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Post by Pyron on Sept 13, 2015 17:55:50 GMT
They should have implemented an arena ranking for guilds. Instead of something grinding like Guild Wars where it's more about controlling your timing x real life, something more like arena (with limited number of tries for each player inside the guild) with more suitable rewards (like contribution to help maps faster would be cool).
Tournament and Trial may be the best ways to gauge the strength of the guild, but only the individual pieces. I'd like a better way to gauge the guild as a whole, but the way the game is it can't be really done.
Anyway, Royal is the top 1 with wk as second IMO.
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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Sept 13, 2015 18:37:51 GMT
There is just too many factors to consider being the best guild, so keeping that best guild to something subjective is good imo.
Royal has only 35 core/actual members, while 25 of them are top100 tournament. But WK has some of the best individual players.
I like it that every guild has their own style. Royal focuses on quality rather than quantity, and we believe that it will bring us the most fun to this game individually and as a team. So in my eyes Royal is the best guild.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Sept 14, 2015 10:01:06 GMT
Who is top1 and 2 is rather clear. Just i wanted created some nice healthy competition in top10 guilds.
If top guild can have some logo which can be recognized i can do some test rank base on tournamant and trial.
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Post by ℜ★Trun on Sept 14, 2015 12:37:24 GMT
Who is top1 and 2 is rather clear. Just i wanted created some nice healthy competition in top10 guilds. If top guild can have some logo which can be recognized i can do some test rank base on tournamant and trial. Hitmus is right on this any ranking system should just be fun and help breed some competition.....friendly competition is what will make and keep the game fun. No matter what rankin gsme are done or talked about in any thread taken them for what they are and just have fun with it all For those who prioritize war and want todo a seperate rank that's fine but understand alot of people don't do war by choice for a few reasons. 1 being the effort isn't worth the reward. Family comes first and sending teams hourly takes ot of time also some people just can't compete due to hours of jobs and our sleep schedule very USA based
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Sept 16, 2015 17:54:34 GMT
Giving contribution for GW would be awesome.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Sept 16, 2015 18:11:12 GMT
I can do that basic rank for fun. But simply only 5 guilds has any logo. If could have 10 guilds it has some sence to have fun rank base on trial and tournament. So guilds please follow some logo if possible for good identification.
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Post by ℜ★Xega on Sept 16, 2015 18:54:50 GMT
Remember that most WK players / Whales uses 10 tournament tries everyday while the majority has 5. So the rankings are abit skewy up there, just alittle bit. I've never bought a tournament attempt, it's like 50 gems to buy 1 attempt which is ridiculously high. I've been lucky enough to get rank 1 about 20 times but I can never hold it because I get attacked 2-3x more per day than I can attack. On average, I win about 50% on defense and about 95% on offense.
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Post by ℜ★Xega on Sept 16, 2015 19:19:44 GMT
Well said. My guild is one of those that are geared more towards fun and social interaction. My opinion is that as long as your having fun and enjoying the game then that's all that matters. Although it is fun watching the top guilds duke it out....lol I have been a founder of both a top-ranked Guild and a social Guild that is now closer to a "Family" than a Guild. Each has their pros and cons and they are different enough that whatever kind of player you are, you will find what you are looking for. I'm all for competition, but we need a true measuring stick for Guilds in Deck Heroes. You can blame the community for ruining the best shot we had at one, Guild Battles. It was always a simple fix, but IGG dropped the ball trying to balance it. All they had to do was divide the rewards by 50, regardless of how many members the Guild had, and the p2w crowd wouldn't have broken the Mode. Royal has been like a family before we started DH, some of us have been fortunate enough to game together for well over a year. Last I checked we have 30 or 31 members at the moment and 8 of us have came from another game. Quality will always beat quantity. Tbh, we've reject a lot top players who we felt just wouldn't mesh with us personality-wise. The most important thing is that a guild can have is a good environment.
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Post by the_guest on Sept 16, 2015 20:15:46 GMT
it's kinda hard to rank guilds objectively using tournament rankings though, because only some of the guild members are shown in top 100 (same goes to using trials to rank guilds). this would make guilds having only 5 members in total, all of whom are in top 100 be ranked the same as a guild having 5 members in top 100 while the remaining 45 members in top 300.
so if you think your guild deserves to be ranked as a top guild but don't think guildwar is providing enough incentive for your guild to play competitively for 12 hours...why not just do it once and show that you can make it to top 3 for the world to see? (eg. royal, wk, nfs, etc) this is really the only objective way for any guild to be able to claim they are a top guild, since if your guild is strong enough and have good teamwork, then i don't see why you can't get ranked high just ONCE or perhaps TWICE?
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Post by mortivore on Sept 16, 2015 20:28:52 GMT
it's kinda hard to rank guilds objectively using tournament rankings though, because only some of the guild members are shown in top 100 (same goes to using trials to rank guilds). this would make guilds having only 5 members in total, all of whom are in top 100 be ranked the same as a guild having 5 members in top 100 while the remaining 45 members in top 300. so if you think your guild deserves to be ranked as a top guild but don't think guildwar is providing enough incentive for your guild to play competitively for 12 hours...why not just do it once and show that you can make it to top 3 for the world to see? (eg. royal, wk, nfs, etc) this is really the only objective way for any guild to be able to claim they are a top guild, since if your guild is strong enough and have good teamwork, then i don't see why you can't get ranked high just ONCE or perhaps TWICE? I guess this sounds logical for you. But there is no reward worth fighting for in gw, the extra 2k glory isnt worth 12 hours of work. GW is just a spamfest, where people send out random teams, and the player with the most cards and most time on his/hers hands will win. It also heavily favors guild with a full 50 members, preferably from the US (since european/asian players sleep during most of GW). Im not judging you for battling it out in the GW, its a fun and competative, but this game feature is not part of all guilds priorities.
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Post by the_guest on Sept 16, 2015 20:42:07 GMT
you are correct that guildwar doesn't provide enough incentives but isn't that part of what i already implied previously? but right now, if any guild wants to get all the fame and glory associated with a top guild, then this in itself is an incentive right? also, it's not like i am suggesting you do it consistently, just ONCE or perhaps TWICE? speaking of spamming cards, etc, your guild can spam card too right? every guild is on equal footing, but if your guild is stronger (ie. have better people, better cards, better teamwork, etc), ultimately you should still be able to get to the top ONCE right?
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Post by Somar [BK] on Sept 16, 2015 20:55:24 GMT
To tell the truth a couple of the very first editions of GW were exactly as the_guest describes.
We all know how that went with the same guilds always on top and giving us some kinda of real rank.
Yes VM were stronger back then and Royal weren't exactly at their prime yet, but those were the guilds that made the top positions + a few couple of other guilds I can't remeber the names now.
All those are most likely still the same guilds that would finish on top nowadays if things were different, give or take a couple.
But there's no other party to blame for the currently state of affairs other than IGG itself.
By now they should have already realised that a 12 hour marathon that gives the same rewards to players in guilds that finish either 1st or 50th isn't beneficial for anyone.
Basicly it's a way to waste time.
Why would any top guild even bother to do a full GW and prove they are the best when they get absolutely nothing in return for all the troubles that gives them.
Better to just do enough to get a reasonable reward and go play with my kid the rest of the time, or just go to sleep instead of staying awake until 4 am.
The whole concept of the current GW system is just a complete absurd. From rewards to the model used, that thing is a complete failure.
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Sept 16, 2015 22:16:48 GMT
Today is the 7th GW in a row where I send one wave of teams and then don't send any more.
Like everyone said, once your Guild is in the top 100 there is very little difference between 10 and 100 in terms of rewards.
My Guild is strong enough now where they do not need my GW contribution to rank high, therefore I let them accomplish everything on their own. They set personal and Guild records for total Treasure almost every time too, so I am more than satisfied.
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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Sept 16, 2015 22:21:33 GMT
We don't play GW because in our opinion its worthless atm. We don't care about fame, we know we are one of the best guilds and thats more than enough. Here's an old screenshot of few months ago, when GW was actually fun and rewarding. I think that was my best score, 200k+ treasure.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Sept 17, 2015 7:45:33 GMT
It isn't worth getting everyone off in alt guilds coming back and missing out on 14-16 shards to compete even if it is just once.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Sept 17, 2015 8:10:54 GMT
yes guest has no idea maybe that top guilds are in moving circle and never is same guild. in addition who wants compete for nothing nobody tournament is daily task , trial daily task no special effort to make some rank. if sombody is in top300 simply it is not measurable. 100 top players is enough to measure strenght of guild and same in case trial. of course there are other factors like how many 5* guild can deliver to members a week or how atmosphere looks like but it can not be measurable. we can try do sth base on what we have or do nothing:) but whatever rank is going to be Guilds needs to have logo as in all ranks there in no info about guild player belong.
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Post by Somar [BK] on Sept 17, 2015 17:49:26 GMT
Is all this really necessary?
Can the mods please clean all this non sence and get the thread back on topic?
I was liking the discussion on this thread, can we please just get back to that.
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Post by mortivore on Sept 17, 2015 17:58:14 GMT
You can try an argue that Tournament is the best way to evaluate Guilds all you want Hitmus✪NFS. The fact is Tournament has it's flaws like being completely geared for p2w players, whom dominate the top 100. What Tournament is really good for evaluating? Which players/Guilds spend the most money. Not getting into your discussion. But ranking as a guild in tournament require a lot more strategy and planning then you should think. The amount of action in the top of the tournament is very high, and noone is safe. If you dont watch out, an enemy guild can chain you down 20+ ranks (which is a lot on high ranks, since you can only gain 3 ranks pr attack). Also there are many f2p players in top tournament that have not gotten any help ranking up. As in every freemium game p2w will get huge advantages, and calculatin which guild is best and also taking into consideration which players are f2p/p2w will be an impossible task. The only tool that can be used to compare is ingame features, which again favors p2w.
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Post by Somar [BK] on Sept 17, 2015 18:15:35 GMT
You can try an argue that Tournament is the best way to evaluate Guilds all you want Hitmus✪NFS. The fact is Tournament has it's flaws like being completely geared for p2w players, whom dominate the top 100. What Tournament is really good for evaluating? Which players/Guilds spend the most money. Not getting into your discussion. But ranking as a guild in tournament require a lot more strategy and planning then you should think. The amount of action in the top of the tournament is very high, and noone is safe. If you dont watch out, an enemy guild can chain you down 20+ ranks (which is a lot on high ranks, since you can only gain 3 ranks pr attack). Also there are many f2p players in top tournament that have not gotten any help ranking up. As in every freemium game p2w will get huge advantages, and calculatin which guild is best and also taking into consideration which players are f2p/p2w will be an impossible task. The only tool that can be used to compare is ingame features, which again favors p2w. Tournament is the single game feat that keeps me playing. It's rather exciting to have people with better cards than you and try to come out with ways of defeating them, and even more chalenging, keeping those positions after. Regarding f2p/p2p, i really believe this is the game feat where the money actually makes less impact. I'm not saying that money doesn't give you better chances, because it does. But from my experience f2p with good startegy planing actually have a chance of geting somewhere. Sure I haven't break top100 yet but i came really close (best was 146 a while back) and if money was the only factor i wouldnt be even close to that. I was never in a top guild also (NFS didn't have the strenght they have now when I left), so no easy 5* for me. Everything I got was from pure griding and i can say I'm pretty happy with my performance so far. I'm just an amateur player anyway. Tournament is the best game feat miles away from everything else. Measuring Guild success by tournament rankings is another matter though. But at this point is really the only viable option from where to draw some conslusions.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Sept 17, 2015 19:07:47 GMT
I agree with Mortivore I know nothing about royal but I realy see that they are great. Same wk in other way. We never said sth more than opinion here. Everybody has own. I understand guild which like be just for fun and those who are in top but they have fun on its own way also. I will not accept any NFS attack and every member of this forum can see and make own opinion who is flame war creator. I will clean that thread and Diana please stop doing it again. Even most respectfully member can do things he/she regret. Stop doing flaming wars from nothing. Tommorow this thread will be cleared. Moderators please clear it properly as I can not be fair enough. Because of terrible flame war we had some months ago in NFS because of Diana.
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 17, 2015 22:13:17 GMT
You can try an argue that Tournament is the best way to evaluate Guilds all you want Hitmus✪NFS. The fact is Tournament has it's flaws like being completely geared for p2w players, whom dominate the top 100. What Tournament is really good for evaluating? Which players/Guilds spend the most money. This is a lie. Not because you can't achieve top 100 as a f2p mean all top 100 are p2w.
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Sept 17, 2015 22:21:20 GMT
Any more fighting on the forum and I'll start issuing warnings. Please keep the discussion civil.
Also, monkeymwn is f2p, as are many Royals, hell, I buy star, and I was at rank 120 a couple days ago. Strategy gets you everywhere in the game.
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 17, 2015 22:29:58 GMT
Any more fighting on the forum and I'll start issuing warnings. Please keep the discussion civil. Also, monkeymwn is f2p, as are many Royals, hell, I buy star, and I was at rank 120 a couple days ago. Strategy gets you everywhere in the game. True. I actually know 15 persons that are f2p in the top 100, probably more peoples as well. and who ever think tournament doesn't need strategy just doesn't have enough members in the top 100. At this point, you need to coordinate your attack with guildmates to make sure you don't just switch position with someone but progress toward rank 1
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Sept 17, 2015 22:43:20 GMT
Any more fighting on the forum and I'll start issuing warnings. Please keep the discussion civil. Also, monkeymwn is f2p, as are many Royals, hell, I buy star, and I was at rank 120 a couple days ago. Strategy gets you everywhere in the game. True. I actually know 15 persons that are f2p in the top 100, probably more peoples as well. and who ever think tournament doesn't need strategy just doesn't have enough members in the top 100. At this point, you need to coordinate your attack with guildmates to make sure you don't just switch position with someone but progress toward rank 1 Exactly, with coordination you push people back as a group and move forward, no changing of defenses required
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Post by pinpin on Sept 18, 2015 0:38:51 GMT
So....just adding more fuel to the fire here. These would be my criteria of a top guild.
Longevity: Guilds like Royal and WK have been around for a long time. They must be doing something right.
Productivity: Be well represented in all features of the game...i.e..tournament, arena, trials...etc..
Expansion: Being able to recruit members and creating branches of the original guild.
Camaraderie: A guild that creates an environment that enhances your gaming experience via sharing of ideas and building friendships.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Sept 18, 2015 6:38:40 GMT
I hit #80 as F2P a couple weeks ago. It's hard to stay there though. Never really invested in stabthrough either since I thought all the paying players that hated it would have gotten it nerfed by now. Bad prediction on my part
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Post by Somar [BK] on Sept 18, 2015 6:52:25 GMT
I hit #80 as F2P a couple weeks ago. It's hard to stay there though. Never really invested in stabthrough either since I thought all the paying players that hated it would have gotten it nerfed by now. Bad prediction on my part I followed the same path as u regarding the stab thing and now fell behind in that dptment as well. My thoughts were exactly the same as urs. P2w crowd will just force IGG to nerf it. That one really screwed me a bit in tourney.
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Post by mingying on Sept 18, 2015 7:11:19 GMT
How many stab cards are ideal to put in tournament stab deck?
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Post by mortivore on Sept 18, 2015 7:29:34 GMT
How many stab cards are ideal to put in tournament stab deck? Most top tournament players got good stab decks. You can look at their decks for inspiration.
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Post by mingying on Sept 18, 2015 7:45:21 GMT
Started to make a decent one just now (with 5 random weak stab cards) and it works quite nicely! Still on rank 400ish right now but i think stab deck will take me far thanks!
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