. And i wish u all the same.
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Post by ℒ✰Deer on Apr 15, 2017 22:12:11 GMT
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Post by Yuna on Apr 16, 2017 2:12:47 GMT
Most events in this game don't even give out rewards to top 100. That's actually quite generous of them. IGG don't give out participation prizes. You don't get anything just for being here. Sure u have to do some effort to urn your prices. Totaly agree BUT Let me say this: our guild is doing the best we can and try to defend as much as possable, fighting with guilds who are equal or little bit beter. And we realise that after this event maybe i say maybe can buy 1 package of 10 shards of something(this mall nerf is not your fault offcourse). But wy are u now attacking with your guild lesser pilars and abandon them. Is this only for points or something else? We fought 36 hours to have a 40 point pilar, we where proud to be the first to have the centre but couldnt hold it offcourse. I dont blame u its only a game but i am.only curious. Have fun further i stopped this FR. I want to have a peacefull eastern. And i wish u all the same. One of two things: * In a Destiny, LostX, Kadal Hitam or any other of the thorns in our sides launched attacks on the Citadel/center. In order to cut off their current path(s) to the center, we're expanding out and wiping them off the face of the map 'til they no longer have holdings near the center. As such, we will abandon the area afterwards. We didn't need any of them, they were merely a means to an end to cut off the enemy's access to our territory. If you got hit on the way, know that you were not the target, you were unfortunate enough to be "in the way" of our turf war. * Because of how the event is set up, it could also just be random hits to rack up Fortress Points for ranking, but that's less likely as we're never short of targets near our territory. We stopped doing random hits a loooong while ago and are now just focusing on our biggest enemies. (* A rogue player attacking random targets for ranking points without the consent of any of the higher ups. We discourage that.)
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Post by ZanderX10 on Apr 16, 2017 3:49:45 GMT
Idk if any if you ever played elemental kingdoms but they did a weekly event that was just like fortress raid with one major detail, there werent 70 teams all fighting each other, it was a 4 faction fight with multiple guilds in each faction. Guilds picked a faction for their guild and that's what they played as every kingdom war. It stayed balanced because of guild rivalry. Every faction started at a specific point or home base, a single node that could not be taken by other guilds, and tried to conquer the map. If the Fortress raid was a 72 guild or even 100 guild FACTION based event where there is only actually 4 teams then it would be more friendly to f2p without taking away from p2w players.
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Post by ℒ✰Deer on Apr 16, 2017 6:58:57 GMT
This is my thoughts: The main problem with FR (apart from some major glitches) that they put players together without any selection. It's like putting football teams together to have fun from Chelsea and a village called Oymyakon from Siberia. Some people might call this fun but for some it is more like a humiliation. I am at level 80 and this event just made me realize how s*** I am compering to the top players.
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Post by spizz0 on Apr 16, 2017 7:14:39 GMT
This is my thoughts: The main problem with FR (apart from some major glitches) that they put players together without any selection. It's like putting football teams together to play from Chelsea and a village called Oymyakon from Siberia. Some people might call this fun but for some it is more like a humiliation. I am at level 80 and this event just made me realize how s*** I am compering to the top players. And because I have no much chance to protect my position therefore I have no much reward either. That little FR credit it's not worth the effort to stay online for 3 days and see my deck destroyed. FR is nice idea but very poor implement. It would be fun to see them playing in Oymyakon in deep winter like -50°C ?
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Apr 16, 2017 7:58:35 GMT
What igg should do is to limit a guilds number of postion that can be occupied. So that a guild cannot monopolize the whole thing just like what those big dogs did now.
one guild occupying half of the map sector isnt fun. And it is known to all that one guild has sister guilds and cooperate with each other to make worse.
Together with bugs and glitches its a nightmare.
Added with the design flaws and the big dogs eating small pups for ranks its hellish.
Cant blame them... They have $$$$ and they are super strong. Like 3decks of pure octavius and druidess heroes. Worth it right?
With only half a day left and luck because my guildies can take some pillars. With 3000 credits for 3 days..
Soooo worth it right?
Soooo fun right?
How can ths be balanced?
The best players arent the payers. Its the f2p like us who knows what defeat and worth of the real struggle is. I dont care if im not an arena nor a tourney high ranker. My rank is mediocre and im proud because i worked hard to gather shards daily, i farm the energy mines, i have no revive but im 30 shards mystic including the omnis. So i need 20 more, i farmed my 3 recyclers and melded it. Finished after 6 months. Im so fckin proud that i never paid for this game. Because my hard work is worth the challenge. I bought tons of boosters and the best i got was a hanuman.
They will never know our struggles because they paid for shortcuts.
But our struggle is something far more enjoyable because winning is all worth it.
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Just enjoy the game for petes sake and never compete with whales. Fish never do that. But we can fight other fish which is a lot more fun.
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Post by ZanderX10 on Apr 16, 2017 8:24:57 GMT
What igg should do is to limit a guilds number of postion that can be occupied. So that a guild cannot monopolize the whole thing just like what those big dogs did now. one guild occupying half of the map sector isnt fun. And it is known to all that one guild has sister guilds and cooperate with each other to make worse. Together with bugs and glitches its a nightmare. Added with the design flaws and the big dogs eating small pups for ranks its hellish. Cant blame them... They have $$$$ and they are super strong. Like 3decks of pure octavius and druidess heroes. Worth it right? With only half a day left and luck because my guildies can take some pillars. With 3000 credits for 3 days.. Soooo worth it right? Soooo fun right? How can ths be balanced? The best players arent the payers. Its the f2p like us who knows what defeat and worth of the real struggle is. I dont care if im not an arena nor a tourney high ranker. My rank is mediocre and im proud because i worked hard to gather shards daily, i farm the energy mines, i have no revive but im 30 shards mystic including the omnis. So i need 20 more, i farmed my 3 recyclers and melded it. Finished after 6 months. Im so fckin proud that i never paid for this game. Because my hard work is worth the challenge. I bought tons of boosters and the best i got was a hanuman. They will never know our struggles because they paid for shortcuts. But our struggle is something far more enjoyable because winning is all worth it. my point? Just enjoy the game for petes sake and never compete with whales. Fish never do that. But we can fight other fish which is a lot more fun. it is limited. Guilds can only hold max 15 nodes.
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Post by ZanderX10 on Apr 16, 2017 8:25:22 GMT
This goddamn fucking immortal glitch is pissing me the f*** off though.
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Post by japoon on Apr 16, 2017 8:30:37 GMT
It seems the Fortress Raid require restless effort in 3 complete days. I don't know if the game design like this is healthy. I am glad I didn't register into the event.
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It seems the Fortress Raid require restless effort in 3 complete days. I don't know if the game design like this is healthy. I am glad I didn't register into the event. As I said, events like this must last 24h at most
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Post by skippy on Apr 16, 2017 8:42:30 GMT
I just have to say, there is really no need to complain here. This game is built for big spenders, nothing else. I have played World of Warcraft, Counterstrike since 1.4 and multiple other online games and absolutely NONE of them had you spending countless dollars in order to be competetive. If anyone think that Yuna or any other of the top dogs in here are the best players, you are mistaken. They are the biggest spenders, hence they can try different things out and be first with solutions, but that is ONLY because they have access to all the cards. Because of money. So, complain, dont complain, go in clinch with Yuna, nothing really matters until you start spending top dollars. I am in this event as well, it is shitty as hell, and it is kinda fun to see Yuna say that they give out 30 sparks as reward and say that they (IGG) are generous. Well, perhaps they are, for being IGG, what do i know, but after playing for 2,5 years + (Yeah, i've played longer than Yuna, and spent a fortune less than him as well) it is no longer fun at all. japoon, it has been fun fighting with ya in tournament!
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Madness, as you know, is a lot like gravity; all it takes is a little push.
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Post by NFS✪Grandfather on Apr 16, 2017 8:44:09 GMT
I actually agree a lot with idea of making restriction on numbers of sectors ocupied,it would make big diference in way of fair play since no one could take other sectors without abandoning one of their own first.That i could call balance.
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