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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 21:32:30 GMT
Why didnt they just cancelled the event ? Maybe to test more for possible bugs ok. But Why did they allow ppl to bet still ? Nobody was aware of bugs till elimination stage, and i guess many ppl betted for Grandmaster selection before eliminations. They shouldnt have betted maybe if they knew these bugs. i dont understand why igg resists and doesnt want to give gems back to all players ,ban the players who are rightful to complain about this. i never betted and lost anything, but all those ppl, do they have to accept Hydra as a compensation for such a buggy event? i dont even mind hydra, igg can take it back. also not only ppl who participated in event were rewarded w hydra but all players have been given it..As a conclusion this is not fair, this is not a way of apologizing , this is obvious gem robbery. Gambling = robbery? Okay bud.
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 21:33:32 GMT
You can do it. I believe in you. "Jaegybomb's words of encouragement made you more determined!" +10 Determination
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Post by iKoi on Apr 28, 2016 21:36:45 GMT
Yea the whole outrage over the bug is blown way out of proportion and I feel like most people are just mad for the sake of being mad and the people dismissing the free 5*hero as being useless is the most disgusting imo because they expect igg to cater to them with a sever wide gift.. When anything that would be useful to then would be insanely rare since they're the top percentage of players which news flash does not mean you represent the mass I'm sure the thousands of lowbie players not in tournament top 1000 are beyond happy for a 5*
And based off this thread post history and the same people complaining about losing gems are the same ones who knew how buggy it was yet still bet... This whole thing is beyond sad and this thread is disgustingly toxic for no real reason.
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 21:42:55 GMT
Why this event is fair (as far as the betting goes): 1. Obviously, betting comes with a risk/reward factor. By locking in your wager, YOU SILENTLY AGREED THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD THIS. It's really backwards to know that you could lose EVERYTHING THAT YOU JUST bet, and to then complain to Google when it happens. 2. The first round may have been unfair, I'll give it that. But that's because no one knew of the bugs yet. But if you saw these bugs, and then decided to bet again in the following rounds, you can't just be like "Omg I just lost my gems because of these stupid bugs IGG is so stupid I want a refund." BECAUSE YOU KNEW THE BUGS WERE PRESENT, BUT STILL BET ANYWAYS. 3. No one is forcing you to bet in the first place. Ever heard of being a spectator? 4. The Wager rewards really weren't that great anyways... So if you bet hundreds of thousands of gems to get to the top of those rankings, but lost them, then that's on you fam.
God (me?), it's so aggravating seeing so many people complain about this. Stop whining because you lost a damn bet.
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Post by sonbalin on Apr 28, 2016 21:43:13 GMT
ℜ★God You've made like 500 posts in a week or two, you'll be past me in no time. All the rest have retired from the forums too, except Hitmus who just pops up now and again.
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 21:45:02 GMT
Yea the whole outrage over the bug is blown way out of proportion and I feel like most people are just mad for the sake of being mad and the people dismissing the free 5*hero as being useless is the most disgusting imo because they expect igg to cater to them with a sever wide gift.. When anything that would be useful to then would be insanely rare since they're the top percentage of players which news flash does not mean you represent the mass I'm sure the thousands of lowbie players not in tournament top 1000 are beyond happy for a 5* And based off this thread post history and the same people complaining about losing gems are the same ones who knew how buggy it was yet still bet... This whole thing is beyond sad and this thread is disgustingly toxic for no real reason. Woah! Someone with some sense!
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 21:45:59 GMT
ℜ★God You've made like 500 posts in a week or two, you'll be past me in no time. All the rest have retired from the forums too, except Hitmus who just pops up now and again. Yeah, passing Somar, Hitmus, and Diana won't be a problem. Stop posting so I can pass you fam > jk lol
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Post by ℜ✯Doomsday on Apr 28, 2016 21:50:41 GMT
I didn't bet after the first elimination and only did 2 of the grandmaster selections. Total I wagered across was 50,000 gems and not all were lost. If I wager and the only thing I have to worry about is random creature draw and everything works as should then there can be no complaints about losing gems. When there are unforeseen bugs that are game changing, well, then you have a problem and your betting event is no longer legitimate. The event should've been taken down and gems returned or even a rollback to correct the bugs. All of this would be fine. Their compensation is a hero that most can never upgrade. I already had a Hydra, which again I paid for, but now everyone gets for free. That isn't fair. Shouldn't be fair for anyone else that purchased a Hydra. I didn't complain to just complain. I reported each battle that I had bet in that were present with bugs that directly affected that outcome. I had to screenshot and describe in detail along with that battle report.
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 21:55:11 GMT
But why would you purchase a Hydra when it's bad, even on paper? ;-; That's like buying a literal pile of s*** , and then complaining when that same pile of s*** gets handed to everyone else for free lol.
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Post by ℜ✯Doomsday on Apr 28, 2016 21:58:50 GMT
My Hydra at level 5 isn't terrible. Better than Thor and adds to my guild battle total. With high level voodoo runes and decent setup it can drop some heavy damage. I stopped using it when I obtained captivator, which was an obvious choice.
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 22:01:00 GMT
It's not terrible, but it's certainly worse than most other 5 star heroes who you can get for free.
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Post by ℜ✯Doomsday on Apr 28, 2016 22:06:52 GMT
I also managed to get the 200 shards for 26k gems, which is far better than the value pack sales and the most recent faction wars. It was a hero that was rare and few had it. The only way to get it was through purchasing. It's not a fair compensation. Lose in-game currency due to unforeseen bugs and do not receive in-game currency as a compensation. There's no way to replace lost gems without purchasing more gems. You can call me a complainer all day, but they are doing deceptive business practices. I will hold them accountable even if no one else will. I actually tried to reason with their customer support before going to google.
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 22:22:05 GMT
You could only get that rare pile of s*** by buying it, and you're mad that everyone else got it for free. But the thing is, it's still a pile of s*** , so....
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Post by ℜ★Kaiba on Apr 28, 2016 22:29:00 GMT
I think if they gave Cap or Ocea would be a better choice for everyone. I only lost 1k gems due to bugs & i would rather 1k back lol
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Post by tchex on Apr 28, 2016 22:32:50 GMT
I have never seen hydras breath at high levels, it is possible that it gets more funky powers along with its basic breath statuses - that would be cool.
Or if it was able to bypass immunity completely like captivator.
Down at the sub 50 levels, admittedly long forgotten by the veterans, it is absolutely godly even at level 1 breath you can focus all your glory into levelling up it's 5 star skills and watch it kill the world.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 22:33:35 GMT
Gambling = robbery? Okay bud. This was not even fair gambling. This is robbery because many ppl have a right to demand their gems back for the bets before any bug is known by pubkic, but they are forced to accept what igg decided and valued as compensation gift, which may be nothing compared to their losses. if this is not robbery, tell me what robbery is.
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Post by tchex on Apr 28, 2016 22:35:12 GMT
Oceanus is available to all, even very low level players, if you just mine for him.
Remember when the only 5 star you could get was Thor? Imagine if we had hydra FOR FREE back then, would have been the greatest thing ever!
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 22:41:08 GMT
I'd rather not have to deal with every low level having a Cap or an OceAnus XD
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 22:42:38 GMT
I have never seen hydras breath at high levels, it is possible that it gets more funky powers along with its basic breath statuses - that would be cool. Or if it was able to bypass immunity completely like captivator. Down at the sub 50 levels, admittedly long forgotten by the veterans, it is absolutely godly even at level 1 breath you can focus all your glory into levelling up it's 5 star skills and watch it kill the world. 1) It already bypasses Immunity and Unbound. 2) At level 10, it does 800 damage instead of 300. That's about it lol
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 22:44:34 GMT
Gambling = robbery? Okay bud. This was not even fair gambling. This is robbery because many ppl have a right to demand their gems back for the bets before any bug is known by pubkic, but they are forced to accept what igg decided and valued as compensation gift, which may be nothing compared to their losses. if this is not robbery, tell me what robbery is. Robbery is literally taking something that isn't yours. IGG took nothing from anyone. People willingly put their gems at risk, in order to potentially get more in return. That's how gambling works XD
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 22:45:26 GMT
Yea the whole outrage over the bug is blown out of proportion and I feel like most people are just mad for the sake of being mad and the people dismissing the free 5*hero as being useless is the most disgusting imo because they expect igg to cater to them with a sever wide gift.. When anything that would be useful to then would be insanely rare since they're the top percentage of players which news flash does not mean you represent the mass I'm sure the thousands of lowbie players not in tournament top 1000 are beyond happy for a 5* And based off this thread post history and the same people complaining about losing gems are the same ones who knew how buggy it was yet still bet... This whole thing is beyond sad and this thread is disgustingly toxic for no real reason. Really?? Think about only 1 player who betted on the first elimination matches. No bug has been known at that time, and think just because of this, he lost xxx gem and now he cant take it back. instead, he has been forced to accept hydra. even if he wagered only 1 gem, he has right to take it back instead of what igg offered. in addition, i never betted and i dont care about hydra. A low lvl player who didnt invest more than 100 gem can celebrate this but a bigger wager ofcourse wont like this. are they same? Do you think them as similar?
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 22:48:37 GMT
Is it really gambling if you can just get your money back if you lose? No lol.
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Post by 50 cents on Apr 28, 2016 22:54:12 GMT
Just to add my 2 cents, and breaking down my post into a few sections
1. "Rake"
This is with regards to the amount of gems that IGG is taking from every wager. It is 50% of the gems wagered, as could be seen from the match between Kabia and Zenyx. Although this was transparent, it sours my view of the event from a great idea to a money grabbing attempt. Given that bookmakers (as someone mentioned earlier) take on average around 10% of bet, why does IGG have to take 50%? Why not make it 10%, and actually give people a reasonable chance to win gems? Given that as well, the way in which they calculated odds is by balancing the bets from either side, there is very little volatility/ variance, because if everyone bets the clear favourite, the odds go down to almost 1 i.e jaberou round 1. Although this was viewable from the get-go (and as many have pointed out you could not bet, which I agree with), someone at IGG had to derive the percentage of gems to be taken at 50%, and whether that was an oversight and misunderstanding of simply how much that would be taking, or pure greediness on their part I have no idea. I understand they need to make money, but 50% is daylight robbery in my eyes.
2. Glitches
I'm not so concerned about the glitches. Just like a football game, it simply adds uncertainty to the matches, and otherwise every game up to the finals simply would be predictable- I'd actually side with the non critics here- you can never be certain when you bet, and losing is a part of betting- glitches within the battles should be reflected in the pre match odds (In a perfect- ish market) some people should hope for weird glitches and bet on the underdog. What grinds my gears here is the relation to point number 1, that with IGG taking 50% of the gems, it is very obvious you are simply throwing money away by betting at all, given the results are so volatile. The point of betting in the GM cup should be for fun no? How can it be fun knowing that with every bet I am simply on average, throwing away 50% of the gems I bet- getting nothing in return.
3. Compensation
I'm happy with the 5* hero, as a new-ish player (lvl70) ! but I can understand why some are very annoyed. Let me break it down like this. You pay to get ahead of the fellow competition right? If DH give everyone something, then it becomes worthless since everyone gets the same boost. You also spent as was mentioned somewhere in the thread, 26k gems acquiring shards, and now everyone has it. Say for example, if DH gae all players 4 melded top tier cards- wouldn't it be a little bit of a slap in the face to those who had spent so much/ grinded for so long?
To conclude, I love DH, don't get me wrong- I've only played for a couple months, and It's my favourite mobile game ever to be honest. But this event sends bad signals from IGG. Given the rake, and the glitches making each match so volatile, I'd say its seriously clouded what could have been such an amazing event. If they'd of had live battles (so you can't see the result before you watch), less glitches and a betting system where I'm only on average losing a small amount of my gems each wager then this could have been an amazing event.
Just my opinions btw, and happy to discuss! Like God mentioned previously, You don't have to bet, and I'm more ashamed that they charge so much for us simply to bet that it becomes un-viable aside from claiming Spender rewards that it just simply ruined a lot of the fun that could've been had wagering.
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Post by tchex on Apr 28, 2016 22:54:39 GMT
Back onto the cup for a moment. Only 5 minutes until the final battle takes place, kiaba has not got great odds but I've staked a small percentage of my fortune on him because the payout is so high it's a risk I don't mind taking
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Post by Gallows Dodger on Apr 28, 2016 22:57:11 GMT
Damn this God guy on forum is like the new DianaTroy, trying to set the high score on posts. I actually had to block her. Nothing against her or anything she said, just her avatar is kinda disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 22:57:52 GMT
This was not even fair gambling. This is robbery because many ppl have a right to demand their gems back for the bets before any bug is known by pubkic, but they are forced to accept what igg decided and valued as compensation gift, which may be nothing compared to their losses. if this is not robbery, tell me what robbery is. Robbery is literally taking something that isn't yours. IGG took nothing from anyone. People willingly put their gems at risk, in order to potentially get more in return. That's how gambling works XD ok dude, i'll try one more time.. Ppl , not all of them(excluding who continuoed betting still) but some of them, also, risked their gems, before any bug is realized before the first elimination battles ,do we agree on this so far ? i hope so, so, literally, not giving an option to get their gems back for those players, although these bugs are igg's own fault, means robbery..
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 22:58:09 GMT
Damn this God guy on forum is like the new DianaTroy, trying to set the high score on posts. I actually had to block her. Nothing against her or anything she said, just her avatar is kinda disgusting. Party hard!
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 22:59:04 GMT
Robbery is literally taking something that isn't yours. IGG took nothing from anyone. People willingly put their gems at risk, in order to potentially get more in return. That's how gambling works XD ok dude, i'll try one more time.. Ppl , not all of them(excluding who continuoed betting still) but some of them, also, risked their gems, before any bug is realized before the first elimination battles ,do we agree on this so far ? i hope so, so, literally, not giving an option to get their gems back for those players, although these bugs are igg's own fault, means robbery.. No fam XD You can't jump from unfair gambling to robbery XD
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Post by Gallows Dodger on Apr 28, 2016 23:00:46 GMT
I actually had to block her. Nothing against her or anything she said, just her avatar is kinda disgusting. Party hard! If I press a button I can see her posts without having to look at a picture of a child smearing his faeces all over the place so that kinda works out.
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 23:01:26 GMT
Just to add my 2 cents, and breaking down my post into a few sections 1. "Rake" This is with regards to the amount of gems that IGG is taking from every wager. It is 50% of the gems wagered, as could be seen from the match between Kabia and Zenyx. Although this was transparent, it sours my view of the event from a great idea to a money grabbing attempt. Given that bookmakers (as someone mentioned earlier) take on average around 10% of bet, why does IGG have to take 50%? Why not make it 10%, and actually give people a reasonable chance to win gems? Given that as well, the way in which they calculated odds is by balancing the bets from either side, there is very little volatility/ variance, because if everyone bets the clear favourite, the odds go down to almost 1 i.e jaberou round 1. Although this was viewable from the get-go (and as many have pointed out you could not bet, which I agree with), someone at IGG had to derive the percentage of gems to be taken at 50%, and whether that was an oversight and misunderstanding of simply how much that would be taking, or pure greediness on their part I have no idea. I understand they need to make money, but 50% is daylight robbery in my eyes. 2. Glitches I'm not so concerned about the glitches. Just like a football game, it simply adds uncertainty to the matches, and otherwise every game up to the finals simply would be predictable- I'd actually side with the non critics here- you can never be certain when you bet, and losing is a part of betting- glitches within the battles should be reflected in the pre match odds (In a perfect- ish market) some people should hope for weird glitches and bet on the underdog. What grinds my gears here is the relation to point number 1, that with IGG taking 50% of the gems, it is very obvious you are simply throwing money away by betting at all, given the results are so volatile. The point of betting in the GM cup should be for fun no? How can it be fun knowing that with every bet I am simply on average, throwing away 50% of the gems I bet- getting nothing in return. 3. Compensation I'm happy with the 5* hero, as a new-ish player (lvl70) ! but I can understand why some are very annoyed. Let me break it down like this. You pay to get ahead of the fellow competition right? If DH give everyone something, then it becomes worthless since everyone gets the same boost. You also spent as was mentioned somewhere in the thread, 26k gems acquiring shards, and now everyone has it. Say for example, if DH gae all players 4 melded top tier cards- wouldn't it be a little bit of a slap in the face to those who had spent so much/ grinded for so long? To conclude, I love DH, don't get me wrong- I've only played for a couple months, and It's my favourite mobile game ever to be honest. But this event sends bad signals from IGG. Given the rake, and the glitches making each match so volatile, I'd say its seriously clouded what could have been such an amazing event. If they'd of had live battles (so you can't see the result before you watch), less glitches and a betting system where I'm only on average losing a small amount of my gems each wager then this could have been an amazing event. Just my opinions btw, and happy to discuss! Like God mentioned previously, You don't have to bet, and I'm more ashamed that they charge so much for us simply to bet that it becomes un-viable aside from claiming Spender rewards that it just simply ruined a lot of the fun that could've been had wagering. What does IGG want peoples' gems for? Or am I not understanding something?
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