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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 0:45:49 GMT
Let me ask, why do you guys think stab is broken? I have finished map 14 with stab yes, but i havent completed the stars yet, why? Cause the limitation of stab deck is that its hard to beat maps that require you to kill all creatures. To those who claim they got dragonlord with stab deck, do you honestly think you can beat all maps with just stab deck, specially killing all creature maps? To those saying all you need is 5 creature with siren, can you beat maps that require health on your hero with just stab? i guess that would require different set of deck right? Meaning different cards, hero, stratregy. This is a terrible argument. Just because you can ONLY use stab to get 31/36 stars in a map does not mean it is limited. I completed virtually every mission on map 14 with a stab deck, most stages only need a slight adjustment to a core deck of stab cards to beat. The only one you really can't work your way out of with a stab deck are the destroy all creatures, but most of those are easy enough to blow up if you have a decent deck.
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Post by Karlostto✪NFS on Sept 20, 2015 0:52:52 GMT
Well...special thanks to hitmus for creating a thread that has stirred up much discussion and debate. Nice to see a lot of interest and participation. That being said......
Honestly, I don't really care if it gets nerfed or not. I'd rather it wasn't so it would force us to develop strategies against it and further evolve the game we all love to play. Seems to me that igg is nerfing it due to many players advancing in certain game areas and they can't cope with that. So instead of making the game more challenging, they might decide to nerf a strategy that we players came up with. Take a bow folks! we have surpassed the projections from the game developers to the point they can't keep up! As for pvp? Well that all depends on us isn't it? It's a shame I think if they nerf it. I believe someone would have came up with an ideal counter for that strategy. That's mu opinion anyways. I completely agree with this. Now that there is stab decks, why not work on finding innovative ways to counter it? Sounds like most DH players don't like stab because they don't know how to counter it and they love their 5* heroes
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Post by thundergod on Sept 20, 2015 1:04:42 GMT
Well...special thanks to hitmus for creating a thread that has stirred up much discussion and debate. Nice to see a lot of interest and participation. That being said......
Honestly, I don't really care if it gets nerfed or not. I'd rather it wasn't so it would force us to develop strategies against it and further evolve the game we all love to play. Seems to me that igg is nerfing it due to many players advancing in certain game areas and they can't cope with that. So instead of making the game more challenging, they might decide to nerf a strategy that we players came up with. Take a bow folks! we have surpassed the projections from the game developers to the point they can't keep up! As for pvp? Well that all depends on us isn't it? It's a shame I think if they nerf it. I believe someone would have came up with an ideal counter for that strategy. That's mu opinion anyways. I completely agree with this. Now that there is stab decks, why not work on finding innovative ways to counter it? Sounds like most DH players don't like stab because they don't know how to counter it and they love their 5* heroes There is almost no countering a good stab deck. Even the biggest counter will break even at best, and this is when preparing to attack a stab deck when you're on offense. If a good stab attacks you while you're on defense, there is pretty much no chance.
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 20, 2015 1:05:42 GMT
Well...special thanks to hitmus for creating a thread that has stirred up much discussion and debate. Nice to see a lot of interest and participation. That being said......
Honestly, I don't really care if it gets nerfed or not. I'd rather it wasn't so it would force us to develop strategies against it and further evolve the game we all love to play. Seems to me that igg is nerfing it due to many players advancing in certain game areas and they can't cope with that. So instead of making the game more challenging, they might decide to nerf a strategy that we players came up with. Take a bow folks! we have surpassed the projections from the game developers to the point they can't keep up! As for pvp? Well that all depends on us isn't it? It's a shame I think if they nerf it. I believe someone would have came up with an ideal counter for that strategy. That's mu opinion anyways. I completely agree with this. Now that there is stab decks, why not work on finding innovative ways to counter it? Sounds like most DH players don't like stab because they don't know how to counter it and they love their 5* heroes you do understand that most 5* heroes out there are farmable right? A lot of people got Oceanus via shards accumulation. Something every single dh players can do. Unless you talk about heroes such as lighthands/Odin/event heroes( only a few peoples get those, shouldn't be a problem ), you can get them as well.
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Post by OuchDamage✪NFS on Sept 20, 2015 1:07:01 GMT
Let me ask, why do you guys think stab is broken? I have finished map 14 with stab yes, but i havent completed the stars yet, why? Cause the limitation of stab deck is that its hard to beat maps that require you to kill all creatures. To those who claim they got dragonlord with stab deck, do you honestly think you can beat all maps with just stab deck, specially killing all creature maps? To those saying all you need is 5 creature with siren, can you beat maps that require health on your hero with just stab? i guess that would require different set of deck right? Meaning different cards, hero, stratregy. This is a terrible argument. Just because you can ONLY use stab to get 31/36 stars in a map does not mean it is limited. I completed virtually every mission on map 14 with a stab deck, most stages only need a slight adjustment to a core deck of stab cards to beat. The only one you really can't work your way out of with a stab deck are the destroy all creatures, but most of those are easy enough to blow up if you have a decent deck. Exactly my point. Its not just about stab. Im at 27/36 with my noob stab deck btw.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 1:10:31 GMT
Well...special thanks to hitmus for creating a thread that has stirred up much discussion and debate. Nice to see a lot of interest and participation. That being said......
Honestly, I don't really care if it gets nerfed or not. I'd rather it wasn't so it would force us to develop strategies against it and further evolve the game we all love to play. Seems to me that igg is nerfing it due to many players advancing in certain game areas and they can't cope with that. So instead of making the game more challenging, they might decide to nerf a strategy that we players came up with. Take a bow folks! we have surpassed the projections from the game developers to the point they can't keep up! As for pvp? Well that all depends on us isn't it? It's a shame I think if they nerf it. I believe someone would have came up with an ideal counter for that strategy. That's mu opinion anyways. People know how to counter stab. Its been known for awhile. If you look at top 100 tourney decks you can see that almost every not stab deck has some degree of anti-stab cards incorporated into the build hoping for The odd chance they get a good enough draw to stop a meld deck. The problem is when you run a deck full of anti stab cards, it gets trashed by normal decks. Stab forces you to use cards to counter it that otherwise aren't spectacular. If you halfass your anti-stab, you can STILL get killed by stab decks because they really only need to hit you a few times to kill you.
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Post by Karlostto✪NFS on Sept 20, 2015 1:10:49 GMT
I completely agree with this. Now that there is stab decks, why not work on finding innovative ways to counter it? Sounds like most DH players don't like stab because they don't know how to counter it and they love their 5* heroes you do understand that most 5* heroes out there are farmable right? A lot of people got Oceanus via shards accumulation. Something every single dh players can do. Unless you talk about heroes such as lighthands/Odin/event heroes( only a few peoples get those, shouldn't be a problem ), you can get them as well. I did not say they are not farmable, some players just love 5* heroes because they take so much effort to get them and level them then stab decks come along and completely destroys them... and of course there is the exclusive 5* heroes (btw just realized there is no summoning 5* hero???) I have a feeling that some p2w players started to complain to IGG about how op stab decks are
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Post by OuchDamage✪NFS on Sept 20, 2015 1:17:25 GMT
I completely agree with this. Now that there is stab decks, why not work on finding innovative ways to counter it? Sounds like most DH players don't like stab because they don't know how to counter it and they love their 5* heroes There is almost no countering a good stab deck. Even the biggest counter will break even at best, and this is when preparing to attack a stab deck when you're on offense. If a good stab attacks you while you're on defense, there is pretty much no chance. Yes there is a counter to a stab deck. And i know that you guys know it. Anyway i hope with the exchanged words here today, i hope we can still keep a peaceful community. You guys have been generous on voicing out your opinions, and so have we, and we are all entitled to it. so lets respect each ones opinion. Nerf or no nerf, whatever happens, only the developers know whats in store for us in the future. so lets just enjoy the game. After all, thats the reason why we PLAY.
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 20, 2015 1:22:59 GMT
V.7.5.0[ADJUSTMENT] 1. Stabthrough rune from 0.5% hp per level to 1% hp per level. 2. Stabthrough rune max damage limit increased to 4000. 3.Stabthrough 7 does now 175% damage to hero.
Sorry for double post. Seem like I can't copy and paste when I upload an image lol.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 1:27:12 GMT
Like naruto said, we should use this oportunity to finish the maps... i just got into stab but it was a way for ftp to get a little boost... im glad the fix is coming
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Post by thundergod on Sept 20, 2015 1:30:53 GMT
There is almost no countering a good stab deck. Even the biggest counter will break even at best, and this is when preparing to attack a stab deck when you're on offense. If a good stab attacks you while you're on defense, there is pretty much no chance. Yes there is a counter to a stab deck. And i know that you guys know it. Anyway i hope with the exchanged words here today, i hope we can still keep a peaceful community. You guys have been generous on voicing out your opinions, and so have we, and we are all entitled to it. so lets respect each ones opinion. Nerf or no nerf, whatever happens, only the developers know whats in store for us in the future. so lets just enjoy the game. After all, thats the reason why we PLAY. Yes, I know there is a counter, but that counter will go maybe break even at best against good stab decks, so the big counter isn't even all that big of a counter against good stab decks.
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Sept 20, 2015 1:39:48 GMT
A counter to Stab decks that works 100% of the time and not "break even as best". It involves a bit of Melding, but it exists.
Anyone care to guess?
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A counter to Stab decks that works 100% of the time and not "break even as best". It involves a bit of Melding, but it exists. Anyone care to guess? Block frost ranger
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Sept 20, 2015 3:57:25 GMT
See the problem you're ignoring if you say stab can be countered, is that the counter is solely for stabthrough and mega vulnerable to most other decks. With the exception of lightfoot/group tactics on 5*, the counter is dodge (not enough good dodge creatures and dodge is inferior to FA) or FA+block. Which again, isn't a good combo at high level. So you could easily make a defense deck of FA Royal Knights/Taurus Elder etc, but then that defense deck is a sitting duck for any strong Wight/bullseye/magic deck. Its so counterable you dont need stab.
When a meta centres entirely around one strategy, that strategy is broken and needs fixing- end of story.
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Post by hoax on Sept 20, 2015 4:06:59 GMT
Let me ask, why do you guys think stab is broken? I have finished map 14 with stab yes, but i havent completed the stars yet, why? Cause the limitation of stab deck is that its hard to beat maps that require you to kill all creatures. To those who claim they got dragonlord with stab deck, do you honestly think you can beat all maps with just stab deck, specially killing all creature maps? To those saying all you need is 5 creature with siren, can you beat maps that require health on your hero with just stab? i guess that would require different set of deck right? Meaning different cards, hero, stratregy. This is a terrible argument. Just because you can ONLY use stab to get 31/36 stars in a map does not mean it is limited. I completed virtually every mission on map 14 with a stab deck, most stages only need a slight adjustment to a core deck of stab cards to beat. The only one you really can't work your way out of with a stab deck are the destroy all creatures, but most of those are easy enough to blow up if you have a decent deck.
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 20, 2015 4:20:03 GMT
When a meta centres entirely around one strategy, that strategy is broken and needs fixing- end of story. nicely said !
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Post by yoshikyoshik_WK_ on Sept 20, 2015 6:14:12 GMT
V.7.5.0[ADJUSTMENT] 1. Stabthrough rune from 0.5% hp per level to 1% hp per level. 2. Stabthrough rune max damage limit increased to 4000. 3.Stabthrough 7 does now 175% damage to hero. Sorry for double post. Seem like I can't copy and paste when I upload an image lol. But if it will be like in that announcement, the adjustment isn't that big. Or do I miss something?
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Post by sonbalin on Sept 20, 2015 6:18:34 GMT
V.7.5.0[ADJUSTMENT] 1. Stabthrough rune from 0.5% hp per level to 1% hp per level. 2. Stabthrough rune max damage limit increased to 4000. 3.Stabthrough 7 does now 175% damage to hero. Sorry for double post. Seem like I can't copy and paste when I upload an image lol. But if it will be like in that announcement, the adjustment isn't that big. Or do I miss something? Think you missed something - Your sarcasmometer is broken.
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Post by yoshikyoshik_WK_ on Sept 20, 2015 6:25:41 GMT
But if it will be like in that announcement, the adjustment isn't that big. Or do I miss something? Think you missed something - Your sarcasmometer is broken. As soon as I finished my post, it came to my mind that it only can be sarcasm... :-D lol
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Post by •JC•Herby on Sept 20, 2015 8:16:18 GMT
Its a good balance/nerf. Stabthr is easy 2 use so the more complex deck builds will have a moment 2 shine with stab gone. Stop crying about the nerf and focus on some other strategy.
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Post by rafutela✪NFS on Sept 20, 2015 8:24:44 GMT
LOL. Revive is so freakig easy to counter cmon. beat map 14 with any 5 cards combination except stab? This is pretty much the point. Revive may be strong but is only as good as the team of cards around it. if you can't protect a revive its not worth very much. Stab atm is being melded to whatever sweeping blow cards people can get and thrown in a deck that is doing pretty well. Yes stab can be countered but it compared to more costly harder to build teams stab has very limited counters. Also no matter what you think of Greedy IGG or anything first things first this games job is to bring a profit to IGG. The fact that such an easy to obtain deck is so strong and so simple to build as melding a skill gotten from a 2s card to any card with sweeping blow is bad for the games income and is not good for the long term profits of the game which could effect IGGS investment back in to the game and new features being added Most logical argument around this thread. This is not about being broken, it's about financial impact when a "easy to get" deck can fight with high end map. I'm neither pro or cons with stab, it's just too much overpowered in map exploration (you shouldn't clear map with only 5 creatures) BUT in arena/tournament, I think it has his place. IMO nerf stab in pve ant let it that way in pvp maybe ?
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Post by rafutela✪NFS on Sept 20, 2015 8:27:12 GMT
A counter to Stab decks that works 100% of the time and not "break even as best". It involves a bit of Melding, but it exists. Anyone care to guess? Block frost ranger FA5 centaur chief Which also counter Sac8 Graboid.
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"stab, stab, stab your way, mentally down the map, merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily kiss its arse good bye."
Limit all kinds of sweeping stab through damage to standard 2k per creature.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 10:02:56 GMT
OH COME ON ALREADY LOSE ALL FAITH IN IGG THAT THEY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PROPER GAME BALANCING OR ANY FORM OF PROPER COMPENSATION PEOPLE!!!!!
YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE LEARNT YOUR LESSON ABOUT HOW IGG TREATS THEIR PLAYERBASE AFTER THE AP/KQ NERFS AND THE RUNE DECK POWER UPDATE
TAKE A LOOK AT MY POST FROM THE OCEANUS OP! THREAD IN GENERAL DISCUSSION. I HAVE SEEN THIS NERF CCOMING FROM A MILE AWAY.
QUOTE ON QUOTE : SUCH KINDS OF s*** SHOWS SHOULDNT BE A SURPRISE FOR ANYBODY
OH AND DONT EXPECT THERE TO BE ANY SORT OF COMPENSATION EITHER, YOUR JUST KIDDING YOURSELF :DDDDDD
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Post by drakkan on Sept 20, 2015 11:19:10 GMT
The biggest problem with nerfing stab is resources lost. It takes a month to farm just 1 stabboid. For some players its a huge tempo loss. And as Hitmus said, we paid for it (energy, explore refresh, boosters, ..) so we are customers. OFC compensation is expected. Some don't have luxury of saying "well ok, 1 deck more or less".
Anyways, you cannot get Dragonlord by Stabthrough only as you need to kill all creatures so its not a proper "reward".
Edit. And I just remembered all the essences needed to lvl all that to lvl15...
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Sept 20, 2015 11:56:14 GMT
i am happy that I created that threat nice to see so many discussions. Even Naruto jokes about mine compensation idea:) I am saying that only idiot not changing mind. Maybe I will change base on this discussion let's see. But nice to see finaly discussion I am reading from start to end. In case counter to stab, stab can be countered in general on middle level. Not many persons has decks similar to Naruto with, 95% winning rate. I guess only max several players in game has it. But soon this game can change name to deck stab heroes so it must be changed. Still have open in my head question about nerfs and resources spend, also benefit I took from op stab and compensation or not . Don't have final opinion maybe will have some after few days of discussion. Anyway thx to all for input.( even calling me idiot for sth I said totaly differently was funny )
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Post by nin7 on Sept 20, 2015 12:09:57 GMT
The biggest problem with nerfing stab is resources lost. It takes a month to farm just 1 stabboid. For some players its a huge tempo loss. And as Hitmus said, we paid for it (energy, explore refresh, boosters, ..) so we are customers. OFC compensation is expected. Some don't have luxury of saying "well ok, 1 deck more or less". Anyways, you cannot get Dragonlord by Stabthrough only as you need to kill all creatures so its not a proper "reward". Edit. And I just remembered all the essences needed to lvl all that to lvl15... The thing is you also got easier map exploration, which gives plenty of resources in return. ...and trials ...and people climbed through Arena, Tournament and did Gauntlet with it Now, someone that just arrived to map 10 (or is not even there) and didn't had the chance to get all those benefits... If people that made use of sth decks get more compensation it would be unfair for any new player The access to new resources (creatures and mazes for example) that you have thanks to sth decks may allready be an unfair gap for someone that was just a month late to the party Glory, essences, gold...you can get a fair amount of that back just by recycling your runes and creatures, I think people should start figuring how to get the most
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Post by Orgoth on Sept 20, 2015 14:58:52 GMT
probably stupid question but how will stab be nerfed/balanced?
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Post by Orgoth on Sept 20, 2015 15:02:15 GMT
Also probably another stupid question when it does get nerfed cam you just not uodate the game?
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