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Post by ahriman on Nov 13, 2015 15:05:47 GMT
The problem is IGG set the expectation with the first 2 events. To put cards in this heist that I can farm whenever I want is a slap in the face. The first heist was TOO good, and the second heist, IMO, was a good and fair adjustment. This one is absolute crap. Not necessarily in a vacuum, but in the context of the expectations that were already set for Heist. If the shards in this heist were the shards used in the first heist (meaning if this WAS the first heist), I would not complain as much, because I would not have another heist to compare it to.. I assume IGG is still in testing phase and trying to find a balance between the quality of shards in the heist versus the number of gems players buy to maximize their heist winnings. Then they find the point of best balance of short term vs long term revenue. If I am right on this, then I doubt many people would spend gems in this particular heist, and we should see a boost in shard quality in the next heist. Of course I could be completely wrong
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Post by Somar [BK] on Nov 13, 2015 15:17:37 GMT
As a new player you won't be able to collect more than 50 OL / 20 Lucky sage shards, be realistic. There are 0 lucky shards laying around, its going to be another blood elf event where the shards are very limited. OL is the same as a Balrog basically. Either way you won't be able to finish OL. Although i agree that QT is a good target (I only have 1 explore slot unlocked atm, so this is a gold oppurtunity for me), but having an Overlord in there is deffinetly better than this. I wouldnt mind a few extra overlord shards, even if i canot finish i can always buy extra from tourney mall and finish my 1st 5* hero a bit faster. He's not the best 5* out there, but for me it would be a big improvement, the skill might not be great, but the talents 5* heroes get make a huge difference in gameplay when compared to the 4*ones even for players that have overlord already, it can be usefull to get a few levels and close the gap for other 5* a little lucky sage is not that great either, but between her and 4 already farmable options, i would still take her simply because that's pretty much the only fair chance i have of geting the card.
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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Nov 13, 2015 15:37:52 GMT
If your going to buy 50 OL shards from the tournament mall to finish your first 5* hero, you are doing a fundamental mistake. Take some extra time and get judgement or captivator instead, which is at least 10x better than Overlord.
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Post by ÐARҞNESS on Nov 13, 2015 15:52:44 GMT
I would have to agree with Naruto, getting OL was the biggest mistake I made with tournaments. Now don't get me wrong, he's not really all bad, but you have to be able to build your deck a certain way to make him viable.
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Post by Somar [BK] on Nov 13, 2015 16:05:48 GMT
well I'm not arguing about the OL value, it's just that if you don't have any 5* yet, anything helps, even if it's the worst possible option.
50 shards from heist + the 20ish i already have from the random gauntlet finish would make a pretty decent start, I'm buying Judgement and Captivator and I'm at 14 and 24. Wouldn't mind delaying one of them for 30 overlord shards
In any way, there's noy much point in discussing this, because the direction things are heading I'm already doubting we will ever see another 5* crit in heists, let alone a 5* hero
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 16:15:27 GMT
Like already said, blood elf heist was a mess because no one had those shards for stealing.
They put explorable creatures to make them easier to steal.
But yea comparing to the first paragon heist its lame.
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Post by Lastpak✪NFS on Nov 13, 2015 16:22:57 GMT
Because of IGG decreasing our monthly gem income, i have to partake in those silly Facebook "marketing stunts".
I spotted a comment about this heist event: "With Transmutation, you will be able to use those 4* to make 5* cards, and even if the transmutation fails, you will still get a 4*"
Neat.
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Post by DB⚡Karak on Nov 13, 2015 17:10:44 GMT
Because of IGG decreasing our monthly gem income, i have to partake in those silly Facebook "marketing stunts". I spotted a comment about this heist event: "With Transmutation, you will be able to use those 4* to make 5* cards, and even if the transmutation fails, you will still get a 4*"Neat. Yep saw that reply too... doubt we ll see ever see another 5* heist soon based on those words :/
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Post by spizz0 on Nov 13, 2015 17:48:23 GMT
not to mention the fact that the "heist" buttons are right behind the "search" one... just a little spike lag, you tap the screen twice thinking your phone did not get the input and here you go, you heist a random very low target
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Nov 13, 2015 18:09:28 GMT
not to mention the fact that the "heist" buttons are right behind the "search" one... just a little spike lag, you tap the screen twice thinking your phone did not get the input and here you go, you heist a random very low target Lol, happens to me from my crappy internet connection.
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Post by Mandragora on Nov 13, 2015 20:17:21 GMT
Maybe they got so much backlash for letting players lose their Oceanus shards on the Taiwan server that they thought they better not do the same heist here. Does suck hugely though, especially since I have won 10 heists against "high" probability opponents and only got three queen temptress. What I really needed was a retreat card to farm for Dont fool yourself. The reason is pretty simple. TW server is their hometown crowd thats why they get awesome stuff. Not only oceanus heist. And we have enough idiots on the global server that pay 1000 or even more $$$ to be number 1 in an event even if it is not worth. Just look at Sky Arena. Number 1 somethimes has a gap of a few million points. Not the first time I see stuff like that. I know whales from other games that payed 4000 $ every month for p2w creatures even if they were outdated by the time the new op creatures came into play. Which happend like I said at least once a month. I disagree with the reasoning. It have nothing to do with patriotism or something, its just that in this server the average player is willing to pay a lot more for their product than the tw players. Why give us Oceanus heist when they can sell it through mines and at the same time sell other cards via heist? I agree that this heist today is a joke and doesnt worth it, the 1st one was the only really worthy of gems for the average player. But Oceanus heist on this server always seemed too much to be honest.
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Post by deadsun on Nov 13, 2015 23:22:48 GMT
As a new player you won't be able to collect more than 50 OL / 20 Lucky sage shards, be realistic. There are 0 lucky shards laying around, its going to be another blood elf event where the shards are very limited. OL is the same as a Balrog basically. Either way you won't be able to finish OL. While I understand your point in theory, you are making one mistake. Newer players are more likely to actually have OL shards and access to OL shards than QT. Almost all the QT shards prior to the event were in the hands of the high lvls because they come from the very end of the exploration maps, something new players have no access to. On the other hand, OL shards can be gotten from Gauntlet as well as Tournament. While the second source would be difficult for a new player, it is at least possible. However there is no reasonable way for a newer player to wrest those QT shards from the 10k+ power decks that had them at the start of the heist. That leaves only the shards gotten during the heist event as reasonable source, and those came from chambers. And as we all know by now, getting them from the secondary sources is pretty rare (three heists now, and I still have yet to get a bonus shard from any of the secondary sources). And being a decently desired card with a 20 shard stolen cap, those few extras have quickly funneled to the top players, making it extremely difficult for a newer player to finish a card. In the end, from a new player perspective, there really is no difference, except with OL, you may not be able to finish during the event, but if there was a 5 shard stolen cap, you might have actually been able to make some progress towards getting it, and maybe even enticed players to spend gems if they got lucky and got a lot of them. Especially, as you have pointed out, OL is not a desired hero for high levels, meaning less of them would have been scooping them up in droves like they are the QT shards.
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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Nov 13, 2015 23:41:02 GMT
As a new player you won't be able to collect more than 50 OL / 20 Lucky sage shards, be realistic. There are 0 lucky shards laying around, its going to be another blood elf event where the shards are very limited. OL is the same as a Balrog basically. Either way you won't be able to finish OL. While I understand your point in theory, you are making one mistake. Newer players are more likely to actually have OL shards and access to OL shards than QT. Almost all the QT shards prior to the event were in the hands of the high lvls because they come from the very end of the exploration maps, something new players have no access to. On the other hand, OL shards can be gotten from Gauntlet as well as Tournament. While the second source would be difficult for a new player, it is at least possible. However there is no reasonable way for a newer player to wrest those QT shards from the 10k+ power decks that had them at the start of the heist. That leaves only the shards gotten during the heist event as reasonable source, and those came from chambers. And as we all know by now, getting them from the secondary sources is pretty rare (three heists now, and I still have yet to get a bonus shard from any of the secondary sources). And being a decently desired card with a 20 shard stolen cap, those few extras have quickly funneled to the top players, making it extremely difficult for a newer player to finish a card. In the end, from a new player perspective, there really is no difference, except with OL, you may not be able to finish during the event, but if there was a 5 shard stolen cap, you might have actually been able to make some progress towards getting it, and maybe even enticed players to spend gems if they got lucky and got a lot of them. Especially, as you have pointed out, OL is not a desired hero for high levels, meaning less of them would have been scooping them up in droves like they are the QT shards. Why get OL when Wight is better?
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Post by dreamingdragon on Nov 14, 2015 0:07:46 GMT
The TW server is simply a different server. When you get to level 40, you automatically get to rank 3000 ish in the tournament, this means there are only 3000 TOTAL accounts above level 40. Excluding the alt accounts and players that stopped playing, the active players are just limited. TW server gives away a lot of free things, I got a free sea wizard, a free dragon lord from shards dropped in explores, and I am going to get a free Kirtana from explores coming Sunday. Other than the Oceanus and Overlord heist, there is a recent 4 day event that drops Light's Hand shard from explores, and I am about to finish a Light's Hand for free with spending all energies exploring. And basically every guild gets top 50 in guild wars, that also helps a lot for new players to get 4 star heroes. Just accept the fact that TW server is different, and in fact TW server is run by Fantasy Plus, not IGG. (IGG still develops the game and runs an old Deck Heroes TW server 卡卡英雄.) So the people who decide what cards/rewards to give out in the TW server is not the same people in IGG servers.
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Post by deadsun on Nov 14, 2015 0:18:28 GMT
While I understand your point in theory, you are making one mistake. Newer players are more likely to actually have OL shards and access to OL shards than QT. Almost all the QT shards prior to the event were in the hands of the high lvls because they come from the very end of the exploration maps, something new players have no access to. On the other hand, OL shards can be gotten from Gauntlet as well as Tournament. While the second source would be difficult for a new player, it is at least possible. However there is no reasonable way for a newer player to wrest those QT shards from the 10k+ power decks that had them at the start of the heist. That leaves only the shards gotten during the heist event as reasonable source, and those came from chambers. And as we all know by now, getting them from the secondary sources is pretty rare (three heists now, and I still have yet to get a bonus shard from any of the secondary sources). And being a decently desired card with a 20 shard stolen cap, those few extras have quickly funneled to the top players, making it extremely difficult for a newer player to finish a card. In the end, from a new player perspective, there really is no difference, except with OL, you may not be able to finish during the event, but if there was a 5 shard stolen cap, you might have actually been able to make some progress towards getting it, and maybe even enticed players to spend gems if they got lucky and got a lot of them. Especially, as you have pointed out, OL is not a desired hero for high levels, meaning less of them would have been scooping them up in droves like they are the QT shards. Why get OL when Wight is better? What kind of point is that? When are you ever choosing OL shards over Wight shards? Neither of the stores that give out Wight shards (Guild and Trial stores) sell OL shards, and you don't get a choice in the Gauntlet.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Nov 14, 2015 6:51:51 GMT
You get Wight in 3 to 4 weeks. Before you ever really start spending tourney points.
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Post by deadsun on Nov 14, 2015 6:58:00 GMT
And Wight is still completely irrelevant to my point.
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Post by drakkan on Nov 14, 2015 7:02:02 GMT
The problem is IGG set the expectation with the first 2 events. To put cards in this heist that I can farm whenever I want is a slap in the face. The first heist was TOO good, and the second heist, IMO, was a good and fair adjustment. This one is absolute crap. Not necessarily in a vacuum, but in the context of the expectations that were already set for Heist. Yea I agree that the problem is in first Heist and expectations .. but if it werent for that Heist, this one wouldnt "suck" .. what, a way to get free 2x Queen Temptress? Not that bad imo .. if someone offered me such event before Heist was released I totally wouldnt mind... Even just 3 HB's from Heist can help lots of players .. the problem is that we expect something Paragon-power-like .. which will hardly happen again ..
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Nov 14, 2015 8:11:29 GMT
For someone who hasn't cleared 13-11 yet I am glad to steal two and a half cards worth of Queen temptress shards from this heist.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Nov 14, 2015 10:01:15 GMT
And Wight is still completely irrelevant to my point. You seem simple. If you can get Wight far faster than Overlord, and Wight is functionally better than Overlord (which it is in all areas until around lv 80/90, at which point better 5* heros than Overlord are available)- why waste valuable credits on Overlord that should be spent on the other 3 far more useful heros? That is the point people are trying to make. If you are spending credits on Overlord you're wasting resources that should be better spent elsewhere.
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Post by orgoth on Nov 14, 2015 10:43:59 GMT
The only use of overlord is an improved balrog thats it
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Post by deadsun on Nov 14, 2015 12:32:46 GMT
And Wight is still completely irrelevant to my point. You seem simple. If you can get Wight far faster than Overlord, and Wight is functionally better than Overlord (which it is in all areas until around lv 80/90, at which point better 5* heros than Overlord are available)- why waste valuable credits on Overlord that should be spent on the other 3 far more useful heros? That is the point people are trying to make. If you are spending credits on Overlord you're wasting resources that should be better spent elsewhere. Nice way to start your post off with an insult. Since I guess you still don't understand (or didn't read) my original point to Naruto, I will simplify. QT was in our heist. OL was in TW heist. Naruto said QT was better heist to have for new players. He specifically said for NEW PLAYERS. QT was the only decent card for any experienced player in this heist. Meaning that is what everyone decent would be going for, and the responses in this thread back that up. QT explore is way out of reach for any new player. Meaning all the existing shards would be in the hands of high lvl players who generally have tuned and melded decks for defense, keeping new players from heisting them. The bonus shards were from chambers, and with a 20 shard theft cap, any shards gained from those (which are stupid rare as anyone should know by now) would trickle their way to the high lvl players. Therefore QT was basically no benefit at all to new players. With me? OL, on the other hand, has shards available as early as lvl 40 when you open gauntlet, and (as you clearly understand) is NOT desired by high lvl players. Therefore it would not be getting chased and hoarded by high lvls like QT was. Also there would be a lot more shards (thanks to gauntlet) floating around in the mid lvls already, unlike QT, meaning new players would have a LOT easier of a time heisting them, and with a 5 shard steal limit, keeping them. And, for newer players, OL is not a 'bad' hero. Especially in the mid lvl range where its a strict upgrade to Balrog. So, QT was basically nearly worthless as a heist for new players, and OL would have not been fantastic, but would have been better than QT for them. So, please explain where Wight fits into that ANYWHERE. Preferably without resorting to insults.
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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Nov 14, 2015 14:00:07 GMT
You seem simple. If you can get Wight far faster than Overlord, and Wight is functionally better than Overlord (which it is in all areas until around lv 80/90, at which point better 5* heros than Overlord are available)- why waste valuable credits on Overlord that should be spent on the other 3 far more useful heros? That is the point people are trying to make. If you are spending credits on Overlord you're wasting resources that should be better spent elsewhere. Nice way to start your post off with an insult. Since I guess you still don't understand (or didn't read) my original point to Naruto, I will simplify. QT was in our heist. OL was in TW heist. Naruto said QT was better heist to have for new players. He specifically said for NEW PLAYERS. QT was the only decent card for any experienced player in this heist. Meaning that is what everyone decent would be going for, and the responses in this thread back that up. QT explore is way out of reach for any new player. Meaning all the existing shards would be in the hands of high lvl players who generally have tuned and melded decks for defense, keeping new players from heisting them. The bonus shards were from chambers, and with a 20 shard theft cap, any shards gained from those (which are stupid rare as anyone should know by now) would trickle their way to the high lvl players. Therefore QT was basically no benefit at all to new players. With me? OL, on the other hand, has shards available as early as lvl 40 when you open gauntlet, and (as you clearly understand) is NOT desired by high lvl players. Therefore it would not be getting chased and hoarded by high lvls like QT was. Also there would be a lot more shards (thanks to gauntlet) floating around in the mid lvls already, unlike QT, meaning new players would have a LOT easier of a time heisting them, and with a 5 shard steal limit, keeping them. And, for newer players, OL is not a 'bad' hero. Especially in the mid lvl range where its a strict upgrade to Balrog. So, QT was basically nearly worthless as a heist for new players, and OL would have not been fantastic, but would have been better than QT for them. So, please explain where Wight fits into that ANYWHERE. Preferably without resorting to insults. I don't think I mentioned that this is better for new players, but lets assume I did. As a new player you will never be able to finish OL because of your shitty/non-existent tournament rank. As a new player, regardless of heist event, you won't be able to heist much shards anyways because the lack of knowledge and the weak deck you have. So your one day of heist event you're going to be stuck with around 30-40 OL shards. Investing into OL is pure dumb, I regret I even bought 16 OL shards from the tournament mall when I had 84 OL shards from the free events. QT scales very well throughout the game, even unmelded. I think some (ex-)OL (WK?) owners can confirm this. And I regret wasting 3 mins to write this argument as well.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Nov 14, 2015 14:53:13 GMT
You seem simple. If you can get Wight far faster than Overlord, and Wight is functionally better than Overlord (which it is in all areas until around lv 80/90, at which point better 5* heros than Overlord are available)- why waste valuable credits on Overlord that should be spent on the other 3 far more useful heros? That is the point people are trying to make. If you are spending credits on Overlord you're wasting resources that should be better spent elsewhere. Nice way to start your post off with an insult. Since I guess you still don't understand (or didn't read) my original point to Naruto, I will simplify. QT was in our heist. OL was in TW heist. Naruto said QT was better heist to have for new players. He specifically said for NEW PLAYERS. QT was the only decent card for any experienced player in this heist. Meaning that is what everyone decent would be going for, and the responses in this thread back that up. QT explore is way out of reach for any new player. Meaning all the existing shards would be in the hands of high lvl players who generally have tuned and melded decks for defense, keeping new players from heisting them. The bonus shards were from chambers, and with a 20 shard theft cap, any shards gained from those (which are stupid rare as anyone should know by now) would trickle their way to the high lvl players. Therefore QT was basically no benefit at all to new players. With me? OL, on the other hand, has shards available as early as lvl 40 when you open gauntlet, and (as you clearly understand) is NOT desired by high lvl players. Therefore it would not be getting chased and hoarded by high lvls like QT was. Also there would be a lot more shards (thanks to gauntlet) floating around in the mid lvls already, unlike QT, meaning new players would have a LOT easier of a time heisting them, and with a 5 shard steal limit, keeping them. And, for newer players, OL is not a 'bad' hero. Especially in the mid lvl range where its a strict upgrade to Balrog. So, QT was basically nearly worthless as a heist for new players, and OL would have not been fantastic, but would have been better than QT for them. So, please explain where Wight fits into that ANYWHERE. Preferably without resorting to insults. Sigh. Even for new players, Wight is easily achievable. With me? Based on that, Overlord (being inferior to Wight in most every way) is a waste of time. Especially as a new player wouldn't be able to get the 100 shards required, not even close. We're not talking about a hard to achieve 5* hero, we're talking about a relatively easily achieved 4*. Which every player will get before Overlord. Which is better than Overlord. Farming Overlord through tournament is a waste of valuable credits. Those credits should be put into other things. I invested credits into OL seeing as it was the closest 5* I had to completion, and I have barely used it. I used my DR/Berserker/Wight only before getting better 5*. Overlord is only just now showing some value, and is finally better than Wight in high-end battles, but still vastly inferior to Judgment/Warlock/Oceanus. So I still don't use it. Hope you understand Wight's relevance in this now. If you have Wight, you have absolutely no need at all for Overlord.
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Post by Nafai✪APeXNFS on Nov 14, 2015 15:46:02 GMT
I will add some new player experience into this. For me this heist was very good because I got 2HB and I need only one more for recycle meld. And If I didnt go to pub I would get it yesterday Two HB it is 20 days of farming for me, 1200 energy.... For Wight: I am building him for 4 weeks now and I am only on 53 shards - and I bought all accessible shards on market. So I will need 6 weeks to finish it if I am lucky... Concerning of QT: I didnt even tried because I thought that people who have its shards are way above my deck.
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Post by copy✪NFS on Nov 14, 2015 18:17:11 GMT
From my experience your offensive deck doesnt need to be good to get shards in heist events. I have beaten decks with op cards and also decks with 1000 strenght, because people think 1* heroes + light brave is a good defensive setup. The only difference is that if you are beginner, you will lose your shards very fast. But there is a limit of how much you can lose. But some seem to forget this. I collected about ~50 QT shards with only 1 or 2 gem resets (not sure). If you are a beginner and you want whatever heist creature, invest some gems or much time, and you will get every creature that is farmable. (Paragon, QT...etc.)
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Post by deadsun on Nov 14, 2015 22:47:22 GMT
I made over 2 full Twins this heist because I don't have a retreat to meld onto my QT yet. That's over 60 shards, and I slept for over 1/3 of the event. It is possible to get up to 195 shards if you do all 13 refreshes and get lucky (without gems). And when its a not in demand card for high lvl players, like the new player above pointed out with HB (like OL would be) getting more than 50 shards is definitely doable. You are coming at it from a high lvl player going after high demand shards perspective and not from a newer players perspective.
And once more, derpy goes back to Wight, a card that, as nafai mentions, takes time to farm. And it is in no way mutually exclusive with OL. There is no way in which OL shards being available for newer players would prevent you from also farming Wight at the same time. Making it a completely moot point. On the other hand, having OL early could very well help some players break into the tournament ranks and hold them a lot sooner as you need 2 decent decks at least to hold position, and working on Wight does in fact slow your acquisition of the other 4 star heroes since until you get Wight finished and lvld, your guild dmg is going to be limited. At lower tourny ranks, having a strictly better Balrog with 2 hero skills and access to a better set of hero skills (like Deathless) is very good.
And acting like OL is absolutely worthless when you've got people in the top 50 of tourney like PinkPanic at 19 and Beckley at 22 both with rank 2 OL, R iser at rank 17, and Jammie, Chr0ll0_WK_, Squirrel_WK_, and mrbangbang_WK_ in the 30's is pretty silly. There's 11 OL in the top 50 tournament. How many Wights in that top 50? Two. Almost six times as many OL. Considering Wight is so much easier to get than OL, why isn't it more represented? Why are some of the top 50 tourney players picking low lvl OL over their Wight if it is so much better?
I have said my piece and put out the evidence. I am done.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 23:54:50 GMT
Create another thread about Overlord vs Wight then
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Nov 15, 2015 0:36:38 GMT
I made over 2 full Twins this heist because I don't have a retreat to meld onto my QT yet. That's over 60 shards, and I slept for over 1/3 of the event. It is possible to get up to 195 shards if you do all 13 refreshes and get lucky (without gems). And when its a not in demand card for high lvl players, like the new player above pointed out with HB (like OL would be) getting more than 50 shards is definitely doable. You are coming at it from a high lvl player going after high demand shards perspective and not from a newer players perspective. And once more, derpy goes back to Wight, a card that, as nafai mentions, takes time to farm. And it is in no way mutually exclusive with OL. There is no way in which OL shards being available for newer players would prevent you from also farming Wight at the same time. Making it a completely moot point. On the other hand, having OL early could very well help some players break into the tournament ranks and hold them a lot sooner as you need 2 decent decks at least to hold position, and working on Wight does in fact slow your acquisition of the other 4 star heroes since until you get Wight finished and lvld, your guild dmg is going to be limited. At lower tourny ranks, having a strictly better Balrog with 2 hero skills and access to a better set of hero skills (like Deathless) is very good. And acting like OL is absolutely worthless when you've got people in the top 50 of tourney like PinkPanic at 19 and Beckley at 22 both with rank 2 OL, R iser at rank 17, and Jammie, Chr0ll0_WK_, Squirrel_WK_, and mrbangbang_WK_ in the 30's is pretty silly. There's 11 OL in the top 50 tournament. How many Wights in that top 50? Two. Almost six times as many OL. Considering Wight is so much easier to get than OL, why isn't it more represented? Why are some of the top 50 tourney players picking low lvl OL over their Wight if it is so much better? I have said my piece and put out the evidence. I am done. No, you're absolutely right. You know better than the rest of us. My deepest apologies. Best of luck to you, I wont dream of offering you advice again in the future.
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Post by doggystyle on Nov 15, 2015 2:32:49 GMT
Wight was my first 4* hero and Overlord my first 5* hero, all i can say is that my lvl9 wight with mortii aura9, undying 10, cripple 10 is weaker then my lvl 1 overlord with protection 9, deathless 10 and soulburst 10. I regret spending so much tournment credits on overlord shards because he is probably the weakest among all 5* BUT for those who don't have manny recycles/revive (i only have 2 recycle and 0 revives) overlord is better then wight.
About this heist: Yeah it was the worst one so far but at least i got almost 3 HB from it.
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