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Post by dhinstructables on Feb 12, 2016 14:34:02 GMT
If they are checking differences between what is written and what is happening, we are in for some major changes!
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Feb 12, 2016 19:39:56 GMT
Yay bug fixes
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Post by thundergod on Feb 13, 2016 6:26:46 GMT
It's just another ego trip by the developers - I often get the impression they are trying to beat down players at every opportunity and take offence at any attempts to overcome their defences. I guess they reason that it will make people spend more money out of frustration but far more likely people will just give up and go play a game without such babies making up the rules to suit themselves so they always win. You give them too much credit. I doubt anyone tested the "bug fix" before it went live. Someone probably just noticed a difference between what was written and what was happening and changed it to match. Probably the case. The hero hunter skill(which contributes to making this grimoire so hard) has been bugged since forever, probably even before grimoire. I don't they'll put too much effort into fixing this actually bug because IGG doesn't want things to be easier.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Feb 13, 2016 11:00:48 GMT
Nice TG. Can you share your deck, please? I noticed your Oracle has 2400 HP .. you're using Vitality V on them? For creatures, there might be better setups, but I used nearly the same cards I think Naruto used in one of his videos: 6 Oracles(3 FA, 1 I7, 2 unmelded), 1 Bless RD, 1 Mith Drone, 1 DL, and 1 Bless HB. The DL and HB had some mid level 4* vit runes and the human cards all had a level 7 5* vit rune(the RD with a lvl 8 vit). My judge had lvl 7 5* hero Vigor, lvl 6 5* all vigor, lvl 5 5* faen and human vigors, and lvl 3 4* heal amp. the deck looks achievable but level 7 he vigor will take time... But question:... Any particular order or card must be put first for us? Or for the AI?.. I mean any particular card must be placed on certain card order in front of certain card to avoid certain skill? Thanks for the share... I am only done the 4* and building with hope for the 5*
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Feb 13, 2016 17:25:37 GMT
Try not to put oracles in front of chainstrike.
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Post by tchex on Feb 13, 2016 18:18:09 GMT
But what if you CG the HA with the VBs and he RD's the BR? And what were you trying to achieve with your childish comment? Someone is spending his time to help all you get better in game and you dont appreciate that? If you dont understand the short names then Protean 5* isnt for you anyways. What is childish is the utter laziness of using that many acronyms. I know exactly what he means but it doesnt mean I want to see that sort of gibberish here or anywhere else on the internet for that matter. The overwhelming majority of players find protean grimorie to be far too difficult and a complete crapshoot as to whether or not it can be beaten. When even high level decks are requiring a huge amount of luck, we would be more productive investing our time ranting at the developers instead of leading people on to believe they can beat it at low levels (or, even at all, in many cases)
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Post by sonbalin on Feb 13, 2016 18:58:18 GMT
If 5* grimoires were supposed to be beatable by low levels then they wouldn't have made 1-4* versions.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Feb 13, 2016 19:17:42 GMT
PSA: You can't beat it at low levels. Good luck ranting to the devs. Lol gl hf gg wp bbq.
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Post by thundergod on Feb 14, 2016 4:56:35 GMT
For creatures, there might be better setups, but I used nearly the same cards I think Naruto used in one of his videos: 6 Oracles(3 FA, 1 I7, 2 unmelded), 1 Bless RD, 1 Mith Drone, 1 DL, and 1 Bless HB. The DL and HB had some mid level 4* vit runes and the human cards all had a level 7 5* vit rune(the RD with a lvl 8 vit). My judge had lvl 7 5* hero Vigor, lvl 6 5* all vigor, lvl 5 5* faen and human vigors, and lvl 3 4* heal amp. the deck looks achievable but level 7 he vigor will take time... But question:... Any particular order or card must be put first for us? Or for the AI?.. I mean any particular card must be placed on certain card order in front of certain card to avoid certain skill? Thanks for the share... I am only done the 4* and building with hope for the 5* I try to place only 1 card on the field turn 1, preferably an FA card(you have to place a card on the field first turn or you will probably end up hero killed). After that, it depends on the layout and just takes time getting used to from there. Outside of the first 2-3 turns, you can hold a card for a turn to line up your cards correctly if you need to. For what to place in front of certain cards: Rip-Immunity card(Mandatory), preferably horned beast. Bad RNG here will give you headaches as a rip is an autolose most of the time unless ripped very late(turn20+) Hero Hunter-Frost Armor card(Mandatory) Will one shot any non-FA card with battle set. You need a card in front of this ASAP because you have a good chance of losing if it attacks your hero past its initial turn. Sweeping Blow-FA(Recommended) It's not mandatory but you will need to hope you either have a FA card on both sides or hope battle set doesn't activate since a regular card+battle set Sweeping blow has the possibility of taking out a card. Chainstrike-Drone/Royal Dragon and then Dragonlord if you have to. Battle set with Chainstrike will one shot the Oracles. Bullseye-Drone/Imu Oracle and then RD if you have to. It's very dangerous using an FA in front of this because battle set can pretty much one shot the FA card. If this or chainstrike draws first, then you will have to use one of the recommended cards and hope battle set doesn't activate. Bloodlust-FA(Preferred) or HB. I wouldn't worry too much about this as it's not a priority at all and you can usually just play anything in front of it. You just have to keep in mind that in the later rounds, a battle set with this can hit for about 5.5k. Pursuit-Anything Benediction-Anything That should be all of them since I think there are 3 Benediction cards. Be prepared though that until a better deck gets created or get a level 8 hero vigor, this grimoire is extremely frustrating and will probably still take you a long time with the above decks. I wouldn't recommend unless you are determined and have a decent amount of free time. Before the patch, you could prob beat it twice 25 mins tops with the above setup, but now it's much harder. tchex Writing those acronyms are not laziness. It's terminology more commonly used to refer to the names of these cards, just like shorthand terminology used in every other game. Most people playing this game for a while and those who want to attempt this grimoire are used to most of these acronyms as well.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Feb 14, 2016 6:55:59 GMT
Thanks for the advise... Really appreciate it... Think will get hero vigor 8 before I try for better assurance.... I am now at level 5 hero vigor which will take some handsome glory to level
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Post by butte on Feb 14, 2016 17:00:39 GMT
Do you think you can beat lvl 5 with warlock too? It can deal the rip-problem
My deck so far: fa5-oracle fa5-oracle fa3-oracle fa3-oracle im7-oracle im7-oracle stoneskin-oracle drone fa5-royal dragon mass heal-swordmaster
i'm working on more fa-oracle.... Maybe a bless-royal dragon for the place infront of the chainstrike-creature. then a lucky draw with the drone at the beginning.
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Post by buscetto on Feb 14, 2016 19:29:45 GMT
Maybe you have a chance with warlock if your warlock has a very high level. But I'm pretty sure you need 9 cards with bless if you want to beat lvl 5. I did it recently with 9 oracles (6xfa,1ximmun9, 2 on lvl 15 withour meld) and one drone. I used this 4* human hero Royal Guard on lvl 1 On the Hero i also had a couple of Runes (hero vigor lvl 8, human vigor lvl 3 (that time), 3* heal rune lvl 5 (<- very important to get enough rage every round). But the start is very hard. On all of the cards i had a vitality rune on lvl 5-6. And the oracles had bless rune on lvl 7-8.
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Post by thundergod on Feb 14, 2016 19:53:52 GMT
Maybe you have a chance with warlock if your warlock has a very high level. But I'm pretty sure you need 9 cards with bless if you want to beat lvl 5. I did it recently with 9 oracles (6xfa,1ximmun9, 2 on lvl 15 withour meld) and one drone. I used this 4* human hero Royal Guard on lvl 1 On the Hero i also had a couple of Runes (hero vigor lvl 8, human vigor lvl 3 (that time), 3* heal rune lvl 5 (<- very important to get enough rage every round). But the start is very hard. On all of the cards i had a vitality rune on lvl 5-6. And the oracles had bless rune on lvl 7-8. I can see Royal Guard working if gets to the point where it can chain its hero skill. I tried it the day grimoire came out, but I didn't have the cards for it to work at the time. The level 8 Hero Vigor is definitely a big factor though. butte You will need 9 bless cards, so that won't work. Also, since the WL heal got capped to 2k(I think they should raise to 3-5k), I'm not sure if your cards can outheal them and generate enough rage to chain together WL heals early on. I haven't made an attempt with WL because of the heal cap, but it might be possible.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Feb 14, 2016 20:18:23 GMT
The problem with royal guard is you can only take as much damage and generate as much rage as you can heal on your own each turn from mass heal. Judgement is just way better.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Feb 15, 2016 7:23:07 GMT
I never thought I would need a drone but for this specific grimoire I might need one. *Sigh
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Post by BK✦GamerGurl33 on Mar 19, 2016 15:45:11 GMT
Mythril's Spellbinder skill doesn't seem to work anymore on this deck. The purple 'ribbons' that it puts around the enemy cards when they are spellbound do not appear when Mythril is played and the enemy crits' magic abilities don't seem affected. Has something changed? Also, strangely Firestorm doesn't work (gets healed), but the Dragon's Flamma does.
I have only been able to beat this Grimoire on Level 3, using Dragon Rider, a couple of Oracles with I9 and FA, Juggernaut with FA, Mythril, Royal Dragon, Swordmaster w/ Lifesap, Devotee w/ Block, Yggdryad, Horned Beast, and Ash Beast. I don't have any trouble keeping my hero alive, but my cards get killed very quickly in Level 4.
When I was in the early stages of the game, I never really concentrated on farming Oracles or melding as much as I should have, which is now coming back to bite me. That's why I only have two Oracles to use for this deck. I'm doing it now, but as you all know, it takes a lot of time, energy and patience. Also, I don't have any of the melds suggested earlier in the thread, and only 4* heroes, which is why I've only been able to win it on Level 3. Now that we have the Skill Upgrade cards though, at least a win gets Map draws.
I also noticed in Levels 3 and 4, the cards have some other skills which weren't mentioned in the thread, like Blaze 10 and Sneak. Level 5 also has an Instakill crit, and only one Benediction, but multiple Sweeping Blow cards.
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Post by Sick. on Mar 19, 2016 21:49:03 GMT
Mythrils spellbinder still works, the graphic effect is bugged, it still blocked the spells for me.
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Post by ℜ★God on Mar 19, 2016 22:02:40 GMT
I don't have a Mythril (leveling Spirit Arbiter is more important to me at the moment XD), so I cannot test this for myself.
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Post by Hitmus✪NFS on Apr 12, 2016 13:37:42 GMT
as i have tested finally it i agree that with lev7 hero rune without freezing dance. i allow 4 attacks more and i died with 4 creatures on board. So with super perfect scenario and zero skip you can maybe win it without freezing dance. on Level 8 you have 6-7 "skip" for board control or freeze.
i need still more FA oracle and 1 immunity 9 for better setup.
I did also SM bless which gave me few thousends more hp gained as he protected last line before next opponent creature. freezing dance would allow me i guess still more "skips".
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Post by nowar on Jun 9, 2016 3:13:13 GMT
Yes 4* is dead easy. With a high level hero vigor rune you don't even need Oracles. You can just send 1 creature at a time and your hero will survive the required time. Its totally wierd how 4* is so easy that I never lost .. and 5* is so hard that I never won Hi, Can you tell me about the hero and cards required to beat 4* protean ?
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Post by StackMasta on Jun 9, 2016 3:35:45 GMT
Its totally wierd how 4* is so easy that I never lost .. and 5* is so hard that I never won Hi, Can you tell me about the hero and cards required to beat 4* protean ? I use predator Lv7 with 5* Hero Vigor Rune Lv5. The whole deck consists of oracles/dream guide and i just send one card out at a time.
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Post by nowar on Jun 9, 2016 3:38:03 GMT
Thanks for the quick reply StackMasta,
I have lots of healers, but I don't have predator, have you tried with other heroes?
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Post by SquagglyCat on Jun 9, 2016 3:38:42 GMT
A decent amount of combinations exist for 4* luckily. In my experience, I've used a pool of say, 20 cards, to win.
Hero: Judgment (don't know any way around this)
Creatures: Mythril Drone (won't stop magic but has high HP and immunity) Oracle (FA or immunity both work, 4* only has one chainstrike card so don't throw in front of it) Naga Mistress (FA or immunity) Swordmaster (Good combo of FA and Maji shield to stay alive) Horned beast (may need some good HP boosts to avoid being one-shotted) Sentry angel (I put mass heal on, immunity could work. The restoration plus judgment keeps him alive) Fafnir (Dodge & immunity with high HP) Mimir's Tree (won't be one-shotted and has high immunity)
Honestly anything with decent HP (1600+) that has immunity, Dodge/FA, Maji Shield, maybe reflect? Will work.
Putting protection on judgment will save you from a couple losses surely, as it'll permanently raise the HP out of one-shot range.
I'm sure others will have more options, these are the more commonly seen I believe. I also run an immunity mariner, immunity Delilah, immunity liege. Not "rare" but a little harder to obtain.
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Post by nowar on Jun 9, 2016 3:40:45 GMT
Funny thought, will higher level Elder Mawrek work for protean rune 5? As he can heal back 300 per enemy creature.
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Post by StackMasta on Jun 9, 2016 3:42:57 GMT
Funny thought, will higher level Elder Mawrek work for protean rune 5? As he can heal back 300 per enemy creature. Haha nope. Ive seen protean 4 done with berserker also if u have that.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jun 9, 2016 8:31:25 GMT
I have a new possible set up for those of you who have Lich Lord.
Royal guard + 9 oracles and a Lich Lord.
Let a few oracles die and then hopefully LL can keep procing RD each turn, while oracles heal your hero. This is for 5* Protean coz 4* can be done with Berserker.
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Post by sblip on Jun 9, 2016 9:13:57 GMT
interesting. that is reason enough to attempt to finish map 14.
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Post by ZanderX10 on Jun 9, 2016 9:15:23 GMT
interesting. that is reason enough to attempt to finish map 14. finally. a reason to finish map 14
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jun 9, 2016 12:38:11 GMT
Map 14? Lol, hope you guys didn't get confused between Lich Lord and Lord Bones. Lich lord is only available from relic chest events. Lord bones is available from map 14.
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Post by sblip on Jun 9, 2016 18:54:29 GMT
i did. i was up too late. that's my excuse and i'm sticking to it.
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