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Post by ScreaminBon on Oct 12, 2015 15:43:27 GMT
Obviously I'm deciding which to farm at the Ore Mall. No interest in the other 2. Oceanus is incredibly OP, and top arena players all have him, so he's clearly the wise option. But I'm leaning Alchemist because I am not wise. Actually, there are a few reasons. First of all, I'm about to get Judgement from Tourney shards in a few days, and being that my main deck is Faen, he should be able to keep me competitive for a while in all areas of the game. Getting another Faen 5* hero that will immediately replace him kind of makes any GP I put into Judge kind of useless. Alchemist on the other hand has a pretty sweet skill that can go up against any kind of deck, and since my best Human hero is a lvl 7 Drag Rider, who sucks in the current meta, Alchemist would give me a really strong 5* Hero Human deck (I'm not about to start farming Warlock... that train left the station a while ago lol). So, am I dumb for thinking of going Alchemist over the best 5* hero bar none?
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Post by lamedroid on Oct 12, 2015 20:04:41 GMT
I like Alchemist as well, just want to know about lvl 10 stats. Could be op as f***
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Post by Izanami✪NFS on Oct 12, 2015 21:01:15 GMT
Yeah for me the big the deciding factor is how much her skill increases by for each level, 200 doesn't have me sold, but if it goes up by 100 for every level then I would defintely consider her, don't think I would want her over oceanus for a lower Stat than that
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Post by storyteller on Oct 12, 2015 23:54:36 GMT
Well, I voted alchemist, but with two caveats.
As Izanami noted, how well the skill scales is really important. Tack on a high level sorcery rune, and you have sort of a reverse spiky bits that lets you nuke your opponent either way. You'd have a powerful counter to the current immunity/stoneskin meta.
Second caveat is that I'm going after Oceanus myself, simply because I already have a good start on shards. If I were starting from scratch with both, I'd be taking a hard look at alchemist.
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Post by ScreaminBon on Oct 13, 2015 1:02:33 GMT
Great points. Thanks for the input. I do like bucking the trend, which is why I refused to go Wight as a main hero back when everyone and their grandmother was. Top 10 in my Arena now is at least 7 Oceanus decks, so I'd rather take the road less traveled and try to work a very competitive Alchemist deck. Having said that, it really is hard to refuse Oceanus, since he's completely boss even at lvl 1 while Alchemist may take several levels to really shine. And also Oceanus is just an amazing counter to the ungodly beasts you come across in high map and tourney levels.
So yeah, still kind of torn. The good thing is I haven't cashed in a single ore yet and don't plan to for quite some time. This will allow me to see where the meta heads in the next few months.
And of course, if that Faen hero with that creature assasinate skill comes out soon and is farmable somewhere, all bets are off and I'm focusing all resources there lol.
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Post by orgoth on Oct 13, 2015 1:28:44 GMT
well i myself would personally go for oceanuse but alchemist might just be better long term since the upgrades could be op atm (since every tcg kikes to make newer cards OP) if her skill doesnt rank up much in damage then maybe it might even rabk up in turns imagine 5 turns of 5 flame braves forcing the proc of immunity for direct damage.
also if you have oceanus you.might be another problem to fight with in tournament since i am farming him too XD
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Oct 13, 2015 8:47:31 GMT
Its interesting. It could even prove a counter to Judgment considering the damage doesnt up hero rage. If the damage scales well, it could be lethal- there are very few creatures in the meta that dont have at least 1 skill that would proc there.
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Post by ittadakimaas on Oct 14, 2015 22:52:14 GMT
What is your opinion on Mythril Drone vs Oceanus (/ other 5* hero)? For many players, ore is hard to get... While in the long term Oceanus is a must farm, for those without Mythril Drones, is it worth farming one of him first to improve farming rates elsewhere (magic guild maps, tournament etc)?
Sorry for the slight sidetrack - I thought asking here was better than making a new thread for this, though...
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Post by Somar [BK] on Oct 14, 2015 23:14:42 GMT
What is your opinion on Mythril Drone vs Oceanus (/ other 5* hero)? For many players, ore is hard to get... While in the long term Oceanus is a must farm, for those without Mythril Drones, is it worth farming one of him first to improve farming rates elsewhere (magic guild maps, tournament etc)? Sorry for the slight sidetrack - I thought asking here was better than making a new thread for this, though... this actually something to think about Drones can be a game changer for a few players because of the ability to block all magic dmg. Overall I would say going for oceanus will give u the best improvement on your decks. Really great hero. At lv1 I don't think any other hero comes even close. But geting a drone 1st is actually something to consider and a valid option too. I can deffinetly forsee melded Drones shift the current meta a bit and make magic dmg less viable. It should be no trouble to get a few copies of him for the p2p crowd.
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Post by ittadakimaas on Oct 15, 2015 2:57:36 GMT
What is your opinion on Mythril Drone vs Oceanus (/ other 5* hero)? For many players, ore is hard to get... While in the long term Oceanus is a must farm, for those without Mythril Drones, is it worth farming one of him first to improve farming rates elsewhere (magic guild maps, tournament etc)? Sorry for the slight sidetrack - I thought asking here was better than making a new thread for this, though... this actually something to think about Drones can be a game changer for a few players because of the ability to block all magic dmg. Overall I would say going for oceanus will give u the best improvement on your decks. Really great hero. At lv1 I don't think any other hero comes even close. But geting a drone 1st is actually something to consider and a valid option too. I can deffinetly forsee melded Drones shift the current meta a bit and make magic dmg less viable. It should be no trouble to get a few copies of him for the p2p crowd. Hmm... I was initially planning on doing Mythril first to help me out against the magic damage heavy guild maps, but now that I've decided to only target ~100k dmg and not go for the big numbers, I think I might do Oceanus first. I'll try and build a non-Wight guild map deck to help dish out the desired moderate damage.
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Post by sylava1 on Oct 15, 2015 6:14:32 GMT
I got the same problem. 35 drone shards and 53 iceanus. Almost 7500 ore. Should i complete my drone or get oceanus from 53 to 63?
Thing is i'm also on 80 judgement shards.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 15, 2015 7:31:26 GMT
I can see alchemist becoming deadly with retreat queen, flame braves, and naga mistress. Deadly especially because all that direct damage wont increase enemy hero rage. She would be deadly even with a damage increase of 50 per lvl. 400 direct damage at lvl 5. 400 x no. of procs. Use 2 flame braves and proc immunity twice. So total damage on affected creature = 400 + (400x2) = 1200 direct damage and enemy hero would still be sleeping. Fatal against revive trees and Fafnir and every other critical immunity creatures. And that comes from just two magic casters.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 15, 2015 7:43:26 GMT
Even a retreat, instakill and other skills activating stoneskin or immunity would do damage. Top level tournament have almost all stoneskin/immunity, so much damage would be dealt and Hero rage won't increase from added damage.
Imagine eye of jonara 1. Soul swap direct damage. (Immunity triggered) 2. Picking off default direct damage. 3. Discord direct damage. (Immunity triggered) Damage at lvl 5 (assuming 400 dmg) = 400 default direct dmg + 400 from soul swap + 270 picking off + 400 from discord direct dmg = 1470 direct dmg considering all hitting the same immunity creature.
Lol all form of delay 3 creatures proccing direct damage on immunity creatures. Seals too.
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Post by Izanami✪NFS on Oct 15, 2015 7:45:40 GMT
I can see alchemist becoming deadly with retreat queen, flame braves, and naga mistress. Deadly especially because all that direct damage wont increase enemy hero rage. She would be deadly even with a damage increase of 50 per lvl. 400 direct damage at lvl 5. 400 x no. of procs. Use 2 flame braves and proc immunity twice. So total damage on affected creature = 400 + (400x2) = 1200 direct damage and enemy hero would still be sleeping. Fatal against revive trees and Fafnir and every other critical immunity creatures. And that comes from just two magic casters. Yeah I think the fact that she doesn't generate rage is probably the strongest aspect of her regardless of how low the damage is initially.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 15, 2015 7:48:28 GMT
At alchemist lvl 1 eye of jonara has a potential to do = 200 + 200 + ( 210 picking off DMG I am not sure how much this is but anyways just for example) + 200 = 810 max direct damage on one creature.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 15, 2015 7:50:45 GMT
I can see alchemist becoming deadly with retreat queen, flame braves, and naga mistress. Deadly especially because all that direct damage wont increase enemy hero rage. She would be deadly even with a damage increase of 50 per lvl. 400 direct damage at lvl 5. 400 x no. of procs. Use 2 flame braves and proc immunity twice. So total damage on affected creature = 400 + (400x2) = 1200 direct damage and enemy hero would still be sleeping. Fatal against revive trees and Fafnir and every other critical immunity creatures. And that comes from just two magic casters. Yeah I think the fact that she doesn't generate rage is probably the strongest aspect of her regardless of how low the damage is initially. Yup that is why it's better not to rush for Oceanus and just keep collecting ore for now. Would definitely be helpful to hear opinion from someone has one or has faced one.
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Post by rafutela✪NFS on Oct 15, 2015 8:28:58 GMT
Smarter move is definitely keeping Ore until you see an Alchemist in action.
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Post by orgoth on Oct 16, 2015 0:00:09 GMT
drone would be a counter though
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Post by ScreaminBon on Oct 16, 2015 3:36:47 GMT
Definitely going to wait it out. I think either would be a good choice for its own reasons. No rush... those are a lot of shards to be collected lol!
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Oct 16, 2015 4:22:58 GMT
Yeah the more I think about it, the more potential Alchemist has to be really messed up. I mean, Flame Brave is a good example- it's either going to melt you with the actual magic damage, or melt you if you have immunity. Mythril Drone becomes 10x more valuable if Alchemist makes a real push.
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Post by raywinx on Oct 17, 2015 4:07:26 GMT
Will alchemist melt armor trigger on warlock's ability? Since he grants immunity to creatures
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Post by ScreaminBon on Oct 17, 2015 4:39:44 GMT
Will alchemist melt armor trigger on warlock's ability? Since he grants immunity to creatures I believe when Warlock's skill procs, it will remove the "melt armor" effect, but the 200 initial damage will not be prevented. It really depends on timing. If Warlock used his skill the previous round, Alchemist is home free. If Alchemist throws her skill, and Warlock throws his the next round, she's totally screwed lol.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 17, 2015 8:57:13 GMT
Will alchemist melt armor trigger on warlock's ability? Since he grants immunity to creatures I believe when Warlock's skill procs, it will remove the "melt armor" effect, but the 200 initial damage will not be prevented. It really depends on timing. If Warlock used his skill the previous round, Alchemist is home free. If Alchemist throws her skill, and Warlock throws his the next round, she's totally screwed lol. Might get confusing so let's discuss in parts. Case 1. Warlock has prayed and alchemist casts melt armor. Initial damage of 200 hit points done and melt armor stays, enabling alchemist deck to cause maximum direct damage. Case 2. Alchemist casts melt armor and her deck does Max damage, after which warlock prays and restores HP. So essentially Alchemist's melt armor cannot be dodged because immediately after melt armor is cast by hero, her deck attacks and proccs all kinds of defense on the other side. Melt armor only stays for one round as it says in description, so there is no dodging her skill. All warlock and judgement can do is restore HP. As I see it Judgement would fare better than warlock against an alchemist.
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Post by megapuncher on Oct 17, 2015 14:56:50 GMT
Might get confusing so let's discuss in parts. Case 1. Warlock has prayed and alchemist casts melt armor. Initial damage of 200 hit points done and melt armor stays, enabling alchemist deck to cause maximum direct damage. Case 2. Alchemist casts melt armor and her deck does Max damage, after which warlock prays and restores HP. So essentially Alchemist's melt armor cannot be dodged because immediately after melt armor is cast by hero, her deck attacks and proccs all kinds of defense on the other side. Melt armor only stays for one round as it says in description, so there is no dodging her skill. All warlock and judgement can do is restore HP. As I see it Judgement would fare better than warlock against an alchemist.
The biggest question is in Case 1. "Warlock has prayed and alchemist casts melt armor." Will melt armor "stick" like Wight's curse/flaming(?)/poison after Warlock's release or will it be shrugged off like Captivator's release/seals/stun/freeze/etc??? The point of melt armor is not in initial direct damage but in "applied status".
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 17, 2015 17:28:38 GMT
The biggest question is in Case 1. "Warlock has prayed and alchemist casts melt armor." Will melt armor "stick" like Wight's curse/flaming(?)/poison after Warlock's release or will it be shrugged off like Captivator's release/seals/stun/freeze/etc??? The point of melt armor is not in initial direct damage but in "applied status".
I think anything with immediate effect is shrugged off after Warlock's prayer like entangle and crazed sorrow but since death curse doesn't have an immediate effect it sticks after prayer. Since we haven't seen melt armor in action I guess we cannot judge how that skill works, not at this moment anyhow.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Oct 18, 2015 1:49:21 GMT
The biggest question is in Case 1. "Warlock has prayed and alchemist casts melt armor." Will melt armor "stick" like Wight's curse/flaming(?)/poison after Warlock's release or will it be shrugged off like Captivator's release/seals/stun/freeze/etc??? The point of melt armor is not in initial direct damage but in "applied status".
I think anything with immediate effect is shrugged off after Warlock's prayer like entangle and crazed sorrow but since death curse doesn't have an immediate effect it sticks after prayer. Since we haven't seen melt armor in action I guess we cannot judge how that skill works, not at this moment anyhow. This is a common misconception, but I don't understand why to be honest- his skill is fairly clearly detailed. To break it down, Warlock's ability has two main effects. His first is like a 'super cleanse' which procs instantly- it functions like cleanse, but it also affects hero abilities and goes on everyone. So EVERY single possible status effect will be removed- including hero abilities like death curse, entangle etc. His second effect is like a 'super unbound', which takes effect after you finish the round. Like unbound, it grants complete immunity to holding effects like paralysis, freezing, delay- but unlike unbound, it also provides immunity to entangle, crazed sorrow, Thor's paralysis. It does not, however, protect against magical damage- so all damage from hero abilities will go through, all fire/ice/lightning etc damage will go through. What this means for Alchemist is, as someone already stated, Warlock is pretty much useless against Alchemist. When melt armor procs, the effect is instant- in that the Alchemist team will do damage, take advantage of melt armor, and then the skill is done. Warlock would then proc his healing ability- which would remove absolutely nothing (as far as melt armor is concerned). If Warlock procs prior to Alchemist- his unbound effect does not stop melt armor from occurring. Judgment is a hard counter to Alchemist, however.
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Post by orgoth on Oct 18, 2015 7:28:34 GMT
I think anything with immediate effect is shrugged off after Warlock's prayer like entangle and crazed sorrow but since death curse doesn't have an immediate effect it sticks after prayer. Since we haven't seen melt armor in action I guess we cannot judge how that skill works, not at this moment anyhow. This is a common misconception, but I don't understand why to be honest- his skill is fairly clearly detailed. To break it down, Warlock's ability has two main effects. His first is like a 'super cleanse' which procs instantly- it functions like cleanse, but it also affects hero abilities and goes on everyone. So EVERY single possible status effect will be removed- including hero abilities like death curse, entangle etc. His second effect is like a 'super unbound', which takes effect after you finish the round. Like unbound, it grants complete immunity to holding effects like paralysis, freezing, delay- but unlike unbound, it also provides immunity to entangle, crazed sorrow, Thor's paralysis. It does not, however, protect against magical damage- so all damage from hero abilities will go through, all fire/ice/lightning etc damage will go through. What this means for Alchemist is, as someone already stated, Warlock is pretty much useless against Alchemist. When melt armor procs, the effect is instant- in that the Alchemist team will do damage, take advantage of melt armor, and then the skill is done. Warlock would then proc his healing ability- which would remove absolutely nothing (as far as melt armor is concerned). If Warlock procs prior to Alchemist- his unbound effect does not stop melt armor from occurring. Judgment is a hard counter to Alchemist, however. take note alchemist came after warlock so IGG mightbhave forgotten to program that.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Oct 18, 2015 7:33:49 GMT
This is a common misconception, but I don't understand why to be honest- his skill is fairly clearly detailed. To break it down, Warlock's ability has two main effects. His first is like a 'super cleanse' which procs instantly- it functions like cleanse, but it also affects hero abilities and goes on everyone. So EVERY single possible status effect will be removed- including hero abilities like death curse, entangle etc. His second effect is like a 'super unbound', which takes effect after you finish the round. Like unbound, it grants complete immunity to holding effects like paralysis, freezing, delay- but unlike unbound, it also provides immunity to entangle, crazed sorrow, Thor's paralysis. It does not, however, protect against magical damage- so all damage from hero abilities will go through, all fire/ice/lightning etc damage will go through. What this means for Alchemist is, as someone already stated, Warlock is pretty much useless against Alchemist. When melt armor procs, the effect is instant- in that the Alchemist team will do damage, take advantage of melt armor, and then the skill is done. Warlock would then proc his healing ability- which would remove absolutely nothing (as far as melt armor is concerned). If Warlock procs prior to Alchemist- his unbound effect does not stop melt armor from occurring. Judgment is a hard counter to Alchemist, however. take note alchemist came after warlock so IGG mightbhave forgotten to program that. Almost definitely not, the skill simply doesn't work that way. I mean, never discount IGG's ability to screw up programming, but that's not an oversight that is likely at all. They would have to actively try and mess things up for it to happen any differently.
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Post by igjarvi on Oct 29, 2015 22:56:55 GMT
In case someone still wonders about it, alchemist scale up 40 damage with each level.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 30, 2015 4:35:06 GMT
In case someone still wonders about it, alchemist scale up 40 damage with each level. Are you sure?
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