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Post by BK✦GamerGurl33 on Jul 19, 2015 4:04:57 GMT
I ran into a pretty interesting deck today in the Sky Arena. My newly minted Wight Level 1 with Undying Level 1 and a deck full of Rebirthers and Recyclers, was able to hold him off for 40 rounds, but they just hacked away at Wight's HP until he died, even though I still had creatures remaining. I really didn't expect to beat him with my Wight only being Level 1, but it made me wonder, what hero/team could beat this combination. I'm guessing the hero's talent would need to do enemy hero damage but would that be enough?
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Enemy Hero: Devil Hunter Lvl 76 , Skill Lvl 7, with Faen Aura 8, Burst Fire 9, and Agile 7
Dream Guide melded w/ Instakill Phoenix Lvl 10 Horned Beast melded w/ Recycle 1 Swordmaster melded w/ Recycle 2 Lightbrave melded w/ Recycle 1
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Post by Sytry on Jul 19, 2015 5:05:56 GMT
Paragon + Retreat + Disposal. Very easy to beat for people with decent guilds.
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Post by sonbalin on Jul 19, 2015 5:31:23 GMT
Even without Paragon, Retreat and Disposal that's pretty easily beatable.
With only 5 cards you can just take over the board and kill the enemy hero, even without a Curse/Stabthrough deck. The Dream Guide is probably going to be the most annoying card to deal with due to Instakill with innate rebirth & 3 recyclers - It'll probably die in the same round it's played meaning it's Instakill will be used over & over. As long as you have 2 Recyclers it should be managable though as you'll have a steady flow of cards coming back. Apart from that the deck is low on damage apart from Phoenix, a couple of Mass Heals will work wonders.
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Post by BK✦GamerGurl33 on Jul 19, 2015 5:35:12 GMT
Paragon + Retreat + Disposal. Very easy to beat for people with decent guilds. Well, I'd say I have a pretty decent guild , but my question was concerning what cards could beat this deck. Thanks for your answer.
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Post by BK✦GamerGurl33 on Jul 19, 2015 6:09:56 GMT
Even without Paragon, Retreat and Disposal that's pretty easily beatable. With only 5 cards you can just take over the board and kill the enemy hero, even without a Curse/Stabthrough deck. The Dream Guide is probably going to be the most annoying card to deal with due to Instakill with innate rebirth & 3 recyclers - It'll probably die in the same round it's played meaning it's Instakill will be used over & over. As long as you have 2 Recyclers it should be managable though as you'll have a steady flow of cards coming back. Apart from that the deck is low on damage apart from Phoenix, a couple of Mass Heals will work wonders. Thanks, sonbalin, I knew you'd have an answer . I think wait times could be a factor too, since my Thalassa and Spirit Siren are 6's, Harbinger and Dullahan, both with 4's and Manticore is a 2. All the enemy's cards were 4's except Swordmaster which is a 2. I was also using Ursa which has Stabthrough but no recycle/rebirth. Also, even though my Wight has Undying you have to wait for it to trigger, and Level 1 is only 25% chance. In my case even though my cards were coming back, I was often left without enough creatures to cover the enemy's board, so Wight had to take the hits. Had Oracle in for Mass Heal but probably could have used another.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 6:15:41 GMT
Other than that Phoenix, the instakill looks like the only major threat; with a few solid Stoneskin creatures you could probably do a lot of damage. Keeping a healer on the board to keep out of range of the Entangle might be difficult, though.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Immunity apply its percent-to-protect against things like Retreat and Instakill? That'd double up as protection from the Phoenix. Horned Beast would be great--Immunity and Mass Heal to help against the Entangle.
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Post by BK✦GamerGurl33 on Jul 19, 2015 6:21:03 GMT
Other than that Phoenix, the instakill looks like the only major threat; with a few solid Stoneskin creatures you could probably do a lot of damage. Keeping a healer on the board to keep out of range of the Entangle might be difficult, though. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Immunity apply its percent-to-protect against things like Retreat and Instakill? That'd double up as protection from the Phoenix. Horned Beast would be great--Immunity and Mass Heal to help against the Entangle. Kerredar, I was using Dullahan for Stoneskin, Spider Queen for Immunity, and Oracle for Mass Heal.
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Post by sonbalin on Jul 19, 2015 6:25:53 GMT
Immunity does protect from Instakill/Retreat/Disposal, yes. Regarding wait timers, 6 timers would definitely play against you in this fight. One Mass heal wouldn't be enough to cover the Phoenix's Pyre, especially if it has a Fire rune. It's a strange situation with heals vs Devil Hunter too - they tend to be more effective on the left of the board than the right which isn't usually the case; reason being you want to heal your heavy hitters before their turn so their HP is high enough to attack through Entangle. It just sounds like the deck was a bit of a counter to yours BK✦GamerGurl33
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 10:05:27 GMT
Just tank a bit till all 3 recyclers are on the field and kill them all in one round then pick off the rest
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Post by rainman2412✪NFS on Jul 19, 2015 13:11:58 GMT
The best card to counter this deck would definitely be Anathema, multiple copies ideally. Protects against the instakill and the bullseye plus gas cloud can kill those dodgy enemies rather efficiently. I use this approach very frequently in Gauntlet and I'm always very glad that I have 3 Anathema's to utilize. Ideally you could wait until all three recyclers are on the field and then deploy the Anathemas along with a Liege or Siren to lock down the Light Brave and Swordmaster. A level 15 Anathema can one hit a Horned Beast if it happens to get hit by Gas Cloud.
For maximum effectiveness, having one disposal card in reserve to hit the Light Brave rebirth would make this pretty simple.
Had to be pretty annoying to get beat by this deck though, slow and painful lol.
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Post by BK✦GamerGurl33 on Jul 19, 2015 18:17:06 GMT
Hi, rainman2412, thanks for your comment.
I'm only about two months into the game and completely f2p so I don't have Anathema or many 5* creatures. I had just gotten Wight, my first 4* hero, the night before, so I wasn't really expecting to beat this enemy because I haven't used him enough to know what he's capable of, and he's only Level 1.
It's really hard for me to figure out which creatures/skills to use to battle various enemies. However, from many of the comments in this thread, I had a pretty decent deck against this enemy with a lot of the necessary skills to counteract his team. So that's why I was able to hold him off for 40 rounds. It just wasn't enough to conquer him, and not knowing the right counter skills, it seemed to me that perhaps it was an unbeatable deck. Players such as yourself and the others who've replied really help me in learning to what to use against the different enemies and skills, which right now is the most difficult part of the game for me.
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Jul 19, 2015 19:37:54 GMT
Use a standard Curse deck.
This enemy deck is like some of the later dungeons in Explorer's Gate where it's best to ignore the creatures and go right for the Hero.
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Post by rainman2412✪NFS on Jul 19, 2015 20:47:15 GMT
No problem Gamer, there are lots of people on here with good advice and willing to help.
After hearing that you are relatively new to the game, I would adapt my answer to this:
To overcome this very specific scenario, you have a few options including (1) disposal cards (hard to find), (2) build a curse deck (not that hard to get, browse forum to find out how to do this), (3) build a deck with lots of Stoneskin (many creatures to choose from) and outlast him
However, my comment on Anathema is more useful for you as you progress in the game and start to accumulate cards. As you improve, you will encounter more and more creatures with Dodge and/or Immunity and/or Frost Armor (because they are all awesome skills). Creatures with Bullseye (Anathema, Pit Dragon, Angel Prime, Paladin) are very good cards to counter these and you should keep and upgrade them whenever you acquire one.
I hope this revision is more useful to you in both the short and long-term.
Good luck!
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Post by BK✦GamerGurl33 on Jul 19, 2015 21:00:18 GMT
Thanks, rainman. I really appreciate all the advice and will definitely use it in my future battles.
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Post by tanisomsford on Jul 19, 2015 22:18:55 GMT
Since it was sky arena, spiky bits would have shredded this deck. All the recyclers are low HP creatures, so, if you can control when the phoenix comes out, then Blamo! The phoenix Does the work for you.
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Post by sonbalin on Jul 19, 2015 22:31:40 GMT
Since it was sky arena, spiky bits would have shredded this deck. All the recyclers are low HP creatures, so, if you can control when the phoenix comes out, then Blamo! The phoenix Does the work for you. That's got a 50% chance of failure even executed perfectly to be fair, due to Rebirth on Light Brave. By the time he comes back into play all your spiky bits are gone and if Phoenix & Dream Guide happened to Rebirth too then he'd have a 100% chance of Recycling another Recycler. You'd even need 3 Disposals ready to play to guarantee you can Dispose the Light Brave due to all 3 Rebirth Cards having a 4 timer. Spiky Bits does work great against it for the initial clear though, it just isn't a guaranteed win by itself like it can be against some decks.
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