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Post by revenant on Nov 21, 2017 9:16:07 GMT
While I wait for my Anathemas to build up in numbers for melding purpose (through guild map shards, but it will take months) where do I meld that sac from the Venom Tyrant I just unlocked? I have access to most 4* common creatures in large numbers, both from guild maps, usual 4* one gets from coupons, and maps up to 11.8. My first thought was sac Twins, but are there other viable options?
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Post by bl8catcher on Nov 21, 2017 9:28:11 GMT
While I wait for my Anathemas to build up in numbers for melding purpose (through guild map shards, but it will take months) where do I meld that sac from the Venom Tyrant I just unlocked? I have access to most 4* common creatures in large numbers, both from guild maps, usual 4* one gets from coupons, and maps up to 11.8. My first thought was sac Twins, but are there other viable options? I think the best 4* sac carriers are the twins, graboid or michael if you want something special
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Post by jjfrom730 on Nov 21, 2017 9:32:56 GMT
Definitely Twins! And a sensible alternative option would be Graboid.
But I personally wouldn't mind using Border Guard or Seraph as a stop-gap.
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Post by theart on Nov 21, 2017 9:43:04 GMT
Nonono graboid isn't even near Twins. We seems to be at the same lvl with an acc so should be in a similar position, and be sure that in tourney there are matches won just thanks to sac twins. And a sac graboid on another acc doesn't do the same... just a fa or a dodge and is useless.
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Post by revenant on Nov 21, 2017 9:46:51 GMT
Then maybe twins is the best option for me, I have plenty of them, and the FA version as well for some variety. My best decks are an all-mortii (with 2xrec HB) with high lvl wight (which took me far in maps and all the way to #6 in arena) and and a berserker driven deck for guild maps, guess they would fit in both of them.
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Nov 21, 2017 16:18:22 GMT
Go with Twins, then farm another venom while your collecting Ana shards. You don't really want to use more than 1 sac per deck, but you can easily use 1 per deck in tourney - when you have enough runes. The third is a slow farm, but no. 2 is not so bad.
I would advise against using a sac crit without a rune in auto situations in general, unless you have enough mitigation against it (e.g lots of rebirth, high level deathless, multiple revive/recycle) - it can cause more problems than its worth (e.g. it eats you last recycler)
It was a long time between sac rune 1 and 2, but I pulled the 3rd not long after - if yuo push for runes with GP, you will get them eventually.
I never got a sac graboid myself - I have twins, Pit and Ana. Ana is the strongest, but twins is still useful under requiem. Pit is a bit of a menace - retreat reeks havok!
I'm working on Sac Cancer, its was going to replace twins, but maybe now it will replace pit.
You can make quite a strong neander deck with a few twins and graboids. Nidd, Ana, some rec. Fill out with panther and anyhting else you like, FA Tauros Elder is not a terrible stopgap in a neander deck, cyclops early on. Just about any 5* Neander will work OK too, but don't worry as much factions in deck building - strong cards might be much better than a weaker card that gets some faction boost from skills/runes.
For tourney, Mortii is a good deck to forgoe recycle with if you don't have enough to spread across your decks, use deathless/rebirth as a somewhat poorer, but still effective,substitute.
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Post by lotnar on Nov 21, 2017 16:47:54 GMT
I used both Sac Graboid and Twins, and I am more happy with the last one. Twins had lower base attack/hp and rely strongly on procing his skills to be effective. Sacoid especially with Sweeping Blow rune is a monster and can one-shot a lot of important cards (Paragon which is usually melded with Immunity, Aqua etc), and proved to be more consistent on the long run.
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Post by revenant on Nov 21, 2017 16:53:05 GMT
Go with Twins, then farm another venom while your collecting Ana shards. You don't really want to use more than 1 sac per deck, but you can easily use 1 per deck in tourney - when you have enough runes. The third is a slow farm, but no. 2 is not so bad. I would advise against using a sac crit without a rune in auto situations in general, unless you have enough mitigation against it (e.g lots of rebirth, high level deathless, multiple revive/recycle) - it can cause more problems than its worth (e.g. it eats you last recycler) It was a long time between sac rune 1 and 2, but I pulled the 3rd not long after - if yuo push for runes with GP, you will get them eventually. I never got a sac graboid myself - I have twins, Pit and Ana. Ana is the strongest, but twins is still useful under requiem. Pit is a bit of a menace - retreat reeks havok! I'm working on Sac Cancer, its was going to replace twins, but maybe now it will replace pit. You can make quite a strong neander deck with a few twins and graboids. Nidd, Ana, some rec. Fill out with panther and anyhting else you like, FA Tauros Elder is not a terrible stopgap in a neander deck, cyclops early on. Just about any 5* Neander will work OK too, but don't worry as much factions in deck building - strong cards might be much better than a weaker card that gets some faction boost from skills/runes. For tourney, Mortii is a good deck to forgoe recycle with if you don't have enough to spread across your decks, use deathless/rebirth as a somewhat poorer, but still effective,substitute. Thank you for the insight! With just 2xRec HB I think I am quite far from having a decent set up for three tournament decks, so I sorta left tournament for the future for now. I am just lvl70, and long to go. Once I have VS (76 shards for now) I still have to level her a bit, then I am left with her, wight and another hero for the third deck (I have all from 4* down to 1*, but Wight Berserker and Predator are the ones which are uber-developed). Problem is I don't really know what I will put into those decks at this point. My wight deck rolls decently (up to #6 in arena), and berserked deck goes nice in gm's, and they mostly don't overlap because gm deck doesn't of course use anything related to the graveyard, but once I am in tournament I really need more dead-rising power If you don't mind I will come back to you sooner or later with my cards and a request for some insight into building tournament decks
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Post by theart on Nov 21, 2017 18:41:57 GMT
Thank you for the insight! With just 2xRec HB I think I am quite far from having a decent set up for three tournament decks, so I sorta left tournament for the future for now. I am just lvl70, and long to go. Once I have VS (76 shards for now) I still have to level her a bit, then I am left with her, wight and another hero for the third deck (I have all from 4* down to 1*, but Wight Berserker and Predator are the ones which are uber-developed). Problem is I don't really know what I will put into those decks at this point. My wight deck rolls decently (up to #6 in arena), and berserked deck goes nice in gm's, and they mostly don't overlap because gm deck doesn't of course use anything related to the graveyard, but once I am in tournament I really need more dead-rising power If you don't mind I will come back to you sooner or later with my cards and a request for some insight into building tournament decks You don't need a good setup for all 3 decks. Just need to have 2 good decks and you're in. The 2 decks strategy is pretty good to start, even cause the time you enter in top 6k it's easier maintaining your rank. I'm in just with wight and berserker (don't think at my 3rd deck, it's a curse deck with 99.9% of loss lol). Seeing your main deck you've even better cards than me, and better talents, so just pay a lot of attention for your opponents (choose only those who gives you better ranks to start) and try doing all your attacks in the same period so if you're lucky you enter in the safe zone. And if you really can't, be sure that with a 3rd rec you're in. That's sure at 100%.
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Post by revenant on Nov 22, 2017 8:23:49 GMT
Thank you for the insight! With just 2xRec HB I think I am quite far from having a decent set up for three tournament decks, so I sorta left tournament for the future for now. I am just lvl70, and long to go. Once I have VS (76 shards for now) I still have to level her a bit, then I am left with her, wight and another hero for the third deck (I have all from 4* down to 1*, but Wight Berserker and Predator are the ones which are uber-developed). Problem is I don't really know what I will put into those decks at this point. My wight deck rolls decently (up to #6 in arena), and berserked deck goes nice in gm's, and they mostly don't overlap because gm deck doesn't of course use anything related to the graveyard, but once I am in tournament I really need more dead-rising power If you don't mind I will come back to you sooner or later with my cards and a request for some insight into building tournament decks You don't need a good setup for all 3 decks. Just need to have 2 good decks and you're in. The 2 decks strategy is pretty good to start, even cause the time you enter in top 6k it's easier maintaining your rank. I'm in just with wight and berserker (don't think at my 3rd deck, it's a curse deck with 99.9% of loss lol). Seeing your main deck you've even better cards than me, and better talents, so just pay a lot of attention for your opponents (choose only those who gives you better ranks to start) and try doing all your attacks in the same period so if you're lucky you enter in the safe zone. And if you really can't, be sure that with a 3rd rec you're in. That's sure at 100%. You mean "lazy a** start farming those 24x critters for third thalassa"? XD Jokes apart, I have grown up in the game thinking that I'll farm oracles forever, and it might as well be, but I am tempted to leave it for starting the third thalassa now. For the decks guess it's just a matter of tuning, probably I do have the critters and three 4* lvl 7-8 heroes, wight berserker, and predator who ain't that bad for a start. Btw, I wonder if VS is good for decks right out of the mine (82 shards, now) at lvl1 or do I need to level her up before I can think replacing a well rounded 4*?
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Post by theart on Nov 22, 2017 11:35:23 GMT
You mean "lazy a** start farming those 24x critters for third thalassa"? XD Jokes apart, I have grown up in the game thinking that I'll farm oracles forever, and it might as well be, but I am tempted to leave it for starting the third thalassa now. For the decks guess it's just a matter of tuning, probably I do have the critters and three 4* lvl 7-8 heroes, wight berserker, and predator who ain't that bad for a start. Btw, I wonder if VS is good for decks right out of the mine (82 shards, now) at lvl1 or do I need to level her up before I can think replacing a well rounded 4*? Ahah yeah, start farming that thalassa man. I win vs you just thanks to my 3rd rec. Why can't you farm both? I've farmed all the time HB, oracles and thalassa easily without star. About tournament, I don't know how you've made your decks but probably it's just a matter od luck. I entered before having 3rd rec so just continue trying and a day, without any change, you'll be at ranking 6k. About vile, at lvl.1, with good talents is surely better than a berserk of any lvl.
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Post by revenant on Nov 22, 2017 12:19:13 GMT
You mean "lazy a** start farming those 24x critters for third thalassa"? XD Jokes apart, I have grown up in the game thinking that I'll farm oracles forever, and it might as well be, but I am tempted to leave it for starting the third thalassa now. For the decks guess it's just a matter of tuning, probably I do have the critters and three 4* lvl 7-8 heroes, wight berserker, and predator who ain't that bad for a start. Btw, I wonder if VS is good for decks right out of the mine (82 shards, now) at lvl1 or do I need to level her up before I can think replacing a well rounded 4*? Ahah yeah, start farming that thalassa man. I win vs you just thanks to my 3rd rec. Why can't you farm both? I've farmed all the time HB, oracles and thalassa easily without star. About tournament, I don't know how you've made your decks but probably it's just a matter od luck. I entered before having 3rd rec so just continue trying and a day, without any change, you'll be at ranking 6k. About vile, at lvl.1, with good talents is surely better than a berserk of any lvl. Well, can't calculate the energy for farming HB, Oracles, Thalassa at the same time, and I do want to do full first mine daily, but I can use around 400-450 energy depending on the day (living in italy it's almost impossible for me to get the last blessing at 2-4 am due to server time), so I'll try to. But this leaves me with little for chambers and other amenities. Oh, well ket's see what I can do I the meanwhile when I have a little time I'll put up a new topic somewhere about best tournament decks with what I have, given the ones I use right now.
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Nov 22, 2017 17:15:59 GMT
You don't need a good setup for all 3 decks. Just need to have 2 good decks and you're in. The 2 decks strategy is pretty good to start, even cause the time you enter in top 6k it's easier maintaining your rank. I'm in just with wight and berserker (don't think at my 3rd deck, it's a curse deck with 99.9% of loss lol). Seeing your main deck you've even better cards than me, and better talents, so just pay a lot of attention for your opponents (choose only those who gives you better ranks to start) and try doing all your attacks in the same period so if you're lucky you enter in the safe zone. And if you really can't, be sure that with a 3rd rec you're in. That's sure at 100%. You mean "lazy a** start farming those 24x critters for third thalassa"? XD Jokes apart, I have grown up in the game thinking that I'll farm oracles forever, and it might as well be, but I am tempted to leave it for starting the third thalassa now. For the decks guess it's just a matter of tuning, probably I do have the critters and three 4* lvl 7-8 heroes, wight berserker, and predator who ain't that bad for a start. Btw, I wonder if VS is good for decks right out of the mine (82 shards, now) at lvl1 or do I need to level her up before I can think replacing a well rounded 4*? Yes, VS will be a big buff at L1 for you - spend up your saved GP cards and look for protection first (any level is good to start, upgrade it later->7+ after getting the rest of your skills sorted). Push the other talents to L9 base (you can leave cull until you get a good second skill if you want, you cannot roll it again with her) and start looking for any of the top level talents - priority order is lucidity, group tactics, freezing dance, mass charm, divine shield, entrap, Fleshfeast. Full alert, firestorm, shaped armour are decent while you flip, as are higher level warhungry or beserk. In the end you want lucidity + another, with group tactics likely the best option. If you get one, keep it and work on the other talent. If you get 2 of these, you can reroll the worst - but be warned, I had mass charm + fleshfeast, then mass charm + entrap 5 (pointless!), then mass charm + freezing dance. I have been rerolling mass charm for 6 months, easily putting in as much as getting to the previous setup in total - no lucidity, no group tactics. Its only another 10 shards to get L2, and pretty quick to get to L4 after. Just getting protection (and a huge hero HP buff!) will give you many more deck building options. For anyone else farming VS, I advise you to save you ore until you have 75K and can buy VS outright - imagine after 99 shards she gets a massive nerf making her useless With these developers - its only a matter of time!
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Nov 22, 2017 17:18:53 GMT
You mean "lazy a** start farming those 24x critters for third thalassa"? XD Jokes apart, I have grown up in the game thinking that I'll farm oracles forever, and it might as well be, but I am tempted to leave it for starting the third thalassa now. For the decks guess it's just a matter of tuning, probably I do have the critters and three 4* lvl 7-8 heroes, wight berserker, and predator who ain't that bad for a start. Btw, I wonder if VS is good for decks right out of the mine (82 shards, now) at lvl1 or do I need to level her up before I can think replacing a well rounded 4*? Ahah yeah, start farming that thalassa man. I win vs you just thanks to my 3rd rec. Why can't you farm both? I've farmed all the time HB, oracles and thalassa easily without star. About tournament, I don't know how you've made your decks but probably it's just a matter od luck. I entered before having 3rd rec so just continue trying and a day, without any change, you'll be at ranking 6k. About vile, at lvl.1, with good talents is surely better than a berserk of any lvl. I unlocked thalassa no. 4 (5 total), that last one was a long slog! You got one from an old code, but my guess is that is nolonger valid.
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Post by theart on Nov 22, 2017 21:56:19 GMT
Well, can't calculate the energy for farming HB, Oracles, Thalassa at the same time, and I do want to do full first mine daily, but I can use around 400-450 energy depending on the day (living in italy it's almost impossible for me to get the last blessing at 2-4 am due to server time), so I'll try to. But this leaves me with little for chambers and other amenities. Oh, well ket's see what I can do I the meanwhile when I have a little time I'll put up a new topic somewhere about best tournament decks with what I have, given the ones I use right now. I know about blessings... I've taken the last one just a few times. And yes, my energy was just mines, thalassa, hb, oracle and qt when unlocked. Chambers just the 1 time for the mission, even cause can be done every time you want, doesn't need to be considered in my routine Ah, but take your time farming it I unlocked thalassa no. 4 (5 total), that last one was a long slog! You got one from an old code, but my guess is that is nolonger valid. No man, I've just 3 dragons (lol) unlocked regularly. But you're right that is no longer available What you're talking about was an offer of long time ago. The acc I'm talking about is lvl 73-74. A new one.
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Nov 23, 2017 15:12:59 GMT
Well, can't calculate the energy for farming HB, Oracles, Thalassa at the same time, and I do want to do full first mine daily, but I can use around 400-450 energy depending on the day (living in italy it's almost impossible for me to get the last blessing at 2-4 am due to server time), so I'll try to. But this leaves me with little for chambers and other amenities. Oh, well ket's see what I can do I the meanwhile when I have a little time I'll put up a new topic somewhere about best tournament decks with what I have, given the ones I use right now. I know about blessings... I've taken the last one just a few times. And yes, my energy was just mines, thalassa, hb, oracle and qt when unlocked. Chambers just the 1 time for the mission, even cause can be done every time you want, doesn't need to be considered in my routine Ah, but take your time farming it I unlocked thalassa no. 4 (5 total), that last one was a long slog! You got one from an old code, but my guess is that is nolonger valid. No man, I've just 3 dragons (lol) unlocked regularly. But you're right that is no longer available What you're talking about was an offer of long time ago. The acc I'm talking about is lvl 73-74. A new one. Mine push is great long term, but you get diminishing returns the further in you go. The last run is 80 energy - you might find a big short term benefit from putting that to explore for crits that will help you deck right now - e.g meld strong crits like graboid, twins, michael, even naga mistres can be useful. It doesn't take too long to meld recHB, you only need to really push it when your close to unloking another rec to meld (a few spare i7s are nice too, but you can farm one easy between meld days!) Hold off on the chamber unless you have spare energy (after first run), then push it in place of explore when you have something to meld. Evolving good cards you use can be a nice boost, but should be considered an 'extra' unless you are working on cards for a meld with them.
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Post by revenant on Nov 23, 2017 15:43:12 GMT
I know about blessings... I've taken the last one just a few times. And yes, my energy was just mines, thalassa, hb, oracle and qt when unlocked. Chambers just the 1 time for the mission, even cause can be done every time you want, doesn't need to be considered in my routine Ah, but take your time farming it No man, I've just 3 dragons (lol) unlocked regularly. But you're right that is no longer available What you're talking about was an offer of long time ago. The acc I'm talking about is lvl 73-74. A new one. Mine push is great long term, but you get diminishing returns the further in you go. The last run is 80 energy - you might find a big short term benefit from putting that to explore for crits that will help you deck right now - e.g meld strong crits like graboid, twins, michael, even naga mistres can be useful. It doesn't take too long to meld recHB, you only need to really push it when your close to unloking another rec to meld (a few spare i7s are nice too, but you can farm one easy between meld days!) Hold off on the chamber unless you have spare energy (after first run), then push it in place of explore when you have something to meld. Evolving good cards you use can be a nice boost, but should be considered an 'extra' unless you are working on cards for a meld with them. Looks like I could put the last 80 energy to good use, except on 2x ore days, thank you for the advice. For now I think the main goal is the third thalassa. I don't even need more HB for now (I have already 1 more) until I get somewhere near. I have so many multiple 4* sitting around I can't really tell which could be a good temporary rec carrier, but no point sitting with 5 HB while I don't have a thalassa.
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Nov 23, 2017 16:22:25 GMT
Mine push is great long term, but you get diminishing returns the further in you go. The last run is 80 energy - you might find a big short term benefit from putting that to explore for crits that will help you deck right now - e.g meld strong crits like graboid, twins, michael, even naga mistres can be useful. It doesn't take too long to meld recHB, you only need to really push it when your close to unloking another rec to meld (a few spare i7s are nice too, but you can farm one easy between meld days!) Hold off on the chamber unless you have spare energy (after first run), then push it in place of explore when you have something to meld. Evolving good cards you use can be a nice boost, but should be considered an 'extra' unless you are working on cards for a meld with them. Looks like I could put the last 80 energy to good use, except on 2x ore days, thank you for the advice. For now I think the main goal is the third thalassa. I don't even need more HB for now (I have already 1 more) until I get somewhere near. I have so many multiple 4* sitting around I can't really tell which could be a good temporary rec carrier, but no point sitting with 5 HB while I don't have a thalassa. Not many. QT is good, twins can do a job (but other good melds for them). Swordmaster and Harbringer were favorites, but they are both weak to disposal/retreat and not worth it. Dullahan is OK, but not as good as HB or QT. I have a recNidd which is really good in neander decks. Cheapest temp carrier is thalassa, not really worth melding off while farming HBs. If you want something more exotic later, HB is still the best temp carrier too!
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Post by revenant on Nov 23, 2017 16:25:47 GMT
Looks like I could put the last 80 energy to good use, except on 2x ore days, thank you for the advice. For now I think the main goal is the third thalassa. I don't even need more HB for now (I have already 1 more) until I get somewhere near. I have so many multiple 4* sitting around I can't really tell which could be a good temporary rec carrier, but no point sitting with 5 HB while I don't have a thalassa. Not many. QT is good, twins can do a job (but other good melds for them). Swordmaster and Harbringer were favorites, but they are both weak to disposal/retreat and not worth it. Dullahan is OK, but not as good as HB or QT. I have a recNidd which is really good in neander decks. Cheapest temp carrier is thalassa, not really worth melding off while farming HBs. If you want something more exotic later, HB is still the best temp carrier too! Cool with that, then HB will be unless I get something "more exotic" in the meanwhile Now, off topic, but as we all get an Oinari: keep it or meld s-revive away (maybe to a decent gm farmable tank)?
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Post by theart on Nov 23, 2017 19:06:32 GMT
Mine push is great long term, but you get diminishing returns the further in you go. The last run is 80 energy - you might find a big short term benefit from putting that to explore for crits that will help you deck right now - e.g meld strong crits like graboid, twins, michael, even naga mistres can be useful. It doesn't take too long to meld recHB, you only need to really push it when your close to unloking another rec to meld (a few spare i7s are nice too, but you can farm one easy between meld days!) Hold off on the chamber unless you have spare energy (after first run), then push it in place of explore when you have something to meld. Evolving good cards you use can be a nice boost, but should be considered an 'extra' unless you are working on cards for a meld with them. Nah... mine and those 80 are my 1st priority right now. And I know I should farm something else than hb now I've 3 rec hb but I wanna have an army of them Anycase oracles and qt are the only thing I need to farm, and I've already the energy to do it, hb is just a +. Cool with that, then HB will be unless I get something "more exotic" in the meanwhile Now, off topic, but as we all get an Oinari: keep it or meld s-revive away (maybe to a decent gm farmable tank)? Just remember that revive (and s-rev too) can be melded only on 5*. If you haven't enough SS, or something better, in my opinion you should stay with oinari, that at least has a good reb.
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