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Post by onewingangelffvii on Aug 2, 2015 14:47:11 GMT
So. For and it hard to make use of her and have her work good enough to hit hero a lot. What if melded stab through on her would that count and trigger osmose? Imagine that in a chaos witch curse deck. Can anyone test this? I don't have map 13 open so I can't farm her yet
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Post by Sytry [Exiled / SC] on Aug 2, 2015 14:55:12 GMT
So. For and it hard to make use of her and have her work good enough to hit hero a lot. What if melded stab through on her would that count and trigger osmose? Imagine that in a chaos witch curse deck. Can anyone test this? I don't have map 13 open so I can't farm her yet Highly doubt Stabthrough will work. But even if it did, Retreat is still the best meld on it. Taking into account how hard it is to farm, you need to think twice about what to meld on it.
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Aug 2, 2015 15:26:41 GMT
Stabthrough doesn't work for Osmose.
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Post by onewingangelffvii on Aug 2, 2015 16:01:18 GMT
Forgot about retreat. So what kind of deck do temptress fit into? How can u get the most out of osmose?
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Post by SilverSurfer on Aug 2, 2015 18:45:20 GMT
She fits perfectly into chaos witch deck. Meld her with discord 8 or delay 2 if ever you have to.
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Post by onewingangelffvii on Aug 3, 2015 2:38:51 GMT
She would fit perfectly if u could use her skill. Its hard to actually have her hit the hero. Especially in a curse deck your never gonna have the board empty enough for her to work right. Am I missing something here
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Post by Sytry on Aug 3, 2015 2:57:25 GMT
Only ONE meld worth using on QTempt right now, and that's Retreat (from Archdeva or Revenant). Keep board empty while your Temptress keeps taking enemy Rage and DW do work.
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Post by DH Suck It on Aug 3, 2015 14:12:57 GMT
If you read the creature discription, it says stabthrough should work....I thought I had awesome luck to use gems and have success on my first meld try, since I only had 2 from login rewards. Of course, it does not work. Wish I saw this post first. I sent them 5 request to fix (since I wasted gems) and they respond every single time that they do not understand since there is not enough info. Are they that dumb or just dont care? It would have been a nice little fit into the deck I am working on...but now has set me back some.
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Post by sonbalin on Aug 3, 2015 14:31:56 GMT
The creature description doesn't say Stabthrough should work. It doesn't even mention Stabthrough.
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Post by rainman2412✪NFS on Aug 3, 2015 14:37:16 GMT
DH, To answer your last question, IGG most certainly does not care. IMO, the description reads pretty clearly that stabthrough would not work. Stabthrough damage is definitively different than basic attack damage, even though stabthrough damage is calculated by your basic attack.
The same principle applies to Angel Prime, if you have stabthrough on him it will not trigger 20% damage to a Mortii hero unless he attacks the Hero directly.
Unfortunately, this is just a hard lesson learned for you (and everyone else on here).
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Post by DH Suck It on Aug 3, 2015 17:36:04 GMT
I was obvoiusly not stating that the description read "Stabthrough works on this creature". Ugh.
Osmose Reads: "when this creature deals basic attack damage to Enemy Hero, reduce....."
Stabtrough Reads: "Deals 90% of basic attack DMG deal to an enemy creature to the enemy Hero."
To me that clearly states the Osmose should kick in. I understand that the damage steams from an ability and not from the actual physical attack...so I can concede that arguement. At the very least, when you read it...the obvious conclusion is it should work and that is what should dictate the outcome. Remove the ambiguity if it does not work...
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Post by sonbalin on Aug 3, 2015 17:44:58 GMT
I meant what Rainman said really, I just worded it in a crappy way....Sorry about that.
Stabthrough is still a skill in itself, it merely scales off basic attack damage as it states. Osmose triggers when you do basic attack damage to a hero, as you stated, not when you do Stabthrough damage or any other skill based off basic attack damage.
I honestly don't think it's ambiguous, it does exactly what it says. I do wish it worked with Stabthrough though!
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Post by DH, Only Partially Suck It on Aug 3, 2015 18:10:06 GMT
I would even go further and state that Stabthrough discription itself is misleading:
"Deals 90% of basic attack DMG dealt to an enemy creature to the enemy Hero."
When I initially read this, I thought that it worked like a function, not an additional outcome: Creature attacks for 1000 damage, 900 to Hero and 100 to creature. Since using it, I know that is obviously not the case...so I should have looked at it from a better angle. Regardless, I still think it should be worded better....I have partly given in and changed my guest name accordingly...
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Post by sonbalin on Aug 3, 2015 18:20:03 GMT
I'd never actually read it like that but now you mention it that one can definitely be seen as a little ambiguous. I say a little as it does say "of basic attack damage dealt" which definitely implies you have to deal damage to the crit first.
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Post by rainman2412✪NFS on Aug 3, 2015 18:23:34 GMT
lol at the name change.
This isn't the only example of confusing wording from IGG. There are confusing things from creature skills not working quite like they are stated, to the timing and duration of the first Sky Arena event (that was a classic lol), to not actually stating how the Gauntlet works (nowhere on the description or official site does it say that opponents are decided by your deck power).
The summary is, assume zero logic from IGG and check on this forum if you want to know how something works. Trying things out solo to beat the system is a recipe for failure (or in this case, a stabthrough Queen Temptress lol)
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Post by DH, Only Partially Suck It on Aug 3, 2015 18:23:56 GMT
How about
"Deals additional direct damge to enemy hero, equal to x% of basic attack damage done to enemy creature."
Problem solved.
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Post by DH, F me, addicted regardless. on Aug 3, 2015 18:33:59 GMT
True on the wording of some cards...and yes, I will be looking at this forum before I make any more mistakes! Just about 8 weeks in of really playing...so pleny of things still to learn.
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Post by rainman2412✪NFS on Aug 3, 2015 19:26:52 GMT
Ah, so you just missed the hilarity of Sky Arena 1. They announced it as being a 7 day event. Many many people were obviously planning to spend a lot of gems in the last few hours to get the reward they wanted. What IGG actually meant was that it was a 4 day battle event and then they allowed 3 freaking days for the rewards to be claimed. So, everyone woke up on day 5 to find out that they couldn't battle anymore and were stuck with their rank. Zero communication from IGG on that whatsoever. Classic.
As someone who completely unintentionally "earned" Angel Prime due to this mistake, I loved it. Others, not so much.
Point being, don't trust IGG and asking their support for restitution for a mistake is even worse of an experience.
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Post by rafutela✪NFS on Aug 4, 2015 17:52:12 GMT
Hey, Did you know that if QT hit your hero (discord), she still reduce enemy rage and grow yours ? Just experienced it 2mn ago
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Post by Sytry on Aug 5, 2015 2:05:42 GMT
Hey, Did you know that if QT hit your hero (discord), she still reduce enemy rage and grow yours ? Just experienced it 2mn ago xD lol. Funniest interaction yet. +1, QT is now a counter to Discord decks.
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Post by greeklover on Aug 5, 2015 4:23:16 GMT
Point being, don't trust IGG and asking their support for restitution for a mistake is even worse of an experience. So true asked them if its possible to undo something i did by mistake (While trying to meld for the first time an Oracle with frost armor from Sentry Angel, first try failed second try was rushing and thinking as desired skilled frost armor would be auto selected failed to notice as desired skill was consecrate (i know... )). I didn't ask to get any cards back or coins just to change the meld attempt to frost armor.... I knew it was a long shot but i had to try. They answered quickly but not helpfully quote: "As we are unable to make any changes with regard to the actions completed in the game... that the feature to undo/revert actions and/or changed the melded skill is yet to be available in the game" ...
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Post by greeklover on Aug 5, 2015 4:25:45 GMT
True on the wording of some cards...and yes, I will be looking at this forum before I make any more mistakes! Just about 8 weeks in of really playing...so pleny of things still to learn. Either check forums first or what i just thought of is ask them through the game in a ticket...(hopefully they answer in this decade...)
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Post by Sithys [BK] on Aug 6, 2015 1:24:06 GMT
lol at the name change. This isn't the only example of confusing wording from IGG. There are confusing things from creature skills not working quite like they are stated, to the timing and duration of the first Sky Arena event (that was a classic lol), to not actually stating how the Gauntlet works (nowhere on the description or official site does it say that opponents are decided by your deck power). The summary is, assume zero logic from IGG and check on this forum if you want to know how something works. Trying things out solo to beat the system is a recipe for failure (or in this case, a stabthrough Queen Temptress lol) This. Exactly this. I like DH alot, we all do, that's why we're here of course, but IGG is so very bad at communication it's not even funny. Back on topic though, Basic damage is, always has been and likely always will be the primary creature hit. All effects above and beyond that are various other DMG types, whether the description clearly states it or not. I'd be astounded if the Heroic talent affected stabthrough damage as well, same premise as osmose.
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Post by onewingangelffvii on Aug 7, 2015 2:50:01 GMT
Alright so back on task, what is the best setup/build to get this girl to hit the hero quickly or better odds? Strategy?
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Post by sonbalin on Aug 7, 2015 3:02:35 GMT
Alright so back on task, what is the best setup/build to get this girl to hit the hero quickly or better odds? Strategy? Retreat is the obvious and most foolproof method - though obviously a lot of work and/or luck are required. Other than that, I sometimes use her with a 5 card deck in Gauntlet so I'm guaranteed to rush her out. This obviously isn't foolproof though as you're relying on your other 4 crits (and possibly hero) to maintain board control by themselves. Still, it's a workable option versus some Wight decks.
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