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Post by stuuu✪NFS on Sept 22, 2015 20:22:21 GMT
I don't have Revive or Paragon so I'm now at a bit of a disadvantage since my army of 13 stab creatures are worthless (and everyone else's to be fair). So now what? Anyone have any good ideas for a good tourney deck based around generally available 5* and melded 4*? I have Warlock, Judgement, Overlord, lvl 9 Wight and lvl 9 Berserker plus the rest of the 4* at decent levels. For the purposes of this thread, just assume I have 1 or 2 of every common 5* and an infinite number of all 4*
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Post by rainman2412✪NFS on Sept 22, 2015 20:43:31 GMT
Stuuu, I think the balancing of the stab decks just reverts us back to the pre-stab meta game. Defensive tourney decks still include Predator, Rider, Berserker, etc. with a good mix of stoneskin/immunity, and other balanced cards. Interestingly, the huge increase in Hero Vigor runes will also destroy the Curse deck as a viable tourney deck. So most people now have to replace 2 good decks.
For offensive decks, the good old Wight/Mortii deck is still a winner against most Neander decks. I have had surprisingly good luck with a Faen magic deck against Human and Mortii opponents. I have Devil Hunter with a level five Sorcery V rune and then a bunch of magic dealers including 2 Phoenix, 3 Flame Brave, Naga Mistress, Sea Wizard, Tidal Siren, etc.. All of the cards are unmelded at this point but they still do okay against the right deck. I have spent a lot of time and energy on a stabthrough deck so now I plan to switch over and get some good melds on these cards. I think that melded this deck could be quite powerful now that Hero Killing appears to be off the table. I only use that deck as an offensive deck and not a defensive deck because of the obvious weakness to Neander.
Good luck!
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Post by Pyron on Sept 22, 2015 22:40:58 GMT
Yeah it kinda sux that Stabthrough will be out of flavor. I actually liked to see defense stabthrough deck, as most of them aren't hard to deal with, so it was occasionally a freebie. I'm using two stabthrough decks as defense, but one was pretty weak and rarely effective, so I'm losing one major defensive deck after patch basically.
At our tier at tournament, I see people with two or more paragons as well, so when the meta reverts back to grinding decks, I guess we will need something that deals lot of damage really fast. Sorta like an offensive tempo deck. For defense it's quite hard with only 3 recyclers. I'm a bit better off than you because of Paragon.
I guess for you maybe a neander deck with Nidhoggs staking Earth Totems and melded Graboids/Twins. I guess go full power with Wight and the third could be a decent Human deck with Warlock with Bulleyes overload.
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Post by stuuu✪NFS on Sept 23, 2015 2:18:25 GMT
Yea bullseye is crucial. I have a decent sorcery rune on judgement and a flame brave with incinerate and a good fire rune. Problem is that magic damage doesn't touch immunity and I see a lot of fun cards like sac cancer and immunity 9 paragon and revive fafnir, dragonlord etc.
I can work hero match-ups all I want but at the end of the day it's hard to beat a deck with paragon and immunity plus revive. Boo hoo.
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Sept 24, 2015 12:07:17 GMT
sac pit dragons/Anathema's all the way then?
To be fair, is it really that bad that we are having to come up with new tactics? Even though it is a punch in the love spuds to lose our beloved stab decks, surely a chance to stretch our grey cells to come up with new decks will keep things interesting?
We are gonna have to move from hero kill to single shot crit kills. May give some out of favor cards a new lease of life? Wonder how long until we see melded Angel Primes and possibly even Valkyrie?
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Post by sonbalin on Sept 24, 2015 13:08:43 GMT
sac pit dragons/Anathema's all the way then? To be fair, is it really that bad that we are having to come up with new tactics? Even though it is a punch in the love spuds to lose our beloved stab decks, surely a chance to stretch our grey cells to come up with new decks will keep things interesting? We are gonna have to move from hero kill to single shot crit kills. May give some out of favor cards a new lease of life? Wonder how long until we see melded Angel Primes and possibly even Valkyrie? Melded Valkyrie's are already a small thing and I think they'll get more popularity due to how easily farmable they are - I say this despite the fact I've only managed 1 shard in 3 days. Screw you RNG. Melded Michael's are probably going to be a much bigger thing though, easily the best 4* Bullseye crit IMO. I think the move away from Stab decks will be much better tactics wise. Love it or hate it, I think it's hard to argue that Stab is ultimately a boring playstyle that restricted strategy and tactics due to how effective it was. I've no idea why I'm talking past tense when it hasn't actually changed yet either.
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Sept 24, 2015 14:15:04 GMT
Darn the Deck Heroes wiki for not having Michael in the Bullseye chart. I forgot all about him, but yeah, will be an awesome card with different melds, to combat dodge/FA. im slowly working on his shards although IGG need ot fix the source tab for him.
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Post by sonbalin on Sept 24, 2015 14:16:57 GMT
Yeah, having to go to the specific Dungeons to explore for him got annoying in about 2 seconds.
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Post by stuuu✪NFS on Sept 24, 2015 19:47:10 GMT
My anti-stab deck was pretty solid. Judgement with lightfoot and a mix of disposal and magic dealers was hard to beat. I'm still not quite sure why people think Puppeteer is a good card. For a lot of strategies there is an available counter, but there is really no counter to some of the more uber cards. For Example Sac Cancer is rather hard to kill in tourney since you can't manually play. Revive Fafnir is pretty ridiculous. Mimir's is a lot easier to kill, but still pretty nasty. Don't get me started on revive dragonlord. Maybe once I have captivator I'll have better luck against decks that have a lot of uber revivers and bullseye. I think the bottom line is that I no longer have top 100 skills so I'll be messing about in top 200 for a while. I can't complain too much as I've only spent about $20 on this game. Or maybe the 10x boost to hero vigor runes is a typo in which case I could be regular top 50 after next meld day. Time will tell.
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Post by Pyron on Sept 25, 2015 11:40:35 GMT
I've just fought a guy with 2 defense stabdecks. One with Wight and the other with Overlord, both heroes that were sitting ducks against these decks. Wight had Vigor V but no bless and Overlord Vigor IV with some Bless back up. Pretty much these runes shutdown these decks. Time to swap decks ASAP.
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Post by sonbalin on Sept 25, 2015 11:54:22 GMT
Stab's still useful for offence if your opponent doesn't have a Hero Vigor rune.
I'm guessing everyone will have Hero Vigor runes soon though, even if they're 3* I guess they'll add a decent amount of HP at level 4-5.
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Post by Pyron on Sept 25, 2015 12:09:03 GMT
Stab's still useful for offence if your opponent doesn't have a Hero Vigor rune. I'm guessing everyone will have Hero Vigor runes soon though, even if they're 3* I guess they'll add a decent amount of HP at level 4-5. Offense yeah, for now because people at ranking 50 to 100 didn't swap their runes yet, but when they wake up, they will sleeve up their Vigor runes in their defense decks and even attack stab may not be good enough at this ranking. I already have my three heroes with Vigor runes, so I imagine the players with more means at this ranking will have Vigor V in their 3 defense decks. Now dunno about the situation at lower ranking. For instance, my lvl 82 alt account doesn't have a Vigor V, it has just one Vigor IV and I think maybe Vigor III will be lacking unless lvl 5+ and I don't have the resources to up one, so basically I only can protect one of my defense decks with one rune while the other two will be exposed. So I imagine that some F2P at lower rankings will still suffer for stabs for a while.
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Post by sonbalin on Sept 25, 2015 12:12:49 GMT
I'm only hovering around 1000. I expect it will remain relatively useful here for a while.
The top end of Tournament is obviously going to be better equipped to handle the changes than everyone else, as you say.
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Post by SoaponaRope [BK] on Sept 29, 2015 3:09:56 GMT
Darn the Deck Heroes wiki for not having Michael in the Bullseye chart. I forgot all about him, but yeah, will be an awesome card with different melds, to combat dodge/FA. im slowly working on his shards although IGG need ot fix the source tab for him. Haha sorry I haven't updated in a LONG time =\ I'm still doing research but honestly Wikia kept changing things and pissing me off. Guess I should update it though. This is a somewhat up-to-date chart, missing I think 4 new creatures: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L1XuFCgT9xwalGFEGKd2Hh1btcOvAvLxDmJ_Y4qO2Bg/edit#gid=1411175114
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Post by ScreaminBon on Oct 4, 2015 4:34:33 GMT
Yeah, having to go to the specific Dungeons to explore for him got annoying in about 2 seconds. That bug annoyed me instantly. But just like the not being able to get the Facebook share coupon from Valkyrie, it's not important to IGG, so the bug will never be fixed.
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