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Post by tanisomsford on Mar 7, 2016 6:26:51 GMT
This thread is open to discuss and build the best guide for us to defeat the new grimoire challenge.
I will edit this OP as the ideas roll in from the community, but for now I'll post all the notes I've gathered to assist our progress.
Highlights. -Mantra every round, forget rip. -two dodge10 cards -two FA10 cards -one i10 card (Damnitt)
Lifewise, these creatures have 25,000 HP, heal 100% life, and to make it worse, add 500 per two rounds. The math works out to max HP roughly 12,500 + 25,000 = 37,500 at judgement
This points to the need for bullseye.
Because heal100%, we need to 'one-shot' the creatures.
Best hero I think for this is paw master. The support cards must have higher life than the bullseye card so elixer grows the bullseye cards attack only.
Damage per turn with a mythril drone to turn off magic is 1600+600 echo damage.
This is the key facts to hit on. Who's got some ideas???
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Post by spizz0 on Mar 7, 2016 6:39:31 GMT
Chainstrike doesn't work
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Mar 7, 2016 6:43:16 GMT
Tried standard captivator gm deck. No go. One of my oracles still has fat8 which works but was a mistake. Captivator got them down to 15k before round 50 but at round 50 judge kicked in and wiped my side. I wasn't taking nearly enough damage to trigger sorrow frequently enough (used drone).
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Mar 7, 2016 6:47:01 GMT
Paw Master buffed max hp last time I tried it so it was impossible to keep buffing just 1 creature. Anyone know if it still does?
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Post by spizz0 on Mar 7, 2016 6:47:34 GMT
Iron will doesn't seem to protect them from SA's Scourge... Maybe a lv.5 SA would do the job pretty easy?
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Post by tanisomsford on Mar 7, 2016 6:47:45 GMT
Tried standard captivator gm deck. No go. One of my oracles still has fat8 which works but was a mistake. Captivator got them down to 15k before round 50 but at round 50 judge kicked in and wiped my side. I was thinking paw master because he can grow attack exponentially. After round 12-16 you can have a bullseye card doing crazy damage. Even in the realm of 50k+ My paw master lv9 increase attack by 70% each time.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Mar 7, 2016 6:49:33 GMT
Yea it would be super easy with Paw if it doesn't increase max hp anymore.
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Post by tanisomsford on Mar 7, 2016 6:54:35 GMT
Math scale for paw master lv9: 1000 base attack 1700 1st 2890 2nd 4913 3rd 8352 4th 14,198 5th 24,137 6th 41,033 7th Then the card must hit each of the ten enemies before judgement kicks in. Need the hero skill firing every second turn. 14 of 22 turns. High healer runes can double attack, shaving two skill fires off, since 28,200 can take down first couple baddies.
But the damage and healers is the missing part of the puzzle for me.
Maybe I'm on the wrong track.
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Post by tanisomsford on Mar 7, 2016 6:55:11 GMT
What about killer queen captivator combo? Any thoughts there?
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Post by tanisomsford on Mar 7, 2016 6:55:53 GMT
Yea it would be super easy with Paw if it doesn't increase max hp anymore. Yes,.pawaster only heals, and DOES NOT increase max HP. This will allow one card to get the attack boost ongoing
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Mar 7, 2016 7:04:58 GMT
That's what everyone says but last time I tried it increased max hp.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Mar 7, 2016 7:08:10 GMT
Does mantra remove KQ?
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Post by spizz0 on Mar 7, 2016 7:11:22 GMT
I was thinking about a combo of 4 Michaels + 1 Drone with a Berserk + War Hungry hero (Drone is to not get michaels blasted by magics). Bullseye runes are welcome ofc. Can't test this because I don't have a drone
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Mar 7, 2016 7:20:28 GMT
Berserk is only 75% chance though and War Hungry only triggers twice. Could kill off 6 but what then?
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Mar 7, 2016 7:22:00 GMT
I guess Overlord + 2 Taurus could work to finish off the rest but I don't think many people have 2 Taurus.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Mar 7, 2016 7:45:30 GMT
Yea it would be super easy with Paw if it doesn't increase max hp anymore. Yes,.pawaster only heals, and DOES NOT increase max HP. This will allow one card to get the attack boost ongoing Just tried it out and can confirm 100% that paw master increases max HP by however much it heals. Tried it on a full hp bullseye crit and max hp wasn't affected but every time after that he was healed back up the 600 damage he took from toxicity and his max hp was increased by 600 as well.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Mar 7, 2016 7:51:28 GMT
Yes,.pawaster only heals, and DOES NOT increase max HP. This will allow one card to get the attack boost ongoing Just tried it out and can confirm 100% that paw master increases max HP by however much it heals. Tried it on a full hp bullseye crit and max hp wasn't affected but every time after that he was healed back up the 600 damage he took from toxicity and his max hp was increased by 600 as well. maybe there is a bug in his skill... If the hp is lowered, then it heals + extra... If his JP is at max( no damage), it does not increase hp
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Mar 7, 2016 7:54:09 GMT
I think it was changed a little after guild map change that killed Wight when we realized old Paw could do 3mil+ damage.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Mar 7, 2016 7:57:32 GMT
So anyone done this map?... 25k hp is no joke....some more it heal itself 100%..does rip work mantra cancelsb
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Mar 7, 2016 8:02:12 GMT
I think BB8 Michaels + Zora could get there but I have no idea how you kill the physical immune guy.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Mar 7, 2016 8:14:09 GMT
I think BB8 Michaels + Zora could get there but I have no idea how you kill the physical immune guy. Yeah, this is the key part that I'm struggling with too. So far the only answer I've come up with is Taurus or *maybe* Spirit Arbiter. Don't think there's enough immunity to make Alchemist viable. Here's the breakdown of pertinent points that I've seen that we need to find a way of dealing with- -Starting HP 25000 -Creatures increase max HP by 500 per round -Creatures heal to max per round -1 immunity 10 creature -1 physical immune creature -Multiple dodge+FA -High magic damage -Removes all lockdown and damaging skills every round What this adds up to for me is there is almost no way of doing this without Taurus or Arbiter that I can see. We need to find a way of reliably doing well over 25k damage in a single round, in both physical AND magical damage. Doing one may be possible but I don't see how to do both. Michael or any number of Neander bullseye creatures are very capable of dealing with the physical part, there are a lot of ways to make that happen- but the physical immune is the issue. We don't have enough direct damage to make that happen, or magic damage even. Taurus would destroy it easily, as would Spirit Arbiter with a little support. One idea for dealing with the max HP increase we have is to use Afflict- Quetz can reduce max HP by 40 per turn, this can at least make that more manageable. But it still doesn't answer how to solve that physical immune creature. Interested to see what people can come up with, because I'm at a loss right now.
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Mar 7, 2016 8:24:28 GMT
this is crazy... :/ I was able to get them to 20k hp and that's the most i could do... Bullseye creatures would really be needed here. Now how do you stack Attack power each round so it can go up til 25k attk power before round 50? Actually a constant attack of bullseye 9k could finish the job based on my computation but how can we attain that if RUNES arent working too... even sac crits have trouble with this... the only way is to nuke it with magic spamm.
Edit: I forgot that physicall immunity critter...
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on Mar 7, 2016 8:27:52 GMT
Is it possible to kill 8 off focusing purely on magic or physical with Overlord as the hero? Taurus + Overlord could take it from there.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Mar 7, 2016 8:33:09 GMT
You don't even need Overlord. If you're lucky enough to have Taurus, pair it with either Berserker or Zora- hell, it may even stack enough to allow you to run it with Warlock or Judgment.
Thanks to Nobility, you can bank on Taurus gaining well over 500 atk per turn. What you really want is a couple of big hitting Neanders with bullseye to support though, thanks to the direct damage on all creatures- that would be enough to push the damage over the edge.
I would most likely go for BR Michael far left with high level healer runes, Mythril Drone, Taurus and Warlock hero. See what the damage output is like. If that doesn't work, you can try with Zora or Berserker with Anathema. I think with Taurus+Michael working together, you could probably get your first kill by round 40, then the rest would drop very fast indeed. Would need careful placement and a little luck to make sure you can kill enough of them before the physical immune comes to Michael.
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Mar 7, 2016 8:54:32 GMT
This is why they wanted us to upgrade our skills.
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Post by ninjafred on Mar 7, 2016 12:25:54 GMT
Easy to beat AT LEVEL 3 with a simple 5 cards deck :
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Just put the Michael in first position ofc
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Mar 7, 2016 12:28:22 GMT
Easy to beat AT LEVEL 3 with a simple 5 cards deck : Zora Mythril Drone 3 Oracles melded FA Michael lvl 10 Just put the Michael in first position ofc we've beaten a level 4... but 5 is at the moment... unattainable.
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Post by Baradead(japooned) on Mar 7, 2016 12:36:31 GMT
Easy to beat AT LEVEL 3 with a simple 5 cards deck : Zora Mythril Drone 3 Oracles melded FA Michael lvl 10 Just put the Michael in first position ofc we've beaten a level 4... but 5 is at the moment... unattainable. Can you show us the deck pls
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Mar 7, 2016 12:43:14 GMT
we've beaten a level 4... but 5 is at the moment... unattainable. Can you show us the deck pls It's almost same as what ninjafred posted but your bullseye creature should have a good support. I tried it with my Guildmap deck and it worked Anathema/michael + bunchof healers + mythril Zora/berserker. in level 5. The creatures heal 100% of hp. so uless you can hit up to 30k one hit, you wouldn't be able to get that level.
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Post by icezaius on Mar 7, 2016 12:59:27 GMT
Anybody tried gladiator yet? He would get you around some of the tougher kills
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