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Post by kakola on Mar 14, 2015 12:23:51 GMT
Lets share those nasty combos:
Rebirth - Instakill (Harbinger)/Recycle (Light Brave) Sweeping Blow - Battleblow/Venoms Edge/Life Sap/Weakness/Sacrifice (Swordmaster/Techno-Chief/Graboid) Bullseye - Battleblow (Manticore) Immunity(+Dodge) - Recycle (Horned Beast) Frost Armor(+Maji Shield) - Recycle (Swordmaster) Stone Skin - Recycle (Royal Dragon) Disposal - Rebirth Frost Armor - Bless (Frost Rager for guild map) Frost Armor - Anger (Frost Rager for guild map) Bless(+Heal All) - Assassinate/Blaze (Blood Warlock for guild map) Frost Armor - Block Frost Armor - Retaliate Sneak - Blaze (Royal Dancer)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2015 13:04:30 GMT
Lets share those nasty combos: Rebirth - Instakill (Harbinger) Sweeping Blow - Battleblow/Venoms Edge/Life Sap/Weakness/Sacrifice (Swordmaster/Techno-Chief/Graboid) Bullseye - Battleblow (Manticore) Immunity(+Dodge) - Recycle (Swordmaster) Frost Armor(+Maji Shield) - Recycle (Swordmaster) Stone Skin - Recycle (Royal Dragon) Disposal - Rebirth Frost Armor - Bless (Frost Rager for guild map) Frost Armor - Anger (Frost rager for guild map) Bless(+Heal All) - Assassinate/Blaze (Blood Warlock for guild map) Frost Armor - Block Frost Armor - Retaliate Sneak - Blaze (Royal Dancer) Thoughts? Suggestions? Top players have frost armor 5 and above on royal dragon and some have disposal on it.
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Post by entropy✪NFS on Mar 14, 2015 18:47:21 GMT
Lets share those nasty combos: Rebirth - Instakill (Harbinger) Sweeping Blow - Battleblow/Venoms Edge/Life Sap/Weakness/Sacrifice (Swordmaster/Techno-Chief/Graboid) Bullseye - Battleblow (Manticore) Immunity(+Dodge) - Recycle (Swordmaster) Frost Armor(+Maji Shield) - Recycle (Swordmaster) Stone Skin - Recycle (Royal Dragon) Disposal - Rebirth Frost Armor - Bless (Frost Rager for guild map) Frost Armor - Anger (Frost rager for guild map) Bless(+Heal All) - Assassinate/Blaze (Blood Warlock for guild map) Frost Armor - Block Frost Armor - Retaliate Sneak - Blaze (Royal Dancer) Thoughts? Suggestions? Nice list! Let's keep adding to it! :-)
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Post by Sephiroth [BK] on Mar 15, 2015 3:38:41 GMT
Lets share those nasty combos: Rebirth - Instakill (Harbinger) Sweeping Blow - Battleblow/Venoms Edge/Life Sap/Weakness/Sacrifice (Swordmaster/Techno-Chief/Graboid) Bullseye - Battleblow (Manticore) Immunity(+Dodge) - Recycle (Swordmaster) Frost Armor(+Maji Shield) - Recycle (Swordmaster) Stone Skin - Recycle (Royal Dragon) Disposal - Rebirth Frost Armor - Bless (Frost Rager for guild map) Frost Armor - Anger (Frost rager for guild map) Bless(+Heal All) - Assassinate/Blaze (Blood Warlock for guild map) Frost Armor - Block Frost Armor - Retaliate Sneak - Blaze (Royal Dancer) Thoughts? Suggestions? Great list mate! I have a rager with bless and harbinger with Instakill in the works. Great thread
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Post by kakola on Mar 15, 2015 11:25:59 GMT
I think it was already confirmed in another thread, but you can build up multiple expertises and switch between talents using only one master and duplicate. I have 2 frost ragers with both bless and anger.
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Post by entropy✪NFS on Mar 15, 2015 20:25:44 GMT
I think it was already confirmed in another thread, but you can build up multiple expertises and switch between talents using only one master and duplicate. I have 2 frost ragers with both bless and anger. Could you elaborate on this a little bit more? Do you have 2 frost ragers with both bless AND anger together on each of them? I don't think its possible... Or you meant that once you have already melded two different skills to the same frost rager (basically switchng them) than you can change it back tot the original one, because the expertise will remain the same 100%?
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Mar 15, 2015 20:28:41 GMT
I think it was already confirmed in another thread, but you can build up multiple expertises and switch between talents using only one master and duplicate. I have 2 frost ragers with both bless and anger. Could you elaborate on this a little bit more? Do you have 2 frost ragers with both bless AND anger together on each of them? I don't think its possible... Or you meant that once you have already melded two different skills to the same frost rager (basically switchng them) than you can change it back tot the original one, because the expertise will remain the same 100%? He means both skills have 100% Expertise. You can then just flip skills between the two based on need.
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Post by entropy✪NFS on Mar 15, 2015 20:44:13 GMT
Could you elaborate on this a little bit more? Do you have 2 frost ragers with both bless AND anger together on each of them? I don't think its possible... Or you meant that once you have already melded two different skills to the same frost rager (basically switchng them) than you can change it back tot the original one, because the expertise will remain the same 100%? He means both skills have 100% Expertise. You can then just flip skills between the two based on need. So the second option which I wrote - that makes sense, and the method was proven earlier Still thanks for the heads up kakola!
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Post by aketto on Mar 15, 2015 21:13:48 GMT
I tried something different with the Frost Rager - Assassinate 7(210 DMG) but in my opinion this is very situational. I got a Devil Hunter hero and wanted to make a deck without magic DMG dealt. I put Faen Strenght 7, Agile 7 and Battle Set 7 as Talents and have't upgraded the hero skill just yet. Also melded Faen Marksman with Stinger 6 and with that it became one hell of a fighter. So... with that hero talents I can say that it works very good. On the map 8 and 9 the Frost Rager survived 6-7 rounds each time while dealing constant 210 DMG to the most damaged creature. What do you think about that combination?
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Post by DianaTroy [βκ] on Mar 15, 2015 21:18:05 GMT
I tried something different with the Frost Rager - Assassinate 7(210 DMG) but in my opinion this is very situational. I got a Devil Hunter hero and wanted to make a deck without magic DMG dealt. I put Faen Strenght 7, Agile 7 and Battle Set 7 as Talents and have't upgraded the hero skill just yet. Also melded Faen Marksman with Stinger 6 and with that it became one hell of a fighter. So... with that hero talents I can say that it works very good. On the map 8 and 9 the Frost Rager survived 6-7 rounds each time while dealing constant 210 DMG to the most damaged creature. What do you think about that combination? I put Meteor 7 (210-350 damage, random target) on one of my Faen Marksman. When there is only one, or even two, creatures on the board it really can clean house.
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Post by kakola on Mar 16, 2015 11:32:54 GMT
Yes you can have multiple skills with 100% expertise.
Assassinate is really good when there are only few of those pesky dodgers available. My guild map deck looks like this (need more gold and exp to finish levels and melds):
Damage dealers: Paladin - frost armor Juggernaut - frost armor Royal Dragon - frost armor Royal Dragon - frost armor Swordmaster - battleblow Royal Knight - frost armor Techno-Chief - frost armor
Healers: Oracle - frost armor Oracle Frost Rager - bless Frost Rager - bless Frost Rager - bless Blood Warlock - assassinate Blood Warlock - assassinate
I select my fighters according to opponent:
-For example if only few enemies are left alive, blood warlock with assasinate is good choice. Just tank with frost armor units (paladin really good because of bullseye) and deploy blood warlocks to far right. Just be sure to always check enemy hero skill. For example tauro brute in map 2 has skill that does 900 direct dmg to random creatures. Therefore its not wise to use creatures with less than 900 hp. I leave blood warlocks out of the roster in these cases but still use ragers because they have elven salve which boosts their hp.
-Royal dragons are great in map 2 because they are immune to retreat and can lock down revenant.
-The heroes I use are mainly just patriach and zora marauder. Wight is my only 4* hero atm but he is good especially with cripple.
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Post by andypk on Mar 16, 2015 13:10:15 GMT
I tried something different with the Frost Rager - Assassinate 7(210 DMG) but in my opinion this is very situational. I got a Devil Hunter hero and wanted to make a deck without magic DMG dealt. I put Faen Strenght 7, Agile 7 and Battle Set 7 as Talents and have't upgraded the hero skill just yet. Also melded Faen Marksman with Stinger 6 and with that it became one hell of a fighter. So... with that hero talents I can say that it works very good. On the map 8 and 9 the Frost Rager survived 6-7 rounds each time while dealing constant 210 DMG to the most damaged creature. What do you think about that combination? I put Meteor 7 (210-350 damage, random target) on one of my Faen Marksman. When there is only one, or even two, creatures on the board it really can clean house. Yeah I did Soul Swap 8 on a Marksman a while back. 540 range damage with a little heal.
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Post by gatecrasher✪NFS on Mar 17, 2015 8:04:10 GMT
Just got my Royal Dragon/Frost Armor 7 tonight. First try so I have four more I am going to wait for another double meld day (and actually have gold when it happens lol) and put rebirth, instakill or disposal on another.
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Post by nebiros✪NFS on Mar 18, 2015 10:08:53 GMT
Something which I thought about is Sentry Angel with Immunity 9 from spider queen. Only problem would be safeguarding your hero I guess....
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Post by Darker on Mar 18, 2015 20:10:57 GMT
Hello everyone. Where do you guys get the recycle skill ? I got a Talassa, but i cant give recycle to my Swordmaster... When i select him to meld, no 5 star creatures appear, so... what am i doing wrong ?!
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Post by Krevorn [NFS] on Mar 18, 2015 20:54:39 GMT
Hello everyone. Where do you guys get the recycle skill ? I got a Talassa, but i cant give recycle to my Swordmaster... When i select him to meld, no 5 star creatures appear, so... what am i doing wrong ?! Thank you Is your Thalassa locked?
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Post by strider on Mar 21, 2015 13:36:23 GMT
recycle comes from thalassa/hippolyta/dahlia. You may have thalassa in use in a deck so you cant use to meld.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 14:01:05 GMT
Hello everyone. Where do you guys get the recycle skill ? I got a Talassa, but i cant give recycle to my Swordmaster... When i select him to meld, no 5 star creatures appear, so... what am i doing wrong ?! Thank you you can put recycle on swordmaster you just have either bane 6 or death march selected which is why it wont allow you to meld off the thalassa or you dont have multiple copies of swordmaster.
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Post by andypk on Mar 23, 2015 13:58:23 GMT
I had a dilemma yesterday. Had 4 copies of Harbinger. To Recycle or to instakill, that was the question. In the end I chose instakill. Still not sure that was correct. I run a morti deck so eliminating a neandor for a morti seemed to make sense. Plus Harbinger's rebirth seemed like a sweet combo with instakill. And Thalassa has other traits that work well with my deck. First he adds 175 damage to my deck. And he has an extra 600 hp. The thing that makes the decision so hard is the 6 to 4 turn wait reduction and the dodge. I got to say I had a hard time deciding. In the end though, even though I blew gems on the three meld tries, I'm going to have to wait till I get another copy of Harbinger. Could have just used gems once and 2 coins rounds to get to 100%. Just don't know when I'm going to get another Harbinger, so I blew the gems all 3 times.
Bah I think I should have done recycle. Dullahan would be my first choice, but I have only 1 of him. I have 3 light braves, but not sure I want to drop a morti for a fae. I've seen some of the WKs with Graboid having recycle. Interesting choice there. Damage dealer that can recycle. With stoneskin. Decent hit points doesn't use magic. The doesn't use magic was the other interesting point. Spiky bits and sharp armor are common on the maps. Currently on 11-8. Sharp armor there could have made Harbinger a problem. Graboid has a 6 wait time though.
So what is the best choice for recycle? (for a main deck of morti)
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Post by thundergod on Mar 23, 2015 14:58:57 GMT
I have instakill on my Harbinger. For recycle, I see most decks have it on either Harbinger, Light Brave, Dullahan, Swordmaster, or Royal Dragon. I really dislike the idea of recycle on Graboid even though it seems like a lot of people put it on him.
I put recycle on horned beast back when it was the only thing I could get copies of and when I had a faen deck. In my mortii deck now, I still prefer it over other choices even with the low stats mainly because of its resistance to lockdown. You'll notice a huge difference when facing multiple seals or delay 3s. It can still survive a little while on auto battles(arena and such) if you are a cripple user.
Otherwise, Light Brave/Swordmaster/Dullahan are probably your best bets.
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Post by andypk on Mar 23, 2015 16:36:59 GMT
I have instakill on my Harbinger. For recycle, I see most decks have it on either Harbinger, Light Brave, Dullahan, Swordmaster, or Royal Dragon. I really dislike the idea of recycle on Graboid even though it seems like a lot of people put it on him. I put recycle on horned beast back when it was the only thing I could get copies of and when I had a faen deck. In my mortii deck now, I still prefer it over other choices even with the low stats mainly because of its resistance to lockdown. You'll notice a huge difference when facing multiple seals or delay 3s. It can still survive a little while on auto battles(arena and such) if you are a cripple user. Otherwise, Light Brave/Swordmaster/Dullahan are probably your best bets. I see the reasoning for Graboid. If it wasn't for the 6 turn entry it's a no brainer. Especially when considering the Royal Dragon. Both have stoneskin, so that's a wash. Both have no magic so neither are scary to use against Spiky Bits/Sharp Armor. Points for Graboid: - An absolute beast at lvl 15 hitting for 794x3. That is 2382 total damage if it hits fully. As opposed to the royal dragon which hits for an average of 994 to one creature (1278 when battle blow occurs, 710 without) - You can freely get them searching dungeons. You need 5 total to guarantee a meld (which I was just painfully reminded about with Harbinger) - 179 mpore hit points - Ravage 7 - 105% increase against humans. (I think I read that 11-11 is a human deck). Points for Royal Dragon: - 4 turn timer - Swordmaster is a good choice, but I needed a couple of my copies for a guild map deck build. Only have 2 left need 5. - Light brave seems like a good choice but I need 2 recycles for the explorer maps and Spike Bits/Sharp Armor is prevalent on some of the tougher battles. I have 3 light braves, need 2 more for guarantee. - Harbinger, so close to pulling the trigger. If he has restoration instead of soul swap, I would have done it. Magic...bad. - Dullahan - I've gotten one Dullahan in 3.5 months. If I ever get any more I'm attempting it first x2 event. Honestly I think I'm going to go the Graboid route. I do cripple as you pointed out. But I also have undying 10. So while cripple is in effect so is undying. I have no issue with the early game, late game is where I am having issues.
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Post by kakola on Mar 23, 2015 17:09:58 GMT
I had a dilemma yesterday. Had 4 copies of Harbinger. To Recycle or to instakill, that was the question. In the end I chose instakill. Still not sure that was correct. I run a morti deck so eliminating a neandor for a morti seemed to make sense. Plus Harbinger's rebirth seemed like a sweet combo with instakill. And Thalassa has other traits that work well with my deck. First he adds 175 damage to my deck. And he has an extra 600 hp. The thing that makes the decision so hard is the 6 to 4 turn wait reduction and the dodge. I got to say I had a hard time deciding. In the end though, even though I blew gems on the three meld tries, I'm going to have to wait till I get another copy of Harbinger. Could have just used gems once and 2 coins rounds to get to 100%. Just don't know when I'm going to get another Harbinger, so I blew the gems all 3 times. Bah I think I should have done recycle. Dullahan would be my first choice, but I have only 1 of him. I have 3 light braves, but not sure I want to drop a morti for a fae. I've seen some of the WKs with Graboid having recycle. Interesting choice there. Damage dealer that can recycle. With stoneskin. Decent hit points doesn't use magic. The doesn't use magic was the other interesting point. Spiky bits and sharp armor are common on the maps. Currently on 11-8. Sharp armor there could have made Harbinger a problem. Graboid has a 6 wait time though. So what is the best choice for recycle? (for a main deck of morti) Harbinger with instakill and horned beast / light brave / swordmaster etc with recycle imo.
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Post by thundergod on Mar 23, 2015 17:37:11 GMT
I can see Graboid with recycle working well in a neander deck with a Nidhogg, but I don't like 6 turn cards for recyclers, especially 2 if using double recycle. I just like skills that take advantage of Graboid's base stats and sweeping blow.
Stoneskin does help it though.
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Post by andypk on Mar 23, 2015 17:55:24 GMT
I had a dilemma yesterday. Had 4 copies of Harbinger. To Recycle or to instakill, that was the question. In the end I chose instakill. Still not sure that was correct. I run a morti deck so eliminating a neandor for a morti seemed to make sense. Plus Harbinger's rebirth seemed like a sweet combo with instakill. And Thalassa has other traits that work well with my deck. First he adds 175 damage to my deck. And he has an extra 600 hp. The thing that makes the decision so hard is the 6 to 4 turn wait reduction and the dodge. I got to say I had a hard time deciding. In the end though, even though I blew gems on the three meld tries, I'm going to have to wait till I get another copy of Harbinger. Could have just used gems once and 2 coins rounds to get to 100%. Just don't know when I'm going to get another Harbinger, so I blew the gems all 3 times. Bah I think I should have done recycle. Dullahan would be my first choice, but I have only 1 of him. I have 3 light braves, but not sure I want to drop a morti for a fae. I've seen some of the WKs with Graboid having recycle. Interesting choice there. Damage dealer that can recycle. With stoneskin. Decent hit points doesn't use magic. The doesn't use magic was the other interesting point. Spiky bits and sharp armor are common on the maps. Currently on 11-8. Sharp armor there could have made Harbinger a problem. Graboid has a 6 wait time though. So what is the best choice for recycle? (for a main deck of morti) Harbinger with instakill and horned beast / light brave / swordmaster etc with recycle imo. Does the Horned beast's immunity fend off bleed?
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Post by megapuncher on Mar 23, 2015 18:23:37 GMT
I can see Graboid with recycle working well in a neander deck with a Nidhogg, but I don't like 6 turn cards for recyclers, especially 2 if using double recycle. I just like skills that take advantage of Graboid's base stats and sweeping blow. Stoneskin does help it though.
Disagree a bit man - in case of Graboid, 6 turn is actually an advantage:
1. Opponent's disposal cards will target Graboid for 1 turn (or 2 turns) at least. 2. Your cemetery might have 1 card for graboid's recycle already
The down side of graboid with recycle that it is prone to magic damage and seals.
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Post by stuuu✪NFS on Mar 23, 2015 18:23:45 GMT
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Post by Sephiroth [BK] on Mar 23, 2015 19:16:45 GMT
I had a dilemma yesterday. Had 4 copies of Harbinger. To Recycle or to instakill, that was the question. In the end I chose instakill. Still not sure that was correct. I run a morti deck so eliminating a neandor for a morti seemed to make sense. Plus Harbinger's rebirth seemed like a sweet combo with instakill. And Thalassa has other traits that work well with my deck. First he adds 175 damage to my deck. And he has an extra 600 hp. The thing that makes the decision so hard is the 6 to 4 turn wait reduction and the dodge. I got to say I had a hard time deciding. In the end though, even though I blew gems on the three meld tries, I'm going to have to wait till I get another copy of Harbinger. Could have just used gems once and 2 coins rounds to get to 100%. Just don't know when I'm going to get another Harbinger, so I blew the gems all 3 times. Bah I think I should have done recycle. Dullahan would be my first choice, but I have only 1 of him. I have 3 light braves, but not sure I want to drop a morti for a fae. I've seen some of the WKs with Graboid having recycle. Interesting choice there. Damage dealer that can recycle. With stoneskin. Decent hit points doesn't use magic. The doesn't use magic was the other interesting point. Spiky bits and sharp armor are common on the maps. Currently on 11-8. Sharp armor there could have made Harbinger a problem. Graboid has a 6 wait time though. So what is the best choice for recycle? (for a main deck of morti) I recently had a similar dilemma. I chose instakill because it made sense to switch a neander for a Mortii. It's working well for me, since the mid I've shot to 10-5/6 on the maps Can't help but feel that recycle would have been better bit thay said instakill is doing a good job. The only thing I don't like about it is the AI can exploit the harbinger/instakill combo quite easy when it doesn't wanna let you win. A weapon In PvP battles though.
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Post by andypk on Mar 23, 2015 20:08:07 GMT
I'm a big fan of Stoneskin so I would go Dullahan or Graboid. In the Horned beast's defense it has 70% of stoneskin. But yeah, I'd definitely put it on Dullahan if possible but I don't have the copies
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Post by kakola on Mar 24, 2015 10:58:43 GMT
I can see Graboid with recycle working well in a neander deck with a Nidhogg, but I don't like 6 turn cards for recyclers, especially 2 if using double recycle. I just like skills that take advantage of Graboid's base stats and sweeping blow. Stoneskin does help it though.
Disagree a bit man - in case of Graboid, 6 turn is actually an advantage:
1. Opponent's disposal cards will target Graboid for 1 turn (or 2 turns) at least. 2. Your cemetery might have 1 card for graboid's recycle already
The down side of graboid with recycle that it is prone to magic damage and seals.
I agree. This is exatly why i use spider queens. To tank disposal
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Post by andypk on Mar 25, 2015 14:02:58 GMT
So I got another 5* creature with coupons last night. And now I'm thinking I have another candidate for recycle. What do you all think about a Bloodletter with recycle 1? I'm up to 3 now. 5 is a guarantee on a 2x day.
Stoneskin Life Sap 6 1860 Hps 4 turn delay timer 801 dmg plus 175 for each creature in the graveyard (curious what would happen first, tit for tat or recycle?) And she doesn't have magic
You usually hold your recycle creature till it will be needed so if tit for tat works before recycle this seems like a no brainer.
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