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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Apr 25, 2016 12:11:22 GMT
For people who already know. Wow...
For the people who still don't know. Here it is.
When activated it deals (350 - 800 DMG (50 x level)) + (50%(+5% per level)) of damaged sustained(up to 1000 damage(+250 per level)) to all enemy Creatures, instantly killing those with less than (20% - 38% (2% x Level)) HP.
Did you know that blademaster's butcher's +% of total damage does not constitute to individual creatures damage. Instead, it totals the damage to ALL creatures then adding the % to the initial damage.
For example:
Creature A = Base HP 2000 =Current HP 1000 Creature B = Base HP 2000 =Current HP 1000 Creature C = Base HP 2000 =Current HP 1000
The total is 3000 missing HP.
level 1 3000 / .5(percentage addition to butcher) = 1500
level 1 butcher = 350 + 1500 = 1000 to all (because damage limit) killing creatures under 20% HP
Level 3 butcher = 450 + 1950 = 1500 to all (because damage limit) killing creatures under 24% HP
level 5 butcher = 550 +2250 = 2000 to all (because damage limit) killing creatures under 28% HP
level 7 butcher = 650 + 2550 = 2500 to all (because damage limit) killing creatures under 32% HP
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Post by NFS✪Grandfather on Apr 25, 2016 13:58:16 GMT
And im only on half way to get him 50/100...
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Apr 25, 2016 14:00:24 GMT
at level 3 the hero could clear the field if 1-2 cretures are critical.
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 25, 2016 17:55:18 GMT
I actually didn't know this. Lucifer is on point with them secret game mechanics ^~^
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Post by sqeee on Apr 25, 2016 18:08:58 GMT
He's awesome,have him on alt lvl 4 and today bought 7 shards to complete him on main.It's nice when you see how butcher can send 3-4 crits to graveyard and for me thats happen quite often.Of course not against top players decks but with higher levels anything can happen.Judg embrace is strong counter if it's cast before butcher.Soon will complete KQ and then uf...
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Post by scatterbrain on Apr 25, 2016 18:51:50 GMT
Thanks Harish, I think it was winter who got Bladey recently, though, not GG (As well as myself, I mean). I really like him but am still finding the right deck for him. Don't want to completely deconstruct my Wight deck to move all my best cards. He's at level 4 now, had a bit of an ore spend to get Sea Wizard shards as only needed a few to complete her.
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Post by sonbalin on Apr 25, 2016 20:43:33 GMT
Awesome info, definitely wasn't aware of this. Just made me re-evaluate Blademaster.
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 25, 2016 20:53:09 GMT
Blademaster = New Meta?
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Post by kswong on Apr 26, 2016 5:59:29 GMT
Thanks Lucifer for raising that, but I found something totally different in the dmg calculation (based on a battle replay around 10 days ago so it maybe already outdated)
Rules: 1. DMG dealt to each creature is the SAME 2. DMG is determined by the 1st creature should take. It doesn't matter at all how much max hp/current hp the 2nd to last creatures have. 3. Instakill effect determination is judged for each creature independently, based on their own current and max hp
- If DMG to them exceeds their current hp, they just take dmg = current hp -DMG calculations seems not at all revelant to the aggregate hp of all creatures
So the point is to hurt the 1st creature as much as possible
Real Example (as in the game replay I mentioned) My 1st creature: Horned Beast max hp: 1849 (after runes and buff) current hp: 382
opponent blademaster 5 (550dmg + 70% hp lost, capped 2000 dmg, instakill <28%) DMG to be dealt to Horned Beast = 550+(1849-382)*0.7 = 550 + 1026.9 = 1576.9 = 1577 (rounded to the nearest integer)
My Horned Beast took 382, 2 others took 1577 (1 got instakilled only) , 2 others took dmg = their current hp (less than 1577)
Edit: added example Edit2: typo 70% hp lost
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Post by kswong on Apr 26, 2016 6:04:11 GMT
The recent update also introduced same DMG to all creatures for pyre/incinerate effects as well
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Apr 26, 2016 6:43:22 GMT
The recent update also introduced same DMG to all creatures for pyre/incinerate effects as well Thank you for pointing that out, but i'm not really sure about the first creature rule, because I also did high damage to all even though I damaged the 2nd creature the most. So this may need more inputs and observation.
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Post by •JC•Herby on Apr 28, 2016 12:32:32 GMT
Played alot with BM and looks like the skills triggers every crit individual not by looking at the hp of the first.
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Post by komainu on Apr 28, 2016 23:00:41 GMT
on one of my alt accounts I got him and while being like ~30 I rolled over to map 10 with him easily.. Something my other hydra alts have yet to accomplish while now at a higher level already
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Post by Absoul on Apr 30, 2016 6:23:49 GMT
Mine is almost level 7 and sadly he's still kinda bad...
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Post by kswong on May 4, 2016 6:01:18 GMT
Thanks Lucifer for raising that, but I found something totally different in the dmg calculation (based on a battle replay around 10 days ago so it maybe already outdated)
Rules: 1. DMG dealt to each creature is the SAME 2. DMG is determined by the 1st creature should take. It doesn't matter at all how much max hp/current hp the 2nd to last creatures have. 3. Instakill effect determination is judged for each creature independently, based on their own current and max hp
- If DMG to them exceeds their current hp, they just take dmg = current hp -DMG calculations seems not at all revelant to the aggregate hp of all creatures
So the point is to hurt the 1st creature as much as possible
Real Example (as in the game replay I mentioned) My 1st creature: Horned Beast max hp: 1849 (after runes and buff) current hp: 382
opponent blademaster 5 (550dmg + 70% hp lost, capped 2000 dmg, instakill <28%) DMG to be dealt to Horned Beast = 550+(1849-382)*0.7 = 550 + 1026.9 = 1576.9 = 1577 (rounded to the nearest integer)
My Horned Beast took 382, 2 others took 1577 (1 got instakilled only) , 2 others took dmg = their current hp (less than 1577)
Confirmed this "First Creature Rule" today. Here's the game replay:
Turn 7 Creature 1: 1209/1674 (Flame brave getting hit at turn 5) Creature 2: 4312/4312 (Sac anathema with sac rune sac'ing creature 3) Creature 3: 311/1555 (Light Brave with rune +60hp)
Against Blademaster 4 (500dmg + 65% hp lost, capped 1750dmg, instakilled < 26%) DMG = 802, 802, 311 States = Instakilled, Alive, Took DMG & died
26% hp Threshold: 435, 1121, 404 HP before Threshold check: 407, 3510, 0
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The Math: DMG to be dealt to Creature 1 = 500 + 0.65 * (1674 - 1209) = 802.25
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Post by kswong on May 4, 2016 6:20:34 GMT
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Post by sonbalin on May 4, 2016 7:15:32 GMT
What happened to the other 5HP?
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on May 4, 2016 7:25:08 GMT
Yes, I can confirm too.. Same result with my maths
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Post by kswong on May 4, 2016 7:46:02 GMT
@ Sonbalin: The "5 HP" difference doesn't exist. It's because of the timing of doing screenshot while taking the 3rd picture. I had to react quickly enough to the real-time animation to do these screenshots.
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Post by zairto on Jun 18, 2016 3:33:12 GMT
Thanks Lucifer for raising that, but I found something totally different in the dmg calculation (based on a battle replay around 10 days ago so it maybe already outdated)
Rules: 1. DMG dealt to each creature is the SAME 2. DMG is determined by the 1st creature should take. It doesn't matter at all how much max hp/current hp the 2nd to last creatures have. 3. Instakill effect determination is judged for each creature independently, based on their own current and max hp
- If DMG to them exceeds their current hp, they just take dmg = current hp -DMG calculations seems not at all revelant to the aggregate hp of all creatures
So the point is to hurt the 1st creature as much as possible
Real Example (as in the game replay I mentioned) My 1st creature: Horned Beast max hp: 1849 (after runes and buff) current hp: 382
opponent blademaster 5 (550dmg + 70% hp lost, capped 2000 dmg, instakill <28%) DMG to be dealt to Horned Beast = 550+(1849-382)*0.7 = 550 + 1026.9 = 1576.9 = 1577 (rounded to the nearest integer)
My Horned Beast took 382, 2 others took 1577 (1 got instakilled only) , 2 others took dmg = their current hp (less than 1577)
Confirmed this "First Creature Rule" today. Here's the game replay:
Turn 7 Creature 1: 1209/1674 (Flame brave getting hit at turn 5) Creature 2: 4312/4312 (Sac anathema with sac rune sac'ing creature 3) Creature 3: 311/1555 (Light Brave with rune +60hp)
Against Blademaster 4 (500dmg + 65% hp lost, capped 1750dmg, instakilled < 26%) DMG = 802, 802, 311 States = Instakilled, Alive, Took DMG & died
26% hp Threshold: 435, 1121, 404 HP before Threshold check: 407, 3510, 0
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The Math: DMG to be dealt to Creature 1 = 500 + 0.65 * (1674 - 1209) = 802.25
You should be awarded a medal. Nice work, man! Does Butcher always works like this? Quite freak.
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Post by Yuna on Jun 18, 2016 4:05:47 GMT
This means that Butcher works quite well against most heroes... except Druidess, the one hero he needed to be able to counter to be useful. My Blademaster shall forever remain at level 1.
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Post by zairto on Jun 18, 2016 4:33:49 GMT
Wonder if it can instakill Aquarius
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Post by Yuna on Jun 18, 2016 4:44:40 GMT
Wonder if it can instakill Aquarius Most likely not. Only a select few skills that are unique can instakill Aquarius. No Direct Damage skill (as in "A lot of Direct Damage") can instakill Aquarius, only skills that inflict Direct Damage as after first doing something can do that.
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Post by zairto on Jun 18, 2016 5:01:59 GMT
Wonder if it can instakill Aquarius Most likely not. Only a select few skills that are unique can instakill Aquarius. No Direct Damage skill (as in "A lot of Direct Damage") can instakill Aquarius, only skills that inflict Direct Damage as after first doing something can do that. I mean the instakill effect of Butcher. Maybe it can prevent Hibernation
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Post by Yuna on Jun 18, 2016 5:16:36 GMT
Most likely not. Only a select few skills that are unique can instakill Aquarius. No Direct Damage skill (as in "A lot of Direct Damage") can instakill Aquarius, only skills that inflict Direct Damage as after first doing something can do that. I mean the instakill effect of Butcher. Maybe it can prevent Hibernation And what I meant was that similar skills do not, in fact, prevent Hibernation. Cull doesn't, for instance.
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Post by japoon on Jun 23, 2016 4:54:48 GMT
I think it should be error for calculating only first creature HP lost.
My observation is that not many people use it as their tournament hero.
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Post by Sinister22✪NFS on Jun 23, 2016 9:01:45 GMT
I think it should be error for calculating only first creature HP lost. My observation is that not many people use it as their tournament hero. I tried reporting this to support but they said the skill was working fine. I tried to explain but I guess their friggin English is medieval. Can't even understand the most basic of my explanation.
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