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Post by stuuu✪NFS on Mar 10, 2015 15:20:01 GMT
So Stoneskin nerfs Disposal, Instakill, and Retreat. Disposal in particular is a highly coveted skill, but there are no creatures with both Stoneskin and Disposal. Therefore, it is possible if not likely to get into a Disposal war that simply comes down to luck. For those of us that are tired of getting beat by Disposal, we start putting in melded Graboids, Horned Beast (immunity not Stoneskin) and Dullahans. Then something interesting happens. Disposal isn't as good when the majority of an opponent's deck has Stoneskin so then people start taking out disposal. With disposal gone, Stoneskin is a wasted skill so people start taking out their marginal Stoneskin creatures and Disposal starts making a comeback. At some point the strategies reach an equilibrium and we end up with something like 2 Disposal and 5 Stoneskin per arena deck. The caveats are that some creatures are good regardless such as Nidhogg, Gorgon, and Graboid with Battleblow. Therefore Dullahans and Horned Beasts become the main swing creatures.
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Mar 10, 2015 15:36:56 GMT
I've never really removed my disposals for any reason, the only place they really have a chance to fail in that sense is in Arena where you can't place them as you want. Also, I intend to meld my graboid with sacrifice.. not so sure why Battleblow is a more popular meld, to each his own I suppose
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Post by stuuu✪NFS on Mar 10, 2015 15:50:57 GMT
It's more popular because sacrifice means you lose a random creature. If that creature is a disposal creature, then that could work out ok, but since it's random you could just as easily lose an uber creature like Great Mystic. I still think sacrifice is good, but battleblow gets the edge.
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Post by dbreezy✪NFS on Mar 10, 2015 15:52:03 GMT
I agree with zachs about always keeping disposals in deck. They are just too good almost all the time. As for the stoneskin vs disposal, I think it will always be a balance. The difference is you really only need stoneskin at the highest level of pvp since the rest of us only have 1 or 2 disposals.
Separate note, zachs why sacrifice for graboid over battleblow (I've never actually used a sacrifice creature)?
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Post by stuuu✪NFS on Mar 10, 2015 16:01:47 GMT
I agree with zachs about always keeping disposals in deck. They are just too good almost all the time. As for the stoneskin vs disposal, I think it will always be a balance. The difference is you really only need stoneskin at the highest level of pvp since the rest of us only have 1 or 2 disposals. Separate note, zachs why sacrifice for graboid over battleblow (I've never actually used a sacrifice creature)? As to the Disposal part, it depends on what you're alternatives are, but suppose you have sweet Neander and Mortil and you also have a Balthazar. Balthazar doesn't do a whole lot once it's out so sometimes you're just sitting on it waiting for your opponent to have something good and non-stoneskin on the right. Even then, you get to rid them of a creature that might not be much better than your replacement for Balthazar. I only have one Disposal and if I had two I would always run them both. But 3? Possibly not.
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Mar 10, 2015 16:29:41 GMT
I know that I use Cyclops and two Gorgons almost exclusively for the Instakill/Disposal. Makes every battle a 10 on 7 fight if I place them right.
Gorgon has the extra perk of having Delay 3 also, further enhancing my survivability and, therefore my chances to win.
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Post by Monkey Lord on Mar 11, 2015 6:55:48 GMT
In our arena, I usually end the day in rank 1-5, and I have watched this play out for a while now. One deck has a blood elf, a viggdryad and eight disposal creatures. That deck is almost always top five. Another more interesting deck is Deathfire's deck which I have to play against often in the gauntlet. It uses four disposals, one instakill, and heavy magic damage from two great mystics and two evolved flame braves (random skills), also one Hippolyta. After a quick count, I can see only 13 creatures with immunity or stoneskin in the top ten decks. Intakill retreat and disposal have a combined 38 occurances, suggesting that at the top, the equilibrium is about 3:1 in favor of install/retreat/disposal (at least in my arena).
Seals/delay creatures show up at 28. Seals Delay has also proven its worth and I expect the same sort of cat and mouse routine to begin with immunity/unbound. Pit dragons and evolved hell knights are becomming a popular countermeasure, and I've also had success with Ash Beasts.
The main problem is that unbound creatures are still vulnerable to disposal/r/ik and stonestin creatures are still vulnerable to seals/delay. That graboid with sacrifice can be held with seals or delay and eventually a Devil Hunter. Ash beast has only a ~62% chance of seeing play without being disposed of.
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Mar 11, 2015 14:55:52 GMT
I agree with zachs about always keeping disposals in deck. They are just too good almost all the time. As for the stoneskin vs disposal, I think it will always be a balance. The difference is you really only need stoneskin at the highest level of pvp since the rest of us only have 1 or 2 disposals. Separate note, zachs why sacrifice for graboid over battleblow (I've never actually used a sacrifice creature)? Sacrifice increases the creature's attack and hp by 120%, so looking at a Graboid with ~1747 Attack ~3529 HP, and Sweeping blow, killer card right there, plus he has Stoneskin as an added bonus. Sacrificing a creature is not a problem, my deck is based on Undying and Recycle, most times I sacrifice strategically as well, for instance if I get Venom Tyrant and Undying will same draw, I play both together, Venom Tyrant consumes it, and a random enemy card is killed (usually)
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Post by dbreezy✪NFS on Mar 11, 2015 15:02:09 GMT
Sacrifice increases the creature's attack and hp by 120%, so looking at a Graboid with ~1747 Attack ~3529 HP, and Sweeping blow, killer card right there, plus he has Stoneskin as an added bonus. Sacrificing a creature is not a problem, my deck is based on Undying and Recycle, most times I sacrifice strategically as well, for instance if I get Venom Tyrant and Undying will same draw, I play both together, Venom Tyrant consumes it, and a random enemy card is killed (usually) Holy crap those stats! You have convinced me How do you intend to meld that on there? Venom Tyrant? Seems like a rough road with a glorious finish!
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Mar 11, 2015 15:05:12 GMT
Sacrifice increases the creature's attack and HP by 120%, so looking at a Graboid with ~1747 Attack ~3529 HP, and Sweeping blow, killer card right there, plus he has Stoneskin as an added bonus. Sacrificing a creature is not a problem, my deck is based on Undying and Recycle, most times I sacrifice strategically as well, for instance if I get Venom Tyrant and Undying will same draw, I play both together, Venom Tyrant consumes it, and a random enemy card is killed (usually) Holy crap those stats! You have convinced me How do you intend to meld that on there? Venom Tyrant? Seems like a rough road with a glorious finish! Yep, already have the venom tyrant and a lvl 15 graboid, farming the duplicate graboids is rather bothersome though, with the poor drop rates for 4* shards
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Mar 11, 2015 15:07:44 GMT
I agree with zachs about always keeping disposals in deck. They are just too good almost all the time. As for the stoneskin vs disposal, I think it will always be a balance. The difference is you really only need stoneskin at the highest level of pvp since the rest of us only have 1 or 2 disposals. Separate note, zachs why sacrifice for graboid over battleblow (I've never actually used a sacrifice creature)? Sacrifice increases the creature's attack and hp by 120%, so looking at a Graboid with ~1747 Attack ~3529 HP, and Sweeping blow, killer card right there, plus he has Stoneskin as an added bonus. Sacrificing a creature is not a problem, my deck is based on Undying and Recycle, most times I sacrifice strategically as well, for instance if I get Venom Tyrant and Undying will same draw, I play both together, Venom Tyrant consumes it, and a random enemy card is killed (usually) Drop a Frost Armor + Block creature in front of that Graboid and you completely neuter it.
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Mar 11, 2015 15:13:22 GMT
Sacrifice increases the creature's attack and hp by 120%, so looking at a Graboid with ~1747 Attack ~3529 HP, and Sweeping blow, killer card right there, plus he has Stoneskin as an added bonus. Sacrificing a creature is not a problem, my deck is based on Undying and Recycle, most times I sacrifice strategically as well, for instance if I get Venom Tyrant and Undying will same draw, I play both together, Venom Tyrant consumes it, and a random enemy card is killed (usually) Drop a Frost Armor + Block creature in front of that Graboid and you completely neuter it. True, but this card is for specific use, mostly arena, not many people have frost armour or block in the top 20, they're all about seals and disposals, great use for certain maps as well, situational, pretty much like Venom Tyrant
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Mar 11, 2015 15:16:30 GMT
Yeah man, not at all saying not do it. If I ever get to map 10 I'm sacrificing Venom Tyrant to Meld Sacrifice to a Graboid too.
Just be careful and always check your opponent's deck.
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Mar 11, 2015 15:26:08 GMT
Yeah man, not at all saying not do it. If I ever get to map 10 I'm sacrificing Venom Tyrant to Meld Sacrifice to a Graboid too. Just be careful and always check your opponent's deck. Yep, that's a given for me now, learned the hard way too many times, lol
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Post by R✰Slippo on Mar 11, 2015 17:59:25 GMT
I originally thought I'd go sacrifice on my Graboid as well, but am now leaning towards recycle. With the upcoming 5* meld, I thinking about saving my 120% sacrifice to see what I get lucky with in the 5* area. Just think about Sacrifice on a Phantom liege.... Since I only have the one graboid atm, I guess I have a couple months to figure that out most likely (~3 shards a day is rough on that drop rate). Played a guy in the Gauntlet last night that ran Neander, name was Bladeee(could be more e's), and he had recycle 2 on one and lifesap on the other. that paired with 3 Nidhoggs and Hero hp buff made for 4k hp. Stupid just stupid op... O and he had Paragon...
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Post by thundergod on Mar 11, 2015 19:00:24 GMT
Unless you are willing to spend several thousand dollars, then good luck with the duplicates for the 5 stars. Also, I would rather have 5 Phantom Lieges than 1 melded one.
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Post by R✰Slippo on Mar 12, 2015 2:32:15 GMT
Unless you are willing to spend several thousand dollars, then good luck with the duplicates for the 5 stars. Also, I would rather have 5 Phantom Lieges than 1 melded one. Maybe Phantom Liege was a bad example I mainly meant that getting all those panther chiefs might make me rage quit so I'm being cautious about what I put that Sacrifice on before making that commitment.
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Post by SoaponaRope [BK] on Mar 12, 2015 3:09:57 GMT
I originally thought I'd go sacrifice on my Graboid as well, but am now leaning towards recycle. With the upcoming 5* meld, I thinking about saving my 120% sacrifice to see what I get lucky with in the 5* area. Just think about Sacrifice on a Phantom liege.... Since I only have the one graboid atm, I guess I have a couple months to figure that out most likely (~3 shards a day is rough on that drop rate). Played a guy in the Gauntlet last night that ran Neander, name was Bladeee(could be more e's), and he had recycle 2 on one and lifesap on the other. that paired with 3 Nidhoggs and Hero hp buff made for 4k hp. Stupid just stupid op... O and he had Paragon... 5-star Melds are going to be insane. There are so many ridiculous combos just waiting to be had, especially since some of the strongest Creature Skills are 5-star only melds. Problem for me is going to be Duplicates. I don't really understand how people are going to be melding 5-stars but I guess if you're willing to drop thousands of dollars then the sky's the limit. To be 100% honest, my best bet is probably to focus on trying to get a Melded Pheonix... I don't even know what skill I'd meld yet but he has Rebirth 8. Giving up that many Graboids is going to be tough to swallow though.
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