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Post by Somar [BK] on Jun 25, 2015 9:17:32 GMT
By now I have 5 4* heroes
Wight Berserker Devil Hunter Dragon Ruder Royal Guard
I'm already on my way to get predator as i feel it offers me something different than DH for faen decks.
But the other 2 I'm not that eager to get them.
Since I got dragon ryder I can't find a single use for royal guard. Every fight I use humans DR just seems far superior and I even tested them with the same deck in the same sitiations and RD always outperforms RG.
I feel the same way about the panda and deathmorth.
There is no single situation where I find they can be more usefull than Wight or berserker.
But I might be wrong.
Has anyone found panda more useful than berserker or deathmorth to be better than Wight in any situation?
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Jun 25, 2015 11:26:47 GMT
Short answer? No.
Long answer? If you want another hero, get a duplicate IMO. I wouldn't with DR or Berserker- they're just infinitely better in almost every situation than their counterparts, their skillset doesn't need to change, you only need 1 of them, and they get so ridiculously good at lv 10 that you want to focus 100% of your shards on them.
For Wight, I think it's very worthwhile to get a second Wight before getting Deathmort. Just my opinion, but I think lv 6/7 death curse is plenty, you don't actually need more than that. Sure, it scales higher- but you've already got enough output for guild maps, and it already kills fast in PvP. A second Wight gives you a dedicated guild map, extra options in tournaments- and it's just SO MUCH BETTER than Deathmort.
I'd agree that Predator and Devil Hunter are interchangeable, they're by far the most balanced hero pairing. Probably worth getting them both- I started working on Predator, but I stopped because I was running out of guild credits and I needed them for other heros.
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Post by Shaddai✪NFS on Jun 25, 2015 14:35:08 GMT
It's not that it's better. But you can put skills on it so you don't have to reroll other heroes. For instance, I use Wight in my main deck. He's just the overall best hero and is great for a Mortii deck. But I also have Deathmort for the simple fact I use it for Hero Killing. (People might say, why not Chaos Witch?) I've used Chaos Witch in the past and it's a good filler. Especially with it's ultimate ability. However, you can only assign 1 skill to it and sometimes you just want two of them. In this case I use Deathmort with Undying and Shadow Hex when I want to Hero Kill and I have not looked back. I can easily kill any non-summon hero no matter what level it is. (Once I get runes to reduce enemy rage, I'll be able to smash the summon heroes also) With Chaos Witch, I had trouble staying alive long enough to kill 4 star heroes. (Added that Deathmort has a puppet that reduces damage he takes, it keeps him alive even longer while you replay your witches brought back from Undying.)
I know Paw Master is supposedly really good once he's leveled up since he negates rebirth and can do some nice damage with elixir. However, since I still have Angel Prime, I just use a Human deck with Dragon Rider and it does the trick most of the time.
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Post by Somar [BK] on Jun 25, 2015 15:23:50 GMT
Buying shards for 5 4* at the same time just drains my guild bank very fast.
Adding 2 more heroes seems unnecessary.
Specially since the only use i see for them is to lead my alt decks in guild wars. A feat that I really don't care that much about since my current set of heroes already caps all i can gain there.
If someone tells me I'm missing something big and that either paw master or deathmorth can get me through a situation none of the heroes i own can. I might reconsider.
But right now just feels like an unecessary way of burning my guild credits.
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Jun 25, 2015 16:50:53 GMT
Royal Guard is best used in a pure defensive set up. Use lots of Frost Armor and you should beat setups that Dragon Rider can't.
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Post by Opethian on Jun 25, 2015 20:02:18 GMT
I'm also a collector so while I can see the benefits of having multiple Wights, I'd get bored if I did so.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jun 29, 2015 8:01:55 GMT
I don't really like Berserker that much, he might be better than Paw Master, but i find my Paw Master equally good if not better. Three boars can be dealt with centaur chiefs and other miasma creatures, but i find fiery elixir more useful, good for killing harbingers and light braves with recycle. Every Hero is good on it's own i guess, it is what you want to achieve with them that matters. I used to underestimate Predator as the weakest Hero, thought he was pretty useless, until i faced pretty nice Predator based Faen decks. I only have 4 4*Heroes at the moment(One of each faction), i don't plan on getting anymore, as i am a 100% free player and I want to get my Dragon Rider to level 8 as soon as possible.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Jun 29, 2015 13:11:15 GMT
I don't really like Berserker that much, he might be better than Paw Master, but i find my Paw Master equally good if not better. Three boars can be dealt with centaur chiefs and other miasma creatures, but i find fiery elixir more useful, good for killing harbingers and light braves with recycle. Every Hero is good on it's own i guess, it is what you want to achieve with them that matters. I used to underestimate Predator as the weakest Hero, thought he was pretty useless, until i faced pretty nice Predator based Faen decks. I only have 4 4*Heroes at the moment(One of each faction), i don't plan on getting anymore, as i am a 100% free player and I want to get my Dragon Rider to level 8 as soon as possible. Easier said than done, man. Berserker (and Neander in general) are normally offensive. Every hero can be dealt with if you're picking the deck to take it out. If the only thing that counters Berserker is Centaur Chiefs (which it isn't, and Chiefs alone far from guarantee beating it) then that just puts Berserker that far ahead of the pack. If you have to rely on a single hard counter to beat it, then you have problems. Think about the decks Berserker utterly wrecks. Curse decks? Berserker laughs at them. If you set it up correctly with delay and buffs, a well made Neander deck with Berserker is horrifying. Whenever I see Paw Master in tournaments, I laugh and wreck it with my own Neander deck. It really is far superior, and I think you're underestimating it just like you did with Predator.
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Post by Opethian on Jun 29, 2015 16:25:47 GMT
Looks like someone struck a nerve with derpy. He's usually cool until you make him laugh. LOL
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jun 30, 2015 7:07:15 GMT
I don't really like Berserker that much, he might be better than Paw Master, but i find my Paw Master equally good if not better. Three boars can be dealt with centaur chiefs and other miasma creatures, but i find fiery elixir more useful, good for killing harbingers and light braves with recycle. Every Hero is good on it's own i guess, it is what you want to achieve with them that matters. I used to underestimate Predator as the weakest Hero, thought he was pretty useless, until i faced pretty nice Predator based Faen decks. I only have 4 4*Heroes at the moment(One of each faction), i don't plan on getting anymore, as i am a 100% free player and I want to get my Dragon Rider to level 8 as soon as possible. Easier said than done, man. Berserker (and Neander in general) are normally offensive. Every hero can be dealt with if you're picking the deck to take it out. If the only thing that counters Berserker is Centaur Chiefs (which it isn't, and Chiefs alone far from guarantee beating it) then that just puts Berserker that far ahead of the pack. If you have to rely on a single hard counter to beat it, then you have problems. Think about the decks Berserker utterly wrecks. Curse decks? Berserker laughs at them. If you set it up correctly with delay and buffs, a well made Neander deck with Berserker is horrifying. Whenever I see Paw Master in tournaments, I laugh and wreck it with my own Neander deck. It really is far superior, and I think you're underestimating it just like you did with Predator. I don't underestimate Berserker, that is why i said Berserker is probably better than Paw Master in general, it's just that i like Paw Master better. My opinion might change once i use Berserker on my own though.. My current neander deck is set up with Paw Master. I only have one summoner Hero Dragon Rider right now, and i want to use all the Gauntlet resources just on him, so that i can reach lvl 8+. That is why i am not planning on getting any other summoner Hero at the moment. Hoping to get Warlock and Overlord soon, waiting too long, a hard grind for months.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Jun 30, 2015 11:55:28 GMT
Easier said than done, man. Berserker (and Neander in general) are normally offensive. Every hero can be dealt with if you're picking the deck to take it out. If the only thing that counters Berserker is Centaur Chiefs (which it isn't, and Chiefs alone far from guarantee beating it) then that just puts Berserker that far ahead of the pack. If you have to rely on a single hard counter to beat it, then you have problems. Think about the decks Berserker utterly wrecks. Curse decks? Berserker laughs at them. If you set it up correctly with delay and buffs, a well made Neander deck with Berserker is horrifying. Whenever I see Paw Master in tournaments, I laugh and wreck it with my own Neander deck. It really is far superior, and I think you're underestimating it just like you did with Predator. I don't underestimate Berserker, that is why i said Berserker is probably better than Paw Master in general, it's just that i like Paw Master better. My opinion might change once i use Berserker on my own though.. My current neander deck is set up with Paw Master. I only have one summoner Hero Dragon Rider right now, and i want to use all the Gauntlet resources just on him, so that i can reach lvl 8+. That is why i am not planning on getting any other summoner Hero at the moment. Hoping to get Warlock and Overlord soon, waiting too long, a hard grind for months. Hmmm. I dont question you, because dragon rider is beast, but if you're getting warlock why focus on dragon rider so hard? A well leveled berserker would probably fit you better. Once you get warlock, dragon rider may become obsolete. I have the same dilemma but I get enough gauntlet shards to buy both easily so its ok. If I could choose one only its berserker.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jul 1, 2015 3:53:42 GMT
I don't underestimate Berserker, that is why i said Berserker is probably better than Paw Master in general, it's just that i like Paw Master better. My opinion might change once i use Berserker on my own though.. My current neander deck is set up with Paw Master. I only have one summoner Hero Dragon Rider right now, and i want to use all the Gauntlet resources just on him, so that i can reach lvl 8+. That is why i am not planning on getting any other summoner Hero at the moment. Hoping to get Warlock and Overlord soon, waiting too long, a hard grind for months. Hmmm. I dont question you, because dragon rider is beast, but if you're getting warlock why focus on dragon rider so hard? A well leveled berserker would probably fit you better. Once you get warlock, dragon rider may become obsolete. I have the same dilemma but I get enough gauntlet shards to buy both easily so its ok. If I could choose one only its berserker. I didn't even think about Warlock and Dragon Rider disputing each other, I like DR but i also like Warlock . It would be hard to set up two different good human decks with Warlock and Dragon Rider in the tournament. My gauntlet is getting tougher, at the moment i don't run out of shards from gauntlet mall but yesterday at 12/15 i faced a lvl8 Thor with 4 disposals a Great Mystic and Hippo (all i ever did was have a max deck power of 7600 so why are these guys appearing) . If things go like this then i would be hard for me to get Berserker. I have changed guilds yesterday, so i am hoping i have enough guild credits from there. It would like to get a Berkserker, but i don't know if maintaining a fifth 4* Hero would be economical, I am only a f2p player.
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Post by mingying on Jul 1, 2015 4:49:51 GMT
In my experience, the ultimate counter to all summon hero would be queen temptress... Was stuck on 11-4 for weeks due to boars, then i put 1 queen and berserker never got to summon any boars
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jul 1, 2015 6:13:55 GMT
In my experience, the ultimate counter to all summon hero would be queen temptress... Was stuck on 11-4 for weeks due to boars, then i put 1 queen and berserker never got to summon any boars Queen Temptress is hands down the most useful if not best daily log in card. Very useful in Gauntlets (also sometimes in trails) to save butts from Wight's death curse and cloning Heroes. Once you get a lot of Frost Armour creatures on your deck and have the QT in the rightmost side, heroes like Armageddon and Oceanus have absolutely no effect on your deck. I sometimes wonder if a 6 timer on her would have been any better..? 6 timer and that immunity is not that either, half of the time she will be able to tackle disposal and successfully deploy on right side in auto battles.
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Post by mingying on Jul 1, 2015 6:15:13 GMT
I agree! I am tempted to evolve her though... Praying that she would get stabthrough 1 would be very powerful
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Post by Somar [BK] on Jul 1, 2015 7:46:47 GMT
Guess no one can come with a definitive answer.
For now I see no point in going for deathmorth and paw master.
Might change opinion later or even regret the option. Hope not.
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Jul 1, 2015 12:07:08 GMT
I just acquired my 6th 4* Hero. Just need Paw Master and Predator.
I'm getting all 8 eventually because I like having variety for whatever situation arises.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jul 2, 2015 4:50:53 GMT
I just acquired my 6th 4* Hero. Just need Paw Master and Predator. I'm getting all 8 eventually because I like having variety for whatever situation arises. Very useful for guild battles.
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