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Post by ruklo on May 9, 2018 20:27:02 GMT
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Currently 2K-3K tournament.
I have a tourney deck with Predator lvl 10 + healing + magic damage + faen things.(heroe skills lvl 8-9)
I have trough Tourney enough shards for a LVL 5 Warlock.
the question, should I get warlock to LVL5, spend 600K-700K points to get the skills to lvl 7-8
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keep predator and wait for other heroes (Arma for example)
(NOTE: account does not have AB, getting SA lvl7 is a long path - probably a year ) Already have a VS lvl4.
the warlock deck will be probably as a faen type deck (healing + human buffs + some 4 star hitters - read as BB & Imm ( Michaels)) No revives (only one d revive) - and 1 or if can get 2 recyclers.
Never used warlock, but suffered from him with VS.
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Post by NFS✪Grandfather on May 9, 2018 21:08:02 GMT
Warlock is a head of VS by any means. Can beat VS with easy. Definately go for Warlock, supreme support hero, efficient in both offensive and defensive play. Easy to asemble deck to work with him (especially with Neanders), have a great potential even above 500 rank on tourney. I mean totally worth of investment. Arma is also great option you can wait for him but if you can get and make Warlock to work now then do it.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 8:47:25 GMT
I am a big fan of Warlock. It is my main Hero in Gauntlet. Gives your crits army a total refresh.
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Post by revenant on May 11, 2018 7:46:40 GMT
Warlock is a head of VS by any means. Can beat VS with easy. Definately go for Warlock, supreme support hero, efficient in both offensive and defensive play. Easy to asemble deck to work with him (especially with Neanders), have a great potential even above 500 rank on tourney. I mean totally worth of investment. Arma is also great option you can wait for him but if you can get and make Warlock to work now then do it. What would you consider an ideal setup for Warlock? I have one at lvl 3 and feel I am not using him at best. I mean both hero (Lvl/Talents/Runes), and deck approach. Thank you
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 14:52:52 GMT
Warlock is a head of VS by any means. Can beat VS with easy. Definately go for Warlock, supreme support hero, efficient in both offensive and defensive play. Easy to asemble deck to work with him (especially with Neanders), have a great potential even above 500 rank on tourney. I mean totally worth of investment. Arma is also great option you can wait for him but if you can get and make Warlock to work now then do it. What would you consider an ideal setup for Warlock? I have one at lvl 3 and feel I am not using him at best. I mean both hero (Lvl/Talents/Runes), and deck approach. Thank you Rage increasers like RQT, Hanzo or injured melds are a must. And then slowly finish off the enemy with Flame Summoner or other direct damage dealers. Lots of recycle and revive is good too. Another setup is focussing on War Hungry. Then you need the better bullseye crits: Michael, Titania, Anathema and Pit Dragon. I am a bit reluctant about the talents that require at least 5 creatures out (Divine Shield, GT, Freezing Dance), because if you have that many crits on the board, you are probably winning already and Prayer is doing most of the protection. Maybe the offensive talents like Mass Charm and Firestorm are the best alternative. You could make a good sneak deck with Warlock. While your opponent is on fire (firestorm) your crits are healthy enough, due to Prayer, to actually deal damage.
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Post by noname on May 14, 2018 13:50:40 GMT
Nothing else you can do with tourney points so yeah go for it
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Post by dendeze on May 15, 2018 5:55:50 GMT
invest in the fean hero for protean V I allways take warlock and the fean hero
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on May 16, 2018 14:50:29 GMT
I take worlock and cap whenever they ae up, most judges too and I don't stagnate on points unless I start refreshing (you almost get a 'free' one each day with the gem buyback) - if you have enough off worlock5 then you will easily have enough to take all shards except overlord twice a day for quite some time - providing you keep your tourney level up.
It's also a great place to get some extra energy for LR days.
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Post by kswong on May 17, 2018 7:10:21 GMT
I think spending tourney points is fine on buying gems and energy. But at this spot I would focus on Judgment and avoid leveling up anything which is not really amazing.
As a complete f2p lv 110 and played for almost 3 years, now only some free stuff are considered valuable, to name a few: grimoire shards (protean V, vitality V, violence V) And the main bottlenecks of non-paid stuff: glory, essence, chamber materials.
Glory is always short. 500k glory cannot guarantee to get your desired talents. And if you haven't beaten protean V yet, you need Judgment/Royal Guard plus high level hero Vigor V Rune and many many leveled vitality V runes. Also, if you have bought runes from LP mall, you'll need a ton of glory to bring them to level 10.
Besides, beating explorer's map 15 & 16 would grant you 3 gold chests each on the mazes, which means you can do lost relics more handily and to spend on some ultima chests boosts events. Vile equipped with a high level hero Vigor Rune would help you achieve this easily.
Warlock only helps in getting higher rank in tourney and guild battles. So my advice would be spending glory only on Vile Songstress/Druidess/Wraith Hunter and the rest for drawing runes to level up runes (vitality V, protean V, hero vigor V, all vigor IV/V, initial rage V, haste V, faction vigor V, a few injured runes, LP mall runes).
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on May 17, 2018 11:55:05 GMT
I think spending tourney points is fine on buying gems and energy. But at this spot I would focus on Judgment and avoid leveling up anything which is not really amazing. As a complete f2p lv 110 and played for almost 3 years, now only some free stuff are considered valuable, to name a few: grimoire shards (protean V, vitality V, violence V) And the main bottlenecks of non-paid stuff: glory, essence, chamber materials. Glory is always short. 500k glory cannot guarantee to get your desired talents. And if you haven't beaten protean V yet, you need Judgment/Royal Guard plus high level hero Vigor V Rune and many many leveled vitality V runes. Also, if you have bought runes from LP mall, you'll need a ton of glory to bring them to level 10. Besides, beating explorer's map 15 & 16 would grant you 3 gold chests each on the mazes, which means you can do lost relics more handily and to spend on some ultima chests boosts events. Vile equipped with a high level hero Vigor Rune would help you achieve this easily. Warlock only helps in getting higher rank in tourney and guild battles. So my advice would be spending glory only on Vile Songstress/Druidess/Wraith Hunter and the rest for drawing runes to level up runes (vitality V, protean V, hero vigor V, all vigor IV/V, initial rage V, haste V, faction vigor V, a few injured runes, LP mall runes). You already say you don't actually need judgement for gim, just use royal guard - so why get judge shards? Surely chamber mats are only a bottleneck if you let them be? They are in effect unlimmited, and paying players can get lots very quickly.
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Post by kswong on May 18, 2018 3:26:40 GMT
You already say you don't actually need judgement for gim, just use royal guard - so why get judge shards?
Did I say so? Seems like you haven't beaten Protean Grimoire V yet. The Royal guard deck recipe is very much different from the Judgment one. The more stable one is high level Judgment with Sacred Wolf. My deck for it is Judgment 9, Sacred Wolf, 2x fa Nidhogg, fa Anathema, i9 Pontiff, Dragonlord, all with high level Vitality V Runes. All Vigor V rune, Hero Vigor V rune, Neander Vigor V rune. Win rate is about 75%.
After you grinded for so long, you'll have decent stuff although not competitive to p2w at all. As a 3 years complete f2p without spending a penny, my main deck is like Octavius, 2x revive Kumiho, revive Kitsune, 2x Aquarius, Taurus, i10 Paragon, retreat QT and Vile lv4. (1 Aqua from Alice Bond, the other from Platinum wheel full spin for 103k gems (and obtained a Druidess on the last wheel), Kumiho/Kitsune/revive from daily gem mines, Taurus from 35 shards + 15 gold omni, Octavius from Ultima Chest boost)
At this point, hardly any free stuff can add some remarkable values. It's not Overlord, Armageddon, Warlock and other f2p obtainable 5-star heroes. It's not you get another random 5-star, a Thalassa or meld another retreat QT or i10 Arcane Sage. Those only help you score 3k more points in guild battles. What I can think of, is evolving all 5-star creatures in hope of getting sacrifice 1, before you tried to meld duplicates. Now that f2p can obtain sacrifice skill essences, another sacifice source could possibly help you assemble a very impressive p2w tier creature one day some day in the future.
Glory spending on common 5 star heroes is very expensive and brings minimal effects only. So all-in on drawing runes to level up Torment and Concealed Strike runes to level 10 recommended. Also a bunch of hero runes need high levels to be effective. Examples include initial rage and hero vigor. The process could take ages.
So, think big, concentrate all your resources.
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Post by dendeze on May 18, 2018 12:01:06 GMT
You already say you don't actually need judgement for gim, just use royal guard - so why get judge shards?
Did I say so? Seems like you haven't beaten Protean Grimoire V yet. The Royal guard deck recipe is very much different from the Judgment one. The more stable one is high level Judgment with Sacred Wolf. My deck for it is Judgment 9, Sacred Wolf, 2x fa Nidhogg, fa Anathema, i9 Pontiff, Dragonlord, all with high level Vitality V Runes. All Vigor V rune, Hero Vigor V rune, Neander Vigor V rune. Win rate is about 75%.
After you grinded for so long, you'll have decent stuff although not competitive to p2w at all. As a 3 years complete f2p without spending a penny, my main deck is like Octavius, 2x revive Kumiho, revive Kitsune, 2x Aquarius, Taurus, i10 Paragon, retreat QT and Vile lv4. (1 Aqua from Alice Bond, the other from Platinum wheel full spin for 103k gems (and obtained a Druidess on the last wheel), Kumiho/Kitsune/revive from daily gem mines, Taurus from 35 shards + 15 gold omni, Octavius from Ultima Chest boost)
At this point, hardly any free stuff can add some remarkable values. It's not Overlord, Armageddon, Warlock and other f2p obtainable 5-star heroes. It's not you get another random 5-star, a Thalassa or meld another retreat QT or i10 Arcane Sage. Those only help you score 3k more points in guild battles. What I can think of, is evolving all 5-star creatures in hope of getting sacrifice 1, before you tried to meld duplicates. Now that f2p can obtain sacrifice skill essences, another sacifice source could possibly help you assemble a very impressive p2w tier creature one day some day in the future.
Glory spending on common 5 star heroes is very expensive and brings minimal effects only. So all-in on drawing runes to level up Torment and Concealed Strike runes to level 10 recommended. Also a bunch of hero runes need high levels to be effective. Examples include initial rage and hero vigor. The process could take ages.
So, think big, concentrate all your resources.
[/quote][/quote] since when can f2p get sacrifice skill essences and from where ? The only thing you can get is omni skill essense from events, bihour mont or from plat wheel. That i know.. so pls do enlighten me
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Post by NFS✪Grandfather on May 18, 2018 13:14:39 GMT
You can get sacrifice essence upgrade from Altar essence draw but its extremly rare.
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on May 18, 2018 13:46:19 GMT
You already say you don't actually need judgement for gim, just use royal guard - so why get judge shards?
Did I say so? Seems like you haven't beaten Protean Grimoire V yet. The Royal guard deck recipe is very much different from the Judgment one. The more stable one is high level Judgment with Sacred Wolf.
Erm, yes I have - but I don't have the wolf. I use royal guard, which is f2p friendly but is long to setup. Can you do proetV without wolf? Can you actually get wolf from anywhere? You are telling everyone not to get worlock, whom many of us have found very useful, but to get judgement based on an unspecified condition.
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Post by dendeze on May 18, 2018 14:42:58 GMT
wolf => try your luck on the spin wheel... he often comes there. and since it platium wheel and 7 day gala at the moment... why not
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Post by ningthou on May 18, 2018 15:19:00 GMT
Did I say so? Seems like you haven't beaten Protean Grimoire V yet. The Royal guard deck recipe is very much different from the Judgment one. The more stable one is high level Judgment with Sacred Wolf.
Erm, yes I have - but I don't have the wolf. I use royal guard, which is f2p friendly but is long to setup. Can you do proetV without wolf? Can you actually get wolf from anywhere? You are telling everyone not to get worlock, whom many of us have found very useful, but to get judgement based on an unspecified condition. Also some moderately-highly successful technique is (not f2p gettable) Guardian Dragon 5+ 2x nef witch, oracles and dragonlords! at least chicken got some use
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Post by nemesis101 on May 27, 2018 17:02:33 GMT
Always go for Warlock. In the right deck against the right opponent he's a beast.
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Post by Wilhellm on May 28, 2018 16:31:38 GMT
You already say you don't actually need judgement for gim, just use royal guard - so why get judge shards?
My deck for it is Judgment 9, Sacred Wolf, 2x fa Nidhogg, fa Anathema, i9 Pontiff, Dragonlord, all with high level Vitality V Runes. All Vigor V rune, Hero Vigor V rune, Neander Vigor V rune. Win rate is about 75%.
I use Judgement with Level 15 Sacred Wolf Level 15 Nidhogg (Frost Armor) Level 15 Nidhogg (revive, just because I don't have another Frost Armor one.) Level 15 Flare Summoner Level 10 Nidhogg I also throw in 3 level 2 Dreamer's Chalices and wait until round 8 to deploy all creatures and the chalices on Flare Summoner, and the Nidhoggs, except the frost armored one. I usually play Sacred Wolf on the first slot, although there are enemy abilities that I gotta look out for: Rip Chainstrike Bloodlust (Waiting for the deployment of the instakill enemy creature is advisable as well) Flare Summoner with the immunity rune is usually placed against the rip creature or, in the absence of that one, chainstrike creature (Sacred Wolf can also function in that role). His immunity rune guarantees that he is able to heal himself even if affected by rip and rampart ensures he doesn't die as fast or get one shotted by battleset talent. Frost Armored Nidhogg goes against bloodlust if there is any in the first 5 slots. That usually gets the win for me, more than 90% of the time. I'm sooo glad I got Sacred Wolf in a Sky Arena event and just happened to get it cause I wouldn't spend on the event. I thought it was pretty useless at that time, how wrong was I.
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Post by asgarth1980 on May 31, 2018 23:33:23 GMT
My deck for it is Judgment 9, Sacred Wolf, 2x fa Nidhogg, fa Anathema, i9 Pontiff, Dragonlord, all with high level Vitality V Runes. All Vigor V rune, Hero Vigor V rune, Neander Vigor V rune. Win rate is about 75%.
I use Judgement with Level 15 Sacred Wolf Level 15 Nidhogg (Frost Armor) Level 15 Nidhogg (revive, just because I don't have another Frost Armor one.) Level 15 Flare Summoner Level 10 Nidhogg I also throw in 3 level 2 Dreamer's Chalices and wait until round 8 to deploy all creatures and the chalices on Flare Summoner, and the Nidhoggs, except the frost armored one. I usually play Sacred Wolf on the first slot, although there are enemy abilities that I gotta look out for: Rip Chainstrike Bloodlust (Waiting for the deployment of the instakill enemy creature is advisable as well) Flare Summoner with the immunity rune is usually placed against the rip creature or, in the absence of that one, chainstrike creature (Sacred Wolf can also function in that role). His immunity rune guarantees that he is able to heal himself even if affected by rip and rampart ensures he doesn't die as fast or get one shotted by battleset talent. Frost Armored Nidhogg goes against bloodlust if there is any in the first 5 slots. That usually gets the win for me, more than 90% of the time. I'm sooo glad I got Sacred Wolf in a Sky Arena event and just happened to get it cause I wouldn't spend on the event. I thought it was pretty useless at that time, how wrong was I. i am probably old school still using warlock for grimoire protean V.. warlock setup for this grimoire is time consuming...too bad no wolf...anyway protean V is good up to a certain amount for your damager... utility cards better avoid protean..
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Post by ningthou on Jun 1, 2018 3:10:09 GMT
I use Judgement with Level 15 Sacred Wolf Level 15 Nidhogg (Frost Armor) Level 15 Nidhogg (revive, just because I don't have another Frost Armor one.) Level 15 Flare Summoner Level 10 Nidhogg I also throw in 3 level 2 Dreamer's Chalices and wait until round 8 to deploy all creatures and the chalices on Flare Summoner, and the Nidhoggs, except the frost armored one. I usually play Sacred Wolf on the first slot, although there are enemy abilities that I gotta look out for: Rip Chainstrike Bloodlust (Waiting for the deployment of the instakill enemy creature is advisable as well) Flare Summoner with the immunity rune is usually placed against the rip creature or, in the absence of that one, chainstrike creature (Sacred Wolf can also function in that role). His immunity rune guarantees that he is able to heal himself even if affected by rip and rampart ensures he doesn't die as fast or get one shotted by battleset talent. Frost Armored Nidhogg goes against bloodlust if there is any in the first 5 slots. That usually gets the win for me, more than 90% of the time. I'm sooo glad I got Sacred Wolf in a Sky Arena event and just happened to get it cause I wouldn't spend on the event. I thought it was pretty useless at that time, how wrong was I. i am probably old school still using warlock for grimoire protean V.. warlock setup for this grimoire is time consuming...too bad no wolf...anyway protean V is good up to a certain amount for your damager... utility cards better avoid protean.. Share the deck plz? Btw Is Prayer 6 good enough or Shud I push on to 7,8? Or Get another Warlock?
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Post by asgarth1980 on Jun 1, 2018 9:38:28 GMT
i am probably old school still using warlock for grimoire protean V.. warlock setup for this grimoire is time consuming...too bad no wolf...anyway protean V is good up to a certain amount for your damager... utility cards better avoid protean.. Share the deck plz? Btw Is Prayer 6 good enough or Shud I push on to 7,8? Or Get another Warlock? i have no choice to go warlock because i had 6 Fa oracle and no spare and lazy to farm.. Basically warlock.. 6 Fa oracle, 1 immunity 7+ oracle, 1 swordmaster bless, 1 chimera bless and 1 dragonlord (faen).. Cons : 1:need manual placement until chain strike and bulleyes guys are out.. 2: need hero vigor v atleast level 8 (7 is marginal) 3: freezing dance on warlock 4: instant kill may mess u up if come out late Item 1: need put chimera or swordmaster in front of chain guy AND need put immunity oracle or chimera on bulleyes guy
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Post by ningthou on Jun 1, 2018 11:04:53 GMT
Share the deck plz? Btw Is Prayer 6 good enough or Shud I push on to 7,8? Or Get another Warlock? i have no choice to go warlock because i had 6 Fa oracle and no spare and lazy to farm.. Basically warlock.. 6 Fa oracle, 1 immunity 7+ oracle, 1 swordmaster bless, 1 chimera bless and 1 dragonlord (faen).. Cons : 1:need manual placement until chain strike and bulleyes guys are out.. 2: need hero vigor v atleast level 8 (7 is marginal) 3: freezing dance on warlock 4: instant kill may mess u up if come out late Item 1: need put chimera or swordmaster in front of chain guy AND need put immunity oracle or chimera on bulleyes guy Thanks Why chimera? though
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Post by asgarth1980 on Jun 1, 2018 15:38:57 GMT
i have no choice to go warlock because i had 6 Fa oracle and no spare and lazy to farm.. Basically warlock.. 6 Fa oracle, 1 immunity 7+ oracle, 1 swordmaster bless, 1 chimera bless and 1 dragonlord (faen).. Cons : 1:need manual placement until chain strike and bulleyes guys are out.. 2: need hero vigor v atleast level 8 (7 is marginal) 3: freezing dance on warlock 4: instant kill may mess u up if come out late Item 1: need put chimera or swordmaster in front of chain guy AND need put immunity oracle or chimera on bulleyes guy Thanks Why chimera? though 2 turner and magic damage is greatly reduced... good against bulleyes card.. if bulleye card got 4k attk.. plua all the magic damage.. u need to survive that..so magic reduction useful
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Jun 1, 2018 16:48:36 GMT
Share the deck plz? Btw Is Prayer 6 good enough or Shud I push on to 7,8? Or Get another Warlock? i have no choice to go warlock because i had 6 Fa oracle and no spare and lazy to farm.. Basically warlock.. 6 Fa oracle, 1 immunity 7+ oracle, 1 swordmaster bless, 1 chimera bless and 1 dragonlord (faen).. Cons : 1:need manual placement until chain strike and bulleyes guys are out.. 2: need hero vigor v atleast level 8 (7 is marginal) 3: freezing dance on warlock 4: instant kill may mess u up if come out late Item 1: need put chimera or swordmaster in front of chain guy AND need put immunity oracle or chimera on bulleyes guy
I'm suprised this works well, or does worlock go off every turn (high level bless runes required?) to keep everyone blessing?
Worlock does negate the rip, can you sub in other humans with bless - sereph is used in th royal guard one. I guess royal dragon, grand mage and cleric could work with bless too.
chimera and sm of magi at a guess
6 FA oracles is still a fair amount to farm, my guess is they are pretty mandatory for this to work
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Jun 1, 2018 16:49:50 GMT
whats the success % for this?
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Post by asgarth1980 on Jun 1, 2018 22:08:02 GMT
whats the success % for this? depends what level of rune u have.. i have a hero vigor rune V level 10.. 1 level 10 human vigor rune and all my cards have level 5 protean 4/5 and vitality 5 level 5.. and with 3 artefact hp addition.. now it works 100%... Without thoae not so great .. it is the leaat successful setup and hardest to layout
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Post by 1501✪NFS on Jun 2, 2018 9:23:14 GMT
i have no choice to go warlock because i had 6 Fa oracle and no spare and lazy to farm.. Basically warlock.. 6 Fa oracle, 1 immunity 7+ oracle, 1 swordmaster bless, 1 chimera bless and 1 dragonlord (faen).. Cons : 1:need manual placement until chain strike and bulleyes guys are out.. 2: need hero vigor v atleast level 8 (7 is marginal) 3: freezing dance on warlock 4: instant kill may mess u up if come out late Item 1: need put chimera or swordmaster in front of chain guy AND need put immunity oracle or chimera on bulleyes guy
I'm suprised this works well, or does worlock go off every turn (high level bless runes required?) to keep everyone blessing?
Worlock does negate the rip, can you sub in other humans with bless - sereph is used in th royal guard one. I guess royal dragon, grand mage and cleric could work with bless too.
chimera and sm of magi at a guess
6 FA oracles is still a fair amount to farm, my guess is they are pretty mandatory for this to work
Seraph, royal dragon, grandmage and cleric cant work so well if compared to chimera & SM, since they dont have immunity, maji shield and they are low hp if compared to oracle. I used royal dragon & seraph last time, the win rate is better after i replaced them with chimera. The best skills for warlock in protean setup are freezing dance and divine shield.
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n4k3dm1k3
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Jun 4, 2018 16:02:05 GMT
whats the success % for this? depends what level of rune u have.. i have a hero vigor rune V level 10.. 1 level 10 human vigor rune and all my cards have level 5 protean 4/5 and vitality 5 level 5.. and with 3 artefact hp addition.. now it works 100%... Without thoae not so great .. it is the leaat successful setup and hardest to layout with hero V-10 I bet you can make alot of things work OK - Imagine it as 20 rounds a bless healing you have extra to play with
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