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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Sept 19, 2015 19:25:44 GMT
I spent millions of gold on stabthrough, I demand 1 million real dollars as compensation.
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Post by sonbalin on Sept 19, 2015 19:26:06 GMT
And this point of view I strongly agree with. If it was meant for stab to be the ultimate deck, IGG would have not bothered adding more creatures to farm for. Hell, stab comes from a 2* common creature, is then melded to a 3* or 4* creature (s) that are fairly to obtain, does that sound like a strategy that should be out ranking all the others?
Ever heard of a Chaos Witch deck with just Dark Witches winning alot of games... That is just as easy to obtain and can also be used to get pretty much near the top.... IJS
As I said I dont know the entire arguiment and all, but having diversity isnt a bad thing, more then one way to win lets say, and I dont think that stab with just 2 and 3 stars would win the top... seeing as most of the better units using it seem to be 4* or higher that I know off, but then again I dont know all the cards used.
If its the rune that is an issue, then just fix those I guess.. idk... ^^
Have you ever seen a Dark Witch do over 8k damage to a hero in one round?
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Post by Karadoras on Sept 19, 2015 19:29:09 GMT
Ever heard of a Chaos Witch deck with just Dark Witches winning alot of games... That is just as easy to obtain and can also be used to get pretty much near the top.... IJS
As I said I dont know the entire arguiment and all, but having diversity isnt a bad thing, more then one way to win lets say, and I dont think that stab with just 2 and 3 stars would win the top... seeing as most of the better units using it seem to be 4* or higher that I know off, but then again I dont know all the cards used.
If its the rune that is an issue, then just fix those I guess.. idk... ^^
Have you ever seen a Dark Witch do over 8k damage to a hero in one round? dont know how much damage they do, I havent payed attention to the damages, but I do know Dark witch also does quite alot of damage imo also to much...
I mean if you can just make such a deck and win with it against people using alot of the best 5* and such that also feels wrong doesnt it?
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Post by sonbalin on Sept 19, 2015 19:31:44 GMT
Have you ever seen a Dark Witch do over 8k damage to a hero in one round? dont know how much damage they do, I havent payed attention to the damages, but I do know Dark witch also does quite alot of damage imo also to much...
I mean if you can just make such a deck and win with it against people using alot of the best 5* and such that also feels wrong doesnt it?
A dark witch does 1044 damage against a hero with 40k health. A Stabthrough Graboid can do over 8000. And you think Dark Witches hit hard?
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Post by Karadoras on Sept 19, 2015 19:38:11 GMT
dont know how much damage they do, I havent payed attention to the damages, but I do know Dark witch also does quite alot of damage imo also to much...
I mean if you can just make such a deck and win with it against people using alot of the best 5* and such that also feels wrong doesnt it?
A dark witch does 1044 damage against a hero with 40k health. A Stabthrough Graboid can do over 8000. And you think Dark Witches hit hard? Maybe they dont do as much damage I guess, but the combination with Chaos Witch hero can definitely win against decks using stronger heroes and creatures, etc...
But as I did say, I am fairly new and yeah to me they seem to do a bit to much damage.. Iunno.. ^^
Also on another note, I never said stabthrough shouldnt be nerfed/balanced, but just that I understand that people can get a bit frustrated if a good strategy for them is being undone making it less possible for them to compete to top players.
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Post by sonbalin on Sept 19, 2015 19:41:43 GMT
A dark witch does 1044 damage against a hero with 40k health. A Stabthrough Graboid can do over 8000. And you think Dark Witches hit hard? Maybe they dont do as much damage I guess, but the combination with Chaos Witch hero can definitely win against decks using stronger heroes and creatures, etc...
But as I did say, I am fairly new and yeah to me they seem to do a bit to much damage.. Iunno.. ^^
I just checked a replay, a Stabthrough Graboid can actually do over 12000 damage to that hero. That's with just a level 8 rune and no attack buffs from the hero too. Chaos Witch + Dark witches is a good deck, it's far from OP though and falls over pretty quickly against a lot of stuff. Curse/Godswill aren't on the same level as Stabthrough - they're about 20 floors down.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Sept 19, 2015 19:44:23 GMT
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Post by Mandragora on Sept 19, 2015 19:45:29 GMT
Compensation lol
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Post by thundergod on Sept 19, 2015 19:47:30 GMT
So by this logic, hearthstone players should receive compensation after every patch and players who buy cards that eventually make it on to the banned list should be compensated too?
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Post by sonbalin on Sept 19, 2015 19:48:49 GMT
So by this logic, hearthstone players should receive compensation after every patch and players who buy cards that eventually make it on to the banned list should be compensated too? This has actually happened with some stuff - Players have received Dust as compensation when stuffs been nerfed. I don't think we should receive compensation for a Stab re-balance but that's just a poor example lol.
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Post by Karadoras on Sept 19, 2015 19:52:02 GMT
Maybe they dont do as much damage I guess, but the combination with Chaos Witch hero can definitely win against decks using stronger heroes and creatures, etc...
But as I did say, I am fairly new and yeah to me they seem to do a bit to much damage.. Iunno.. ^^
I just checked a replay, a Stabthrough Graboid can actually do over 12000 damage to that hero. That's with just a level 8 rune and no attack buffs from the hero too. Chaos Witch + Dark witches is a good deck, it's far from OP though and falls over pretty quickly against a lot of stuff. Curse/Godswill aren't on the same level as Stabthrough - they're about 20 floors down. Difference is, those do direct damage, graboid, stabthrough, etc need to be able to atk to do damage, wich you can nullify with paralize, dodge, frost armor and many other skills, so I dont get why stabthrough is an issue but those dark witches/chaos witch decks arent?
As was said, every strategy has a counter strategy if you arent smarth enough to think off something then no offence but you dont deserve to be among the top, also any strategy a f2p player used to reach the top can also be used by p2w, guess its to hard to make the same deck... silley if you asked me..
Idk the issue realy, but I dont think you are right with what you said.... but opinions differ.
Diversity is what keeps games fresh and interesting, taking out one aspect makes it dull at some point.
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Post by OuchDamage✪NFS on Sept 19, 2015 20:00:35 GMT
Seriously? You guys honestly think it would be for game balance? Map exploration Yes stab could be OP for some maps, but not ALL maps. Trials Again yes stab could be OP, but not ALL Arena In my arena the rank 1 isnt using stab deck Tournament Now most people on top 100 have stab deck, but do they use 3 stab decks to attack, to gain upperhand against non-stab decks? Now for defense, ive seen Mikhal weeks ago not using his stab for defense and im sure you all know stab deck is a weak defense in tournament. Guild wars Do you guys even care about this? Gauntlet Stab deck, and same with other kinds of deck could finish 1 gauntlet a day so i dont think theres superiority of stab here. So which part of the game did stab become broken? Because its a meld from 2* crit? Is it because of border rangers being 3* crit? Or is it because its cheap and its viable? If you support what they do, then its like saying that yes this game is really all about money. And dont tell me that all games p2w always is the case cause its not. tl;dr Stab is a strategy, it might be strong at some point, and weak on some point. Arent every deck like this though? The only immortal are the $$$ Anyway until the changes happen, there is no point arguing here. Happy weekends everyone.
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Post by thundergod on Sept 19, 2015 20:02:37 GMT
So by this logic, hearthstone players should receive compensation after every patch and players who buy cards that eventually make it on to the banned list should be compensated too? This has actually happened with some stuff - Players have received Dust as compensation when stuffs been nerfed. I don't think we should receive compensation for a Stab re-balance but that's just a poor example lol. Usually for people who acquire said cards like a week before patch and other short notice relates things. I never see anyone get compensated for cards they've had for months and had signs of being nerfed a mile away. In Hearthstone's case the compensation is small compensation is small compared to what Hitmus is asking.
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Post by sonbalin on Sept 19, 2015 20:05:12 GMT
I just checked a replay, a Stabthrough Graboid can actually do over 12000 damage to that hero. That's with just a level 8 rune and no attack buffs from the hero too. Chaos Witch + Dark witches is a good deck, it's far from OP though and falls over pretty quickly against a lot of stuff. Curse/Godswill aren't on the same level as Stabthrough - they're about 20 floors down. Difference is, those do direct damage, graboid, stabthrough, etc need to be able to atk to do damage, wich you can nullify with paralize, dodge, frost armor and many other skills, so I dont get why stabthrough is an issue but those dark witches/chaos witch decks arent?
As was said, every strategy has a counter strategy if you arent smarth enough to think off something then no offence but you dont deserve to be among the top, also any strategy a f2p player used to reach the top can also be used by p2w, guess its to hard to make the same deck... silley if you asked me..
Idk the issue realy, but I dont think you are right with what you said.... but opinions differ.
Diversity is what keeps games fresh and interesting, taking out one aspect makes it dull at some point.
You're implying I'm a P2W player that's upset I'm getting beat by Stab decks or something here. I'm not. I used a Stab deck as a crutch to get to map 14. I've never even been in top 1000 in Tournament. No OP cards apart from some Stabthrough Graboids, Swordmaster & Border Ranger. Just because I use it doesn't mean I don't see how OP it is though. I have a Chaos Witch/Dark Witch/Puppeteer deck too and it's completely outclassed.
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Sept 19, 2015 20:08:49 GMT
And this point of view I strongly agree with. If it was meant for stab to be the ultimate deck, IGG would have not bothered adding more creatures to farm for. Hell, stab comes from a 2* common creature, is then melded to a 3* or 4* creature (s) that are fairly to obtain, does that sound like a strategy that should be out ranking all the others?
Ever heard of a Chaos Witch deck with just Dark Witches winning alot of games... That is just as easy to obtain and can also be used to get pretty much near the top.... IJS
As I said I dont know the entire arguiment and all, but having diversity isnt a bad thing, more then one way to win lets say, and I dont think that stab with just 2 and 3 stars would win the top... seeing as most of the better units using it seem to be 4* or higher that I know off, but then again I dont know all the cards used.
If its the rune that is an issue, then just fix those I guess.. idk... ^^
Witch decks are much less successful than stab decks
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Sept 19, 2015 20:14:16 GMT
And if you see those STUPID RICH Player in DH, THEY USE SAME CARD. 2 IMMUNITY + REVIVE, 2 RECYCLE, 2 DISPOSAL, 1 SACRIFICE, AND the rest are BLESS + IMMUNITY.. And you think they are using their brains??? NO MAN, THEY ARE JUST RICHER, DOESNT MEAN THEY ARE SMARTER ! SO PLEASE !!!!!!!!!! STFU, ENJOY THE GAME. IF YOU WANNA QUIT BECAUSE STAB, GO THEN. NOBODY NEEDS YOU, YOU IDIOT STUPID f*** You preach, hiding behind a generic name and a guest account, man up and use your IGN miss priss.
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Post by New Member on Sept 19, 2015 20:17:19 GMT
Im new to this forum!!! I just heard IGG will give everyone a revive Hanuman.. Wow i cant wait to get this, i mean a free melded revive 5star card.. Me & my friends are looking forward to this because we dont have any revive cards yet.. Lets hope this true..
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Post by sonbalin on Sept 19, 2015 20:19:56 GMT
Im new to this forum!!! I just heard IGG will give everyone a revive Hanuman.. Wow i cant wait to get this, i mean a free melded revive 5star card.. Me & my friends are looking forward to this because we dont have any revive cards yet.. Lets hope this true.. This is only as compensation if you've go a Stab Deck and have beaten all maps - they're the people that will miss it most so deserve to be compensated most. Better get moving.!
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 19, 2015 20:21:10 GMT
Stab will remain good, igg ain't stupid. But you should never, never be able to beat op decks with a so easy to make deck, simple as that.
My stab deck took me about 2 weeks to set up and I beat deck with cards I could only dream of, broken.
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Post by new member on Sept 19, 2015 20:25:00 GMT
Im new to this forum!!! I just heard IGG will give everyone a revive Hanuman.. Wow i cant wait to get this, i mean a free melded revive 5star card.. Me & my friends are looking forward to this because we dont have any revive cards yet.. Lets hope this true.. This is only as compensation if you've go a Stab Deck and have beaten all maps - they're the people that will miss it most so deserve to be compensated most. Better get moving.! Yes i have a stab deck & beat most maps already, pretty easy with a stab deck.. But i dont have gems to buy packs for revive cards.. So i cant wait to get the revive Hanuman..
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Post by OuchDamage✪NFS on Sept 19, 2015 20:25:26 GMT
This has actually happened with some stuff - Players have received Dust as compensation when stuffs been nerfed. I don't think we should receive compensation for a Stab re-balance but that's just a poor example lol. Usually for people who acquire said cards like a week before patch and other short notice relates things. I never see anyone get compensated for cards they've had for months and had signs of being nerfed a mile away. In Hearthstone's case the compensation is small compensation is small compared to what Hitmus is asking. Im glad you guys brought HS up, cause in hearthstone you grind for dust to craft a card, im sure you both know that when leeroy jenkins was too OP people still crafted him cause they know that blizzard will refund them the whole cost of that card when they craft it, same same goes for Dr. Boom. Again full refund of the card when nerfed or any changes. So yes, your reference of hearthstone giving small compensation is wrong.
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Post by Karadoras on Sept 19, 2015 20:31:09 GMT
Stab will remain good, igg ain't stupid. But you should never, never be able to beat op decks with a so easy to make deck, simple as that. My stab deck took me about 2 weeks to set up and I beat deck with cards I could only dream of, broken. 2 weeks, that short, what do you need for it, cause I dont think I could meld a complete deck in 2 weeks as a f2p player.
Might be able to meld one card or 2 in that period of time as f2p, dont seem like you can manage an entire deck.
Wondering what you need, cause wanna test it, am not familiar with all of that, cause I am fairly new. ^^
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Post by Karadoras on Sept 19, 2015 20:34:30 GMT
Difference is, those do direct damage, graboid, stabthrough, etc need to be able to atk to do damage, wich you can nullify with paralize, dodge, frost armor and many other skills, so I dont get why stabthrough is an issue but those dark witches/chaos witch decks arent?
As was said, every strategy has a counter strategy if you arent smarth enough to think off something then no offence but you dont deserve to be among the top, also any strategy a f2p player used to reach the top can also be used by p2w, guess its to hard to make the same deck... silley if you asked me..
Idk the issue realy, but I dont think you are right with what you said.... but opinions differ.
Diversity is what keeps games fresh and interesting, taking out one aspect makes it dull at some point.
You're implying I'm a P2W player that's upset I'm getting beat by Stab decks or something here. I'm not. I used a Stab deck as a crutch to get to map 14. I've never even been in top 1000 in Tournament. No OP cards apart from some Stabthrough Graboids, Swordmaster & Border Ranger. Just because I use it doesn't mean I don't see how OP it is though. I have a Chaos Witch/Dark Witch/Puppeteer deck too and it's completely outclassed.
Where can I find info on how to make such a deck, might help me beat maps faster... would be a great help, any specific heroes needed?
Dont have swordmaster or graboids though...
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 19, 2015 20:36:05 GMT
Stab will remain good, igg ain't stupid. But you should never, never be able to beat op decks with a so easy to make deck, simple as that. My stab deck took me about 2 weeks to set up and I beat deck with cards I could only dream of, broken. 2 weeks, that short, what do you need for it, cause I dont think I could meld a complete deck in 2 weeks as a f2p player.
Might be able to meld one card or 2 in that period of time as f2p, dont seem like you can manage an entire deck.
Wondering what you need, cause wanna test it, am not familiar with all of that, cause I am fairly new. ^^
I converted my 2x fa graboid with stab, 1 bb8 graboid to stab. I converted my fa ash beast to stab, I made a stab swrdmaster and rest of my decks was puppets I already had before stab meta.
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Post by Karadoras on Sept 19, 2015 20:41:27 GMT
2 weeks, that short, what do you need for it, cause I dont think I could meld a complete deck in 2 weeks as a f2p player.
Might be able to meld one card or 2 in that period of time as f2p, dont seem like you can manage an entire deck.
Wondering what you need, cause wanna test it, am not familiar with all of that, cause I am fairly new. ^^
I converted my 2x fa graboid with stab, 1 bb8 graboid to stab. I converted my fa ash beast to stab, I made a stab swrdmaster and rest of my decks was puppets I already had before stab meta. Ah right so you already had the cards, makes sense then...
I thought you meant as a new player you could do it in 2 weeks.. was like how in the world, dont even have one graboid, ash beast or swordmaster yet... am almost on 2 weeks... ^^
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Post by sonbalin on Sept 19, 2015 21:00:40 GMT
You're implying I'm a P2W player that's upset I'm getting beat by Stab decks or something here. I'm not. I used a Stab deck as a crutch to get to map 14. I've never even been in top 1000 in Tournament. No OP cards apart from some Stabthrough Graboids, Swordmaster & Border Ranger. Just because I use it doesn't mean I don't see how OP it is though. I have a Chaos Witch/Dark Witch/Puppeteer deck too and it's completely outclassed.
Where can I find info on how to make such a deck, might help me beat maps faster... would be a great help, any specific heroes needed?
Dont have swordmaster or graboids though...
Royal Guard - The level 1 skill/talents (s)he comes with are enough 2x Stabthrough Graboid Stabthrough Border Ranger Stabthrough Swordmaster Spirit Siren. That's it. It's a pretty easy deck to make but you need access to map 10 to farm the Graboids. Using manual play you can beat almost anything with that.
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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Sept 19, 2015 21:01:58 GMT
Ok back to some normal discussion. The infamous stab balance is going to come, instead of complaining try to utilize the advantage IGG is giving you. I just cleared map 14 today using the stab advantage, just before the stab balance Lovely 500 gems and 15 coupons. I recommend everyone to clear the things that stabthrough can do before they balance it, to take maximum advantage.
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Post by dbreezy✪NFS on Sept 19, 2015 21:49:32 GMT
tl;dr - OP claims stab is being nerfed, while in fact its being balanced - OP doesn't realize how broken stab is - OP STILL doesn't realize how game ruining stab is - OP wants compensation for stabthrough getting balanced because it was overpowered - OP still wants compensation for something that was completely overpowered and broken, now being balanced Naruto, you speak as though revive isn't overpowered. It is. Maybe you just don't think so because you were extraordinarily lucky and got 2 in a very short time. You come across as very elitist even though surely you must know how easy stab is to beat in PVP. You have changed so much since you first started releasing videos...and not for the better. I'm disappointed.
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Post by nin7 on Sept 19, 2015 21:59:45 GMT
All in all, with all the benefits Stabthrough has yielded for those using it allready, I think if there is any compensation I strongly think it should go for those that don't have any stabthrough+sweepblow yet, as that'd be the people strugling in the explorer gate, the arena, trials...to places others just rode the Stabthroug train
(Thisis suposing the nerf/balance is enought to make the strategy unviable, or at least reasonably so)
(...notice that I actually don't think igg will compensate everibody bellow 40 lvl with a Dragonlord or the like, fact is I don't really think there should be any compensation)
Still, more than happy to see the thread is having a more constructive turn in the last posts
My two cents, apart from converting runes to recover the glory, Swormasters, Techno-chiefs and specially Graboids (explorable) can be re-melded, so may be people could start planing, just in case
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Where can I find info on how to make such a deck, might help me beat maps faster... would be a great help, any specific heroes needed?
Dont have swordmaster or graboids though...
Royal Guard - The level 1 skill/talents (s)he comes with are enough 2x Stabthrough Graboid Stabthrough Border Ranger Stabthrough Swordmaster Spirit Siren. That's it. It's a pretty easy deck to make but you need access to map 10 to farm the Graboids. Using manual play you can beat almost anything with that. Royal Guard is a 4 star hero isnt it, not that easy for me to get right now.. but okay... Dont have any of those in the list, might have 1 border ranger... and cant even get to map 10 yet, not even on my old account...
But thanks for the info at least...
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