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Post by werefour on Oct 17, 2015 16:29:03 GMT
Reposting this info from the mines thread. (major edit for clarity 10/29/15)
The mines are better than first impressions may indicate-
Ex. Mine type: cost type-growth rate per deposit-total per run(pr) ore per deposit total-pr Obtainable rewards from deposits and chest ore exchange rate Average ore from exchange all shards total-pr
Combined total-pr 30 Day Combined Total-
Running the math for each mine:
Energy mine(em) to last chest: energy-5 at each 4,8,12,16=200pr 15 ore per deposit x20= 300ore pr Can obtain: From deposit- 3*creature shards(cs)-2ore From Chest- 4*Hero shards(hs)-15ore Exchange average (assumes 18 3*cs from deposits and only 1 4*hs from each chest for a total of 4)= 96ore pr
Em combined total= 394ore pr 30 Day= 11,820ore
Regular gem mine(rgm) to first chest- gems-10+15+20+25+30=100gems pr 60 ore per deposit x5= 300ore pr Can obtain: From deposit- 4*cs-10ore From Chest- 5*hs-150ore & sometimes 5*cs-50ore Exchange average ( assumes 4 4*cs and 1 5*hs)= 190ore
Rgm combined total= 490ore pr °roughly 4.9ore per gem 30 Day= Free player- free Gem°°(1,825) roughly 18 rgm runs= 5,400ore to 8,820ore(with full shard exchange) Star-30day 1 run per day= 9,000ore to14,700ore(se)
Premium gem mine(pgm) to first chest- gems- 50+60+70+80+90= 350 pr 120ore per deposit x5=600ore pr Can obtain- From deposit- 5*cs-50ore From Chest- 5*ha-150ore & sometimes- 5*creature-5,000ore Exchange average= (assumes 3 5*vs & 1 5*hs)- 300ore
Pgm combined total= 900ore pr Roughly 2.5 ore per gem 30 Day total= Free player- 5pgm runs- 3,000ore to 4,500ore Star- 10pgm runs + 4 free gem runs- 8,400ore to 12,600ore
30 Day Totals for Free and Star Players
Free players em+ 18rgm bonus runs total= 11,820+ 5,400/ 8,820= 17,220ore (34 5*cs 220 ore or 22 5*hs 720ore) to 20,640ore (41 5*cs 140 ore or 27 5*hs 390ore)
Star players en+ rgm+ 5pgm bonus=
Premium gem mine totals:
Free player em+5pgm bonus=
Star player em+10pgm+4pgm bonus=
°So it seems that taking the middle to the first chest has the best ore/ price ratio
°°Free gems from monthly login-1,225 per month, daily earn bonus 10x30= 300pm on average, daily tournament mall (minimum) 300pm, and factors such as maintenance, double login bonuses, alchemy, sky arena and one time earns such as arena ranks and achievement completion. All together a minimum of 1,825 free gems a month.
A big difference, yet the last mine does have a chance of giving you a full 5* creature from the chest, so it really depends on what you're looking for.
Both gem mines give 5* Hero shards in the Chests
All in all that is a good deal in my opinion.
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Post by werefour on Oct 17, 2015 16:36:56 GMT
All the above assumes you play every day and will use the vast majority of gems on the mines. .Results may vary based on free gems earned as well as any shards you keep and don't exchange for ore.
I hope this helps
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Post by Fyefaust on Oct 19, 2015 10:47:24 GMT
You forgot that if you use 100gems, you get 5 back from daily achievment! So it costs only 95 (In case you don't use gems for anything else, as f2p players usually don't.)
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Post by nemesis101 on Oct 19, 2015 12:25:11 GMT
The only reason that Mines are worth the cost is the cards you can get from it.
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Post by werefour on Oct 19, 2015 12:56:35 GMT
You forgot that if you use 100gems, you get 5 back from daily achievment! So it costs only 95 (In case you don't use gems for anything else, as f2p players usually don't.) True. I have one big mistake to fix for my Star calculations.
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Post by ninjafred on Oct 19, 2015 16:57:00 GMT
Well done with your math. Congrats !
I think you forgot also Sky Arena, where any regular FTP player can get 400-500 gems usually. It means 5 more runs on middle mine, on a monthly basis (assuming that Sky Arena will come monthly, which appears to be its frequency).
Not a big deal but it will certainly help some of us to keep being motivated if we know that a 5* hero is in reach in a few weeks.
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Post by orgoth on Oct 21, 2015 3:52:00 GMT
as for sky arena take note that not all f2p players are that devoted to D.H. (i can only login every 6 hours on most days)
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Post by letos11 on Oct 21, 2015 12:28:22 GMT
I want to add something here, for calculations imagine you are a Star player like me, and your aim is Oceanus *best call atm* or Thor/Blademaster, expensive mine, gives pretty much everytime some shard(s) of these heroes, and if im correct the cheaper mine doesnt, so if you put ur self like me, if i every 3 days get the ore but i dont need to spend 750 on a shard to buy , you do the hard math xD i believe is "more worth" to do the expensive once every 3 days?
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 21, 2015 12:54:31 GMT
I want to add something here, for calculations imagine you are a Star player like me, and your aim is Oceanus *best call atm* or Thor/Blademaster, expensive mine, gives pretty much everytime some shard(s) of these heroes, and if im correct the cheaper mine doesnt, so if you put ur self like me, if i every 3 days get the ore but i dont need to spend 750 on a shard to buy , you do the hard math xD i believe is "more worth" to do the expensive once every 3 days? I am getting Oceanus shard almost every day with the middle mine. Sometimes two. I have collected a total of 7 shards from chest itself. Only done mine 3 chest two times and I didn't like what I was getting for 350 gems. Plus I don't want a mystic (and I have none). So I believe middle mine is still the better option unless you are looking for kitsune, mystic, hippo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 16:57:30 GMT
I no longer waste my time with mines, energy is too precious and I'd rather waste it on something with a more immediate return
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Oct 28, 2015 18:58:40 GMT
I no longer waste my time with mines, energy is too precious and I'd rather waste it on something with a more immediate return You can go till the first or second chest. Micheal and templar drops keep showing in header.
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Post by ahriman on Oct 28, 2015 19:29:01 GMT
I no longer waste my time with mines, energy is too precious and I'd rather waste it on something with a more immediate return I quite disagree. From 0 shards of Mythril drone, I now have 30. Mines have not been around that long, so I think thats a pretty good rate. I should own a mythril drone by next week (I use energy mine to the end and cheaper gem mine to first chest. I have used exoensive gem mine to first chest twice). It would be reasonable to say I could get Frost Armor 5 On a mythril drone meld within a couple of months. That sounds like a long time I know, but its not like I only do mines every day. I use about 400+ energy a day to work for different cards for different melds. I will admit I am a star member every month, so if you are totally F2P, then its not a fair comparison. Also, I do understand that you have specific plans with your energy that may grant you a great card for your deck, and thats fine too. This is just my experience.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 23:06:55 GMT
I no longer waste my time with mines, energy is too precious and I'd rather waste it on something with a more immediate return I quite disagree. From 0 shards of Mythril drone, I now have 30. Mines have not been around that long, so I think thats a pretty good rate. I should own a mythril drone by next week (I use energy mine to the end and cheaper gem mine to first chest. I have used exoensive gem mine to first chest twice). It would be reasonable to say I could get Frost Armor 5 On a mythril drone meld within a couple of months. That sounds like a long time I know, but its not like I only do mines every day. I use about 400+ energy a day to work for different cards for different melds. I will admit I am a star member every month, so if you are totally F2P, then its not a fair comparison. Also, I do understand that you have specific plans with your energy that may grant you a great card for your deck, and thats fine too. This is just my experience. I don't have gems for mines, just what I get from logins. And those are for hiest. As for energy, chambers, chambers and shard farming. They can keep their 400-500 ore I'll use my energy for where I need it. As for mythril drone enjoy that. I don't want one, if I ever go back to mine it'll be to finish my oceanus I'm at 50 now
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Post by werefour on Nov 9, 2015 11:27:02 GMT
Waiting to se what's going on with the monthly gems before doing th final edit.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Nov 9, 2015 17:36:17 GMT
I quit Star membership because of gem nerf. Dullahan would have given me a guaranteed meld if I had bought star this month but meh, I lend a middle finger to IGG now. I can wait months for Oceanus no problem, my other two 5 star Heroes are enough for me as of now.
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Dec 16, 2015 11:07:20 GMT
CARE TO UPDATE THE NUMBERS? Well I guess it doesn't matter...
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Post by orgoth on Dec 17, 2015 1:18:15 GMT
CARE TO UPDATE THE NUMBERS? Well I guess it doesn't matter... energy mine is still worth it just not the third mine, probably...
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