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Post by onewingangelffvii on Aug 4, 2015 23:26:36 GMT
I have gone about as far as you can go with a Mortii curse deck. I have multiple setups hero's/melds and I'm looking for a new obsession. I have been hearing interesting and fun ideas involving a Faen curse deck. So this will be a curse deck discussion strictly for Faen. I like Agni I started using her for raids due to lower power rank and have started to like her more now. So let's talk about the basics and also some new creative ideas here.
High Level Agni - but what runes and skills? Dream Healer - stab through, curse, what else ? Wood stalker - Discord ? Dream Guide - curse, discord, stab? Faen Mezmer - I'm not sure where to go with this one. I think life sap 8 might still be the best choice with her discordbut not sure ? Naga Mistress - curse. Maybe a stab through Ash Beast.
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Post by sonbalin on Aug 4, 2015 23:53:14 GMT
A Faen Curse deck just seems like too much hard work for too little reward to me - You'd be much better off with a Morti Curse deck or a Neander/Human Stabthrough deck.
Agni is obviously the main draw and can do respectable damage, more than Chaos Witch in fact. On the other hand she doesn't lower enemies rage and can't roll Shadow Hex.
Looking at your options, they're mainly lockdown cards which is going to slow your rage production down...Which is counter-productive as Agni is your best source of hero damage.
Stabthrough Ash Beast looks like the most respectable choice but is actually worse than a Stabthrough Graboid in many situations. I'm really not convinced about any of those options.
Maybe I'm missing something? I'd love to see this turn out to be effective but I just can't picture it with the limited options and no synergy between Creatures & Hero.
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Post by amidala on Aug 5, 2015 0:27:47 GMT
I'm getting mixed feeling of word 'curse' being use too easy here. Mortii curse deck could be a curse by cave dragon's fatigue as well, and not necessarily voodoo by DW.
I am assuming we're looking to create a hero killer deck with faen as main faction? I think if the aim is to kill the hero, Discord and stab meld throughout the faen crit's would be one way looking at it.
If you have creatures with melded with stabthrough, it might be great and work well as well with Devil hunter, to lock down their physical attack, but DH won't work well with discord creature.
Without voodoo, I can't think of a good way to lock down the opponent hero's skill, and let alone fighting a summoner as well as Mortii's Dark witches deck.
Maybe the easiest meld would be, bunch of frost rager with stabthrough, and some healers such as horned beast (meld bless) and oracle (FA) in the mix, that way Agni can stay on the board longer, and frost rager provides damage to the hero together.
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Post by Vip 32 on Aug 5, 2015 2:14:44 GMT
I actually started working on a Faen Hero Attack deck. I am blending lock down with Devil Hunter with survivability and stabtrhough:
Devil Hunter Lv 6 Faen Aura, Five on It, Death Cloud ---This combo effectively lets enough creatures out, hits them with them with Entangle...and then lowers thier hit points with both talents up to 5 crits. This drops most down under 70% so that they are locked down from physical attack. The idea is, maximize stabthrough by keeping the crits alive but locked.
I am mostly F2P so here are some leftover Feans included to get some use:
Hipolyta lv 10, non meld (I won't see another one, got from maze) Horned Beast lv 15, recycle 1 Horned Beast lv 15, recycle 1 Dream Weaver lv 15, Stabthrough (My favorite card for this deck, will make more to replace some) Satyr Sentry lv 15, Stabthrough (waiting for meld day) Faen Mesmer lv 15, Stabthrough (waiting for meld day, Discord is a bonus, blood rage with all the healers grows fast...finally feel like a home for this card) Pale Dragon lv 15, Stabthrough (waiting for meld day, reflect helps too) Frost Rager lv 15, Stabthrough (will replace with another Dream Weaver) Henrietta lv 15, Stabthrough (need 3 more cards from guild, hopefully before next meld day) Naga Mistress lv 15, Stabthrough (need 3 more cards from farming, hopefull before next meld day, lock down, hits all crits to lower into entangle with a sourcery V hero ruin to double impact)
All will be stabthrough 9 from Shadow Stalker. I need a couple more henrietta and nagas, then meld day hopefully I have enough resources to try this lineup.
This lineup stays alive for a long time.
If you look at the symetry...4 recylce -- two with immunity 7 to make it through disposals and one rebirth. And if all are out:
Attack +625 HP +1400 One Cleanse And heals 550 crits (plus all the healer runs for crits and hero makes it way more, attack increase to boot!) And one Bless for the hero.
Adding my Stabthrough ruins at level 8 -- puts it at 4%. Plus all the attack boosts and 90% stabthrough. Need maybe 10-20 hits is all...or that is the plan.
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Post by VIP32, Formerly DH Suck It! on Aug 5, 2015 2:19:15 GMT
VIP32, Formerly DH Suck It! -- might as well register at some point....lol
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Post by Vip 32 on Aug 5, 2015 2:38:35 GMT
I should also point out that I need to evolve the Naga and Henrietta still...I am only lv 65 so I wont be able to include them all until 70...so hopefully the timing all hits. I run "practice" against a few good lv 80 plus and win a decent amount as is...so hopefully when stabthrough is added this deck works. Althoug h rage for the enemy hero will come into play.
This deck has to mount comebacks against heavy disposal and heavy magic. Maybe another pale dragon to replce a card in the future...but for pretty basic cards, think it will be solid.
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Post by Vip 32 on Aug 5, 2015 2:54:30 GMT
Duh...sorry, Dream Weaver is Dream Guide.
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Post by tanisomsford on Aug 7, 2015 18:40:34 GMT
I have gone about as far as you can go with a Mortii curse deck. I have multiple setups hero's/melds and I'm looking for a new obsession. I have been hearing interesting and fun ideas involving a Faen curse deck. So this will be a curse deck discussion strictly for Faen. I like Agni I started using her for raids due to lower power rank and have started to like her more now. So let's talk about the basics and also some new creative ideas here. High Level Agni - but what runes and skills? Dream Healer - stab through, curse, what else ? Wood stalker - Discord ? Dream Guide - curse, discord, stab? Faen Mezmer - I'm not sure where to go with this one. I think life sap 8 might still be the best choice with her discordbut not sure ? Naga Mistress - curse. Maybe a stab through Ash Beast. I am building this concept for last two weeks, dream healers with stab through, and the wood stalkers get discord8. Have three of each, just building the rune levels but so far it can't get much more than half hero life vs serious decks, as a raid deck, this may be good. I can't figure what to add to really break the damage into high gear, was thinking two techno chief stabthroughs with close to max bloodlust runes for agniis boom, which I have level 8 now.
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Post by sonbalin on Aug 7, 2015 19:03:53 GMT
Throwing Injured runes on all crits may help with getting Boom to trigger more often, I've no idea how effective they are though.
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Post by tanisomsford on Aug 7, 2015 19:11:36 GMT
I am thinking of two naga mistress with discord8 each. Two Treant guides with bless 10 can help multiple issues(DMG boost, heal, HP boost,rage boost and hero life all rolled into one).
It goes without saying Agnii must have a mid to high lv hero vigor IV or V minimum to survive. Agile really makes a difference keeping crits alive to do their stuff.
Working it reverse, seven crits get out, hero life approx 20k, need to goal set for 2-3k damage per crit over a two turn lifespan (average, plus or minus, most crits can get two turns). Wood stalkers do about 800-1k stab DMG, 2 times gets close to 2k, more when I get all my stab runes to lv 8+, discord8 fills in the rest. Dream healers will work a little better with full rune load(healer5, discord5, stabthrough8). Getting there.
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Post by Sytry on Aug 8, 2015 8:48:03 GMT
I am thinking of two naga mistress with discord8 each. Two Treant guides with bless 10 can help multiple issues(DMG boost, heal, HP boost,rage boost and hero life all rolled into one). It goes without saying Agnii must have a mid to high lv hero vigor IV or V minimum to survive. Agile really makes a difference keeping crits alive to do their stuff. Working it reverse, seven crits get out, hero life approx 20k, need to goal set for 2-3k damage per crit over a two turn lifespan (average, plus or minus, most crits can get two turns). Wood stalkers do about 800-1k stab DMG, 2 times gets close to 2k, more when I get all my stab runes to lv 8+, discord8 fills in the rest. Dream healers will work a little better with full rune load(healer5, discord5, stabthrough8). Getting there. Giving Naga Mistress Discord is kinda counter-intuitive, considering the chance that you might Discord a frozen target, and take into consideration Discord is chance to proc. Godswill seems more reasonable and is much more consistent.
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Post by NavyViper on Aug 8, 2015 15:11:50 GMT
Seems like a fun idea, though quite obviously impractical and might not play out as well as anticipated. In any case, perhaps you could consider Arrow Braves or Pegasus Lords with Stabthrough.
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Post by tanisomsford on Aug 8, 2015 22:57:40 GMT
I am thinking of two naga mistress with discord8 each. Two Treant guides with bless 10 can help multiple issues(DMG boost, heal, HP boost,rage boost and hero life all rolled into one). It goes without saying Agnii must have a mid to high lv hero vigor IV or V minimum to survive. Agile really makes a difference keeping crits alive to do their stuff. Working it reverse, seven crits get out, hero life approx 20k, need to goal set for 2-3k damage per crit over a two turn lifespan (average, plus or minus, most crits can get two turns). Wood stalkers do about 800-1k stab DMG, 2 times gets close to 2k, more when I get all my stab runes to lv 8+, discord8 fills in the rest. Dream healers will work a little better with full rune load(healer5, discord5, stabthrough8). Getting there. Giving Naga Mistress Discord is kinda counter-intuitive, considering the chance that you might Discord a frozen target, and take into consideration Discord is chance to proc. Godswill seems more reasonable and is much more consistent. I'm pretty sure discord stays on target while frozen.
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Post by tanisomsford on Aug 8, 2015 23:03:23 GMT
I am thinking of two naga mistress with discord8 each. Two Treant guides with bless 10 can help multiple issues(DMG boost, heal, HP boost,rage boost and hero life all rolled into one). It goes without saying Agnii must have a mid to high lv hero vigor IV or V minimum to survive. Agile really makes a difference keeping crits alive to do their stuff. Working it reverse, seven crits get out, hero life approx 20k, need to goal set for 2-3k damage per crit over a two turn lifespan (average, plus or minus, most crits can get two turns). Wood stalkers do about 800-1k stab DMG, 2 times gets close to 2k, more when I get all my stab runes to lv 8+, discord8 fills in the rest. Dream healers will work a little better with full rune load(healer5, discord5, stabthrough8). Getting there. Giving Naga Mistress Discord is kinda counter-intuitive, considering the chance that you might Discord a frozen target, and take into consideration Discord is chance to proc. Godswill seems more reasonable and is much more consistent. Godswill is a tough one. You want maximum damage on the hero, but agnii is low HP hero. Perhaps if the deck had four nagas the lockdown eases the need for high pace and you can grind the hero a little more? Dream card: stab through sea wizard...
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Post by tanisomsford on Aug 8, 2015 23:08:30 GMT
Seems like a fun idea, though quite obviously impractical and might not play out as well as anticipated. In any case, perhaps you could consider Arrow Braves or Pegasus Lords with Stabthrough. That's not a bad thought too. Don't have enough of those to try it though.
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Post by sonbalin on Aug 8, 2015 23:11:29 GMT
Giving Naga Mistress Discord is kinda counter-intuitive, considering the chance that you might Discord a frozen target, and take into consideration Discord is chance to proc. Godswill seems more reasonable and is much more consistent. I'm pretty sure discord stays on target while frozen. Discord only lasts one round, if the target is also frozen then Discord does nothing.
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Post by tanisomsford on Aug 23, 2015 3:33:15 GMT
I have gone about as far as you can go with a Mortii curse deck. I have multiple setups hero's/melds and I'm looking for a new obsession. I have been hearing interesting and fun ideas involving a Faen curse deck. So this will be a curse deck discussion strictly for Faen. I like Agni I started using her for raids due to lower power rank and have started to like her more now. So let's talk about the basics and also some new creative ideas here. High Level Agni - but what runes and skills? Dream Healer - stab through, curse, what else ? Wood stalker - Discord ? Dream Guide - curse, discord, stab? Faen Mezmer - I'm not sure where to go with this one. I think life sap 8 might still be the best choice with her discordbut not sure ? Naga Mistress - curse. Maybe a stab through Ash Beast. I am building this concept for last two weeks, dream healers with stab through, and the wood stalkers get discord8. Have three of each, just building the rune levels but so far it can't get much more than half hero life vs serious decks, as a raid deck, this may be good. I can't figure what to add to really break the damage into high gear, was thinking two techno chief stabthroughs with close to max bloodlust runes for agniis boom, which I have level 8 now. ***Update*** Deck is not complete yet. The icing on the cake would be a retreat temptress, but until I am that godly to have that S***, I'll just have to make due. I have the deck as follows in my tournament attack deck: 3x dream healers stabthrough6 rune lv 8, discord rune lv 5, healer lv 5. 3x Wood stalkers discord8 rune5, stab rune lv 8 miasma not leveled yet. Agnii is lv 8 boom(1025 + 1.7/rage) Vitality3 , Agile5 (not enough glory, keep sinking into runes) This was my base build. I added one stabby grabby, a block7 ursa(tanks like superman), my one siren, and a block8 rager(tank plus hp boost). Been playtesting in tournament ranks 900-1200 and it has about a 35%-45% win rate on human decks, beaten every curse deck I've come across, and, surprisingly, it seems to do reasonably well against the average spiky bits deck( >50% win rates, I was shocked) It seems the 2 turn delay helps(after first 6 rounds when drawing) and hurts(first draw no crits to stabthrough against) the deck. But man, agnii hits sooo freakin hard. The 7 faen helps the agile spread out a little more than 10 faen would, anyone care to weigh in on how I could muscle a little more out of this side project. Edit: this was just a crazy side thing that I really dont expect to go anywhere solid. There is only so far one can take a deck like this, but since it does squeeze out some wins here and there, it's kind of a nice bonus!
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