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Post by wathon on Oct 12, 2015 4:16:13 GMT
so which fighter do you think is best from mines?, im wondering between the mithrill drone for human deck or dusk huntress for lockdown.. I'd get drone first, but technically you can get drone from heist (have to wait for the next heist and see). Since there is no limit on how many shards you can buy in one day, I would just save the mine crystals for now and make the decision later. That's what I'm doing, saving 25000 crystal and buy all the shards at once.
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Post by marleen on Oct 12, 2015 8:25:28 GMT
Is it possible to get full card from the energy mine? Yes it is. I got Laurel, 4 star, from the first chest in the energy mine.
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Post by bemyservant on Oct 12, 2015 11:02:34 GMT
Did the gem-mines today till first chest:
Blue: 100gems and got 330 ore + oceanus-Shard
Orange: 350gems and got 700 ore + Paragon-Shard + !!!Phantom Liege!!!
Every day should be like this ;-)
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Post by igjarvi on Oct 12, 2015 11:31:18 GMT
So two posts put the second mine at 100 gems to get to the first chest - does this mean it scales up mid-way? It's five steps to the chest and the first is 10 gems, so it should be 50 gems, or maybe opening the chest cost gems?
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Post by Ⓐ✯taas on Oct 12, 2015 11:45:18 GMT
So two posts put the second mine at 100 gems to get to the first chest - does this mean it scales up mid-way? It's five steps to the chest and the first is 10 gems, so it should be 50 gems, or maybe opening the chest cost gems? Opening the chest is for free.
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Post by igjarvi on Oct 12, 2015 12:45:59 GMT
So two posts put the second mine at 100 gems to get to the first chest - does this mean it scales up mid-way? It's five steps to the chest and the first is 10 gems, so it should be 50 gems, or maybe opening the chest cost gems? Opening the chest is for free. That's what I supposed, so either they both made a mistake in writing, or it scales up during the five steps to the chest.
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Oct 12, 2015 12:55:18 GMT
Post by Ⓐ✯taas on Oct 12, 2015 12:55:18 GMT
Opening the chest is for free. That's what I supposed, so either they both made a mistake in writing, or it scales up during the five steps to the chest. Yes, it scales up. 10,15,20,25,30 gems and after that the free chest.
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Post by bemyservant on Oct 12, 2015 13:12:33 GMT
That's what I supposed, so either they both made a mistake in writing, or it scales up during the five steps to the chest. Yes, it scales up. 10,15,20,25,30 gems and after that the free chest. This! So its 10+13+20+25+30=100 gems to get to the first chest at the mine (in the middle). After that it becomes more and more costintense. Same for the third mine. 300 gems alltogehter to reach the first chest and then cost are exploding... So if we take into account, that all chests in the specific mines hold the the same chance of rewards its not worth it to go past that point if you are not a HEAVY spender imho May the cards be with you
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Oct 12, 2015 13:18:08 GMT
Post by igjarvi on Oct 12, 2015 13:18:08 GMT
Yes, it scales up. 10,15,20,25,30 gems and after that the free chest. This! So its 10+13+20+25+30=100 gems to get to the first chest at the mine (in the middle). After that it becomes more and more costintense. Same for the third mine. 300 gems alltogehter to reach the first chest and then cost are exploding... So if we take into account, that all chests in the specific mines hold the the same chance of rewards its not worth it to go past that point if you are not a HEAVY spender imho May the cards be with you Alright, thank you both for clarifying this. I hope players who spend gems on mines will keep posting their rewards, since this is the basis of evaluating if it's a good use of gems.
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Oct 12, 2015 13:22:03 GMT
Post by Ⓐ✯taas on Oct 12, 2015 13:22:03 GMT
This! So its 10+13+20+25+30=100 gems to get to the first chest at the mine (in the middle). After that it becomes more and more costintense. Same for the third mine. 300 gems alltogehter to reach the first chest and then cost are exploding... So if we take into account, that all chests in the specific mines hold the the same chance of rewards its not worth it to go past that point if you are not a HEAVY spender imho May the cards be with you Alright, thank you both for clarifying this. I hope players who spend gems on mines will keep posting their rewards, since this is the basis of evaluating if it's a good use of gems. If you are a star player than the 100 gems for star membership covers the cost of the first chest. It contains 5* hero and 5* creature shards (and maybe 5* creatures?).
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Post by Ominous on Oct 12, 2015 13:25:00 GMT
I think for Star members its not a bad idea to save 3 days of free 100 gems then do last mines to first chest. Better than lucky spin, etc.
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Post by devindestroyer on Oct 12, 2015 13:33:01 GMT
I like the small difference between cost of 5* hero and 5* Critter in the mall. for 75,000 ore I can get a 5 star hero or for 25k I can get a 5 star card...Really want Oceanus...all them others can wait!
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Post by igjarvi on Oct 12, 2015 13:45:01 GMT
Alright, thank you both for clarifying this. I hope players who spend gems on mines will keep posting their rewards, since this is the basis of evaluating if it's a good use of gems. If you are a star player than the 100 gems for star membership covers the cost of the first chest. It contains 5* hero and 5* creature shards (and maybe 5* creatures?). That's what I'm considering, but it really depends on how many shards you get on average, and from how large a pool. Do you get one guaranteed hero shard or creature shard, one of each, or is it all random? Just for comparison, I've so far usually gotten one or two 4* hero shards from the first mine, but once four and another six, so I'd really like some more data on all this from both the second and third mine.
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Oct 12, 2015 13:53:24 GMT
Post by bemyservant on Oct 12, 2015 13:53:24 GMT
If you are a star player than the 100 gems for star membership covers the cost of the first chest. It contains 5* hero and 5* creature shards (and maybe 5* creatures?). That's what I'm considering, but it really depends on how many shards you get on average, and from how large a pool. Do you get one guaranteed hero shard or creature shard, one of each, or is it all random? Just for comparison, I've so far usually gotten one or two 4* hero shards from the first mine, but once four and another six, so I'd really like some more data on all this from both the second and third mine. Didn't count it, but I think the Ocreanus wasnt the only 5*hero -shard I got. Probably 1 Thor, 1 other and also 2 4*star. The chests are pretty nice at my lvl 3000 starmember-gems + 800 from logins means 8,5 runes on both mines a month... We really need more Data about the outcome of the runs to tell how long it will probably take to get a let's say mithril or Oceanus with this strategy! Keep posting guys
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Post by freki on Oct 12, 2015 14:25:55 GMT
Hmm.. Got a Hyppolyta shard from last mine along with other stuff.
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Post by orgoth on Oct 12, 2015 14:50:25 GMT
just realised if you go to the mine mall you can scroll down and see more heroes you can exchange for ore (Including coeanus, alchemist)
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Post by mineeng77 on Oct 12, 2015 14:53:33 GMT
I wonder if the ore mall will be included when they have the 20% discount once a month or so. I hope so as I am saving up my ore!
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Post by bemyservant on Oct 12, 2015 16:03:39 GMT
I wonder if the ore mall will be included when they have the 20% discount once a month or so. I hope so as I am saving up my ore! Very good point!
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Oct 12, 2015 16:11:28 GMT
Post by Karadoras on Oct 12, 2015 16:11:28 GMT
Yes you can pull a 4 star from the energy mine, no 5 stars as far as I can tell... ^^
You can pull full creature 5* only from the last mine I believe..
And yeah, overall going just first chest is probably the best option in both gem mines, cause the prices in gems just get to high for no better rewards then the first chest from what I seen.. I tried them a few times myself.. only got shards from everything myself... so yeah...
Edited:
Late reply is late, didnt see all the other replies, so sorry for dupe info that is by now already known xD
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 17:24:04 GMT
It takes 5,000 gems to complete the 3rd mine, I received a Blood Elf from 1st chest and then random shards ash beast/fanfir/kirtana/mystic/blademaster/oceanus. The rewards are pretty proportional per mine.
Energy mine offers 3☆ shards and 4☆ cards if lucky.
Low Gem Mine offers 4☆ shards with 4☆ cards and a chance at 5☆
High Gem mine offers 5☆ shards 5☆ cards but rare. As with anything IGG wants your money. They aren't gonna reward you well for using energy to complete the mine.
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Oct 12, 2015 17:56:32 GMT
Post by letos11 on Oct 12, 2015 17:56:32 GMT
But the big question here is: what is better, to do 3 times the cheap gem mine till first chest or do only 1 time every 3 days at the expensive gem mine until first chest
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Post by ihelios on Oct 12, 2015 18:01:09 GMT
But the big question here is: what is better, to do 3 times the cheap gem mine till first chest or do only 1 time every 3 days at the expensive gem mine until first chest If you want Hero shards, take the low gem mine and if you want creature(s) (shards) do the expensive one
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Post by letos11 on Oct 12, 2015 18:02:41 GMT
My goal is to get some heroe shards like berserker but want what is best for overall mine points to speed up, so if u ditch every 3* shard on cheap mine, what gives more shards at the end of the day, 3x the cheap one or 1x the expensive one
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Oct 12, 2015 19:46:58 GMT
Post by zerole on Oct 12, 2015 19:46:58 GMT
For the Energy mine, is it worth going very far? As a F2P player, I've only got a limited amount of Energy and I'm currently spending at least half of it Exploring for cards.
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Post by igjarvi on Oct 12, 2015 21:23:16 GMT
For the Energy mine, is it worth going very far? As a F2P player, I've only got a limited amount of Energy and I'm currently spending at least half of it Exploring for cards. I've been considering this, and I'd say it simply depends on where you are in the game. As long as melding 4* cards will bring a big change to your decks, then I think the first 10 steps give a good value and the rest of the energy should be spent on exploration in order to build a good guild deck and get 2-3 copies of the good unseal creatures (thalassa, spider queen, venom tyrant). If you've done the unsealing and have a handful of melds, are able to get close to 100k in guild maps as well as hold a mid-tier position in the tournament, then do 15 steps. I'd do the last five if I were either a star player, or if I've come to the point where exploring and melding 4* isn't a big deal anymore.
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Post by wathon on Oct 13, 2015 1:25:43 GMT
just realised if you go to the mine mall you can scroll down and see nore heroes you can exchange for ore (Including coeanus, alchemist) Wow, I didn't know either, IGG should put some kind of indicator. Oceanus shards, didn't expect that. In just a few months, a lot of people gonna have Oceanus, probably the best one out of those 5* heroes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 1:39:16 GMT
But the big question here is: what is better, to do 3 times the cheap gem mine till first chest or do only 1 time every 3 days at the expensive gem mine until first chest Honestly if you can spare 100 gems a day I'd just do the 2nd mine until 1st chest.
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Post by Ⓐ✯taas on Oct 13, 2015 7:36:28 GMT
Today I only got 1 Blademaster from the first chest in the second mine. So it's a lottery.
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Post by werefour on Oct 13, 2015 8:29:18 GMT
It seems better than first impressions may indicate-
The energy mine gives you roughly 400ore a day for 200 energy if you convert all the creature(cs) and hero shards(hs) you get while exploring.
15orex20=300ore + (assuming only one 4*hs a chest) 4x15or=60ore + roughly 18 3*cs at 2ore apiece= 36ore for a total average of 396ore a day. Average 30 days= 30x396ore= 11,880ore a month That is 23 5*cs or 15 5*hs from the mall a month conservatively with 380ore/630ore left over.
So 2 months to get a powerful 5*creature and just under 7months for a 5*hero.
If you a Star member and do a first chest top premium mine run every three days it is an extra 216ore/day minimum for 117g.
5x120ore=600ore at 350g divided by 3 days= 216ore per day at 117g x30days= 6,480ore a month = 12 5*cs 480ore left or 8 5*hero shards and 480 ore left per 30 days
Together = 35 5*cs or 23 5*hs a month. Meaning just roughly 1month 13days for a 5*creature or roughly 4months 10days for a 5*hero.
Not factoring the free gems from monthly login-1,225 per month, daily earn bonus 10x30= 300pm on average, daily tournament mall (minimum) 300pm, and factors such as maintenance, double login bonuses and alchemy. All together a minimum of 1,825 free gems a month.
That is 18 extra regular gem mine runs or 5( 4 for star players as -500gems per month for the extra 50gem cost over 300) extra premium gem mine runs / an extra 3,000(2,400)ore or 6 5*cs(4 5*cs 400 ore) or 4 5*hs( 3 5*hs 150 ore left) per 30 days.
Plus 5 chances for free players / 14 for star players at a full 5*creature and random 5*hero shards from the premium gem mines chest a month.
All in all that is a good deal in my opinion.
Editing for error correction above and new info below.
So it seems that taking the middle to the first chest has the best ore/ price ratio
(5x60ore per deposit= 300ore minimum for 100 (10+15+20+25+30)gems) + Ore deposits can give 4*creature shards= 10ore Chests can give 5*creature shards= 50ore And/or 5*Hero shards = 150ore
Assuming 4 creature shards from deposits and 1 hero shard from the chest. 300+4x10+150= an average of 490ore per day for 100gems or roughly 4.9ore per gem
While the third mine is less efficient (5x120ore per deposit= 600ore minimum for 350 (50+60+70+80+90)gems) + Ore deposits can give 5*creature shards= 50ore Chests can give 5*Hero shards= 150ore or rarely 5*creatures worth 5k-6k ore?
Assuming as above. 600+4x50+150= an average of 950ore per 3days for 350gems or roughly 2.7 ore per gem
A big difference yet the last mine does have a chance of giving you a full five star creature, so it really depends on what you're looking for.
Running the per month math for each mine- p.m.- per month (actually 30 day period)
Regular gem mine- 30days x 300ore=9,000ore p.m. minimum ( 18 5*cs or 12 5*hs) or (30x490=)14,700 ore p.m. average (29 5*cs or 19 5*he)
With the energy mine= 11,880+14,700= 26,580ore p.m. average ( 1 full 5*creature and 3 5*cs 80ore left over or 35 5*hs 330 ore left over per 30days) meaning 2months 18days for a 5*hero for a star member.
The 18 bonus runs from the 1,825(minimum) free gems per month= 18x300=5,400ore per month or an extra 10 5*cs 400ore or 7hs 150 ore
em- energy mine rgm- regular gem mine pgm- premium gem mine
Free players em+ rgm bonus runs total= 11,880+5,400=17,280ore (34 5*cs 280 ore or 18hs 30ore per 30days)
Star players em+rgm+bonus total= 11,880+14,700+5,400=31,980ore (1 5*creature 13 5*cs 480ore or 42 5*hs 480 ore) 2months 12days for a 5*hero
Premium gym mine totals-
Free player em+5pgm bonus= 11,880+5x950=16,630ore ( 33 5*cs or 22hs) + 130 ore and 5 chances at a full 5*creature (5k or 6k ore?) Per 30 day period 4months 16 days for a 5*hero
Star player em+pgm+4 bonus total= 11,880+9,500+3,800=25,180 ore (1 5*creature 180 ore or 33 5*hs 430ore) and 14 chances at a full 5*creature per 30days 3months for a 5*hero
And I'm done.
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Post by igjarvi on Oct 13, 2015 9:48:29 GMT
I agree with the post above and have done similar calculations. I can add the following example:
If we disregard the time it would take to gather the ore and only look at the cost, you could buy just the first step of the second mine each day for an average of about 68 ore each time (60 as base, then the 4* shards give 10 ore each, and if they drop as often as the energy mine it's roughly 0,8 shards per step).
The total cost of a 5* card from only doing this would be 3676 gems, and a 5* hero from scratch would cost 11029 gems. Paying 11k gems for an oceanus is a great value, and 3,7k gems for a chosen good 5* is also good value, especially as you can farm a single one for melding.
Every additional purchase would bring up the cost but bring down the time it takes to get it, though I can't currently make a comparative analysis of instead getting to the first chest for it's rewards as there's not enough data on what drops and how much (and the value would be relative to how many 5* heroes and 5* cards you're already collecting shards for).
Another thought for discussion: If you were to only do the first step of the third mine for 50 gems, and assume that you similarly get 0,8 5* shards each time, then the cost to gather 50 shards is 3125 gems. The shards would be distributed over many cards (the reward pool is unknown, so please continue posting your findings), but do that long enough and you will get them in time. If you would take into consideration that some 5* might not be desirable, and that it could be argued that cards which are not available through guild maps or events will take too much time to collect 50 shards for this way, then the relative value of this sinks a lot. Keep in mind though that this calculation is only for the shard drops alone, not the ore which of course brings up the value again.
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