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Post by Yuna on Apr 28, 2016 8:33:31 GMT
I assume it's Graboid. But why does the Wikia recommend Stabthrough on Graboid, but not on Phantom Liege? Is it the lack of Stoneskin on Phantom Liege?
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 8:38:18 GMT
Phantom Liege just isn't a common hero kill creature lol. And it's way harder to farm for.
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Post by sblip on Apr 28, 2016 9:01:00 GMT
Phantom Liege is too expensive to put stabthrough on. If Sword Master were farmable it would be the best, i think, because of FA and Magi shield.. However it is not farmable, and graboid is and has pretty high base attack. Border Ranger is another common one to use, and one that I use myself in my raid deck; she has a pretty good attack at level 15 (base 623), BB2 (50% chance for 40% inc), and although not farmable you come across her fairly often. I personally use 2 graboids, 1 techno chief, 1 border ranger, and stabthrough dark witches.
Edit: in general graboid is probably considered the best because of how fast you can farm it and it's relatively high base atk
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Post by Yuna on Apr 28, 2016 9:14:36 GMT
I have enough Phantom Lieges to guarantee 2 stabthrough melds (on 2x Meld Day). Should I?
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Post by sblip on Apr 28, 2016 9:21:35 GMT
Please don't.. What are you trying to accomplish? For a Raid deck the cost is obviously going to be too high.. for a regular map deck played manually, how would it be more effective than using other sweeping blow crits + spirit sirens? And, on levels where the hero's health is 50k+, it won't help anyway?
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 9:25:17 GMT
Dude it's really not worth it lol.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Apr 28, 2016 9:33:04 GMT
Yuna dun need the leige on her main so why not...
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Post by sonbalin on Apr 28, 2016 10:13:04 GMT
Graboid is a superior Stab card, boasting higher attack, before you even factor in Ravage, and Stoneskin to make sure he makes it onto the board. Sure, Phantom Liege has a little more staying power power with Lifesap but you don't build a Stab deck around staying power, you build it around killing the enemy hero in a couple of turns. Did I mention Stoneskin? Seals is cool but you can just use a Siren for that, which has the massive added bonus of lowering the enemies rage with a Curse rune.
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Post by Yuna on Apr 28, 2016 10:17:50 GMT
Trying to plan a deck to take down the Hidden Dungeon of Map 13 on hard and other map quests that require you to kill the hero. Got it, will farm Graboids for 2x Meld Day. 2 Stabthrough Graboids + 1 FA Gorgon. Will that be enough or will I need to throw some Spirit Sirens/Gorgons in there? What should I meld onto Spirit Siren for this? Godwill or yet more Frost Armor?
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Post by ℜ★God on Apr 28, 2016 10:36:09 GMT
Stabthrough won't work on 13-12 unless you have an absolutely godlike deck.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 10:38:31 GMT
Trying to plan a deck to take down the Hidden Dungeon of Map 13 on hard and other map quests that require you to kill the hero. Got it, will farm Graboids for 2x Meld Day. 2 Stabthrough Graboids + 1 FA Gorgon. Will that be enough or will I need to throw some Spirit Sirens/Gorgons in there? What should I meld onto Spirit Siren for this? Godwill or yet more Frost Armor? If I remember correctly, you don't do 13-12 with stabthrough. You have to kill all creatures apart from Mmirs tree then let your creatures kill the hero slowly.
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Post by corvin on Apr 28, 2016 10:41:16 GMT
I think ash beast is a decent stab carrier. Because of unbound he will hit until his death.
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Post by kvasac on Apr 28, 2016 11:00:28 GMT
I think you should do it. Dude is whale, and obviously he has 10 lieges he doesn't need and doesn't plan to use in main 3 decks. You can make godlike herokill which might even prove useful in Tourney if some opponent has 2 too strong decks. At least do it for fun, yolo it. Who has stab liege? Be the first If I was you I would pump that hydra with berserk and warhungry and put in stabbers just to break some sort of stab record Edit: Asgarth said that he could take down hero with 70k health. So there's your challenge
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Post by sonbalin on Apr 28, 2016 11:00:54 GMT
Trying to plan a deck to take down the Hidden Dungeon of Map 13 on hard and other map quests that require you to kill the hero. Got it, will farm Graboids for 2x Meld Day. 2 Stabthrough Graboids + 1 FA Gorgon. Will that be enough or will I need to throw some Spirit Sirens/Gorgons in there? What should I meld onto Spirit Siren for this? Godwill or yet more Frost Armor? If I remember correctly, you don't do 13-12 with stabthrough. You have to kill all creatures apart from Mmirs tree then let your creatures kill the hero slowly. Yup, this method I used a day or two after they buffed Hero Vigor runes - I was just too late for Stab.
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Post by sonbalin on Apr 28, 2016 11:02:14 GMT
I think you should do it. Dude is whale, and obviously he has 10 lieges he doesn't need and doesn't plan to use in main 3 decks. You can make godlike herokill which might even prove useful in Tourney if some opponent has 2 too strong decks. At least do it for fun, yolo it. Who has stab liege? Be the first If I was you I would pump that hydra with berserk and warhungry and put in stabbers just to break some sort of stab record Wouldn't be the first, there have been a few Stab Lieges about...They were all done pre-stab-nerf though I'd guess, it's nowhere near as effective now.
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Post by kvasac on Apr 28, 2016 11:08:16 GMT
I think you should do it. Dude is whale, and obviously he has 10 lieges he doesn't need and doesn't plan to use in main 3 decks. You can make godlike herokill which might even prove useful in Tourney if some opponent has 2 too strong decks. At least do it for fun, yolo it. Who has stab liege? Be the first If I was you I would pump that hydra with berserk and warhungry and put in stabbers just to break some sort of stab record Wouldn't be the first, there have been a few Stab Lieges about...They were all done pre-stab-nerf though I'd guess, it's nowhere near as effective now. I would still do it in his shoes
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Post by Yuna on Apr 28, 2016 11:13:01 GMT
Trying to plan a deck to take down the Hidden Dungeon of Map 13 on hard and other map quests that require you to kill the hero. Got it, will farm Graboids for 2x Meld Day. 2 Stabthrough Graboids + 1 FA Gorgon. Will that be enough or will I need to throw some Spirit Sirens/Gorgons in there? What should I meld onto Spirit Siren for this? Godwill or yet more Frost Armor? If I remember correctly, you don't do 13-12 with stabthrough. You have to kill all creatures apart from Mmirs tree then let your creatures kill the hero slowly. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Now the problem is figuring out a deck that can kill everything besides Mimir's Tree...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 11:18:53 GMT
If I remember correctly, you don't do 13-12 with stabthrough. You have to kill all creatures apart from Mmirs tree then let your creatures kill the hero slowly. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Now the problem is figuring out a deck that can kill everything besides Mimir's Tree... You just need to put a frost armor card with cat atk under him - FA Oracle will do, or even a level 10 Sentry Angel - Those two can heal back what's lost. The rest of your deck should be easy to build, just avoid direct damagers like Taurus.
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Post by kvasac on Apr 28, 2016 14:30:06 GMT
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Now the problem is figuring out a deck that can kill everything besides Mimir's Tree... You just need to put a frost armor card with cat atk under him - FA Oracle will do, or even a level 10 Sentry Angel - Those two can heal back what's lost. The rest of your deck should be easy to build, just avoid direct damagers like Taurus. I think Horned beast is creature with "cat attack" on him.
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Post by sonbalin on Apr 28, 2016 14:43:09 GMT
You just need to put a frost armor card with cat atk under him - FA Oracle will do, or even a level 10 Sentry Angel - Those two can heal back what's lost. The rest of your deck should be easy to build, just avoid direct damagers like Taurus. I think Horned beast is creature with "cat attack" on him. Horned Beast is likely to get one-shotted too. Use something with FA.
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Post by fapuma90 on Apr 28, 2016 14:45:26 GMT
Other tactic for 13-12 hard that i used yesterday and accomplished it on 3rd try: try to keep a creature alive that is without immunity (as far as i remember there is at least 2, i chose archdeva) and put a retreat (for example qt) in front of her as my qt has high dodge and in addition i have divine shield and group tactics i managed to constantly retreat it without worrying about killing it accidentally with my other cards.
Next option: I know you have a really nice card base, probably you have taskmistress. You can easily put the enemy cards back to hand with it and keep on constantly stealing rage with qt and buff yours with some bless and you are done
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Post by kvasac on Apr 28, 2016 14:53:42 GMT
I think Horned beast is creature with "cat attack" on him. Horned Beast is likely to get one-shotted too. Use something with FA. I didn't mean the stats. I meant the picture
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Post by Yuna on Apr 28, 2016 17:08:29 GMT
Other tactic for 13-12 hard that i used yesterday and accomplished it on 3rd try: try to keep a creature alive that is without immunity (as far as i remember there is at least 2, i chose archdeva) and put a retreat (for example qt) in front of her as my qt has high dodge and in addition i have divine shield and group tactics i managed to constantly retreat it without worrying about killing it accidentally with my other cards. Next option: I know you have a really nice card base, probably you have taskmistress. You can easily put the enemy cards back to hand with it and keep on constantly stealing rage with qt and buff yours with some bless and you are done I totally forgot about my level 4 (or 5, I can't remember) Taskmistress as I haven't used her for a while now. Thanks for reminding me!
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Post by asgarth1980 on Apr 29, 2016 6:20:07 GMT
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Now the problem is figuring out a deck that can kill everything besides Mimir's Tree... You just need to put a frost armor card with cat atk under him - FA Oracle will do, or even a level 10 Sentry Angel - Those two can heal back what's lost. The rest of your deck should be easy to build, just avoid direct damagers like Taurus. tot yna have a revive snow Harlot... That is the best candidate...
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Post by smash00 on May 7, 2016 10:37:37 GMT
I have enough Phantom Lieges to guarantee 2 stabthrough melds (on 2x Meld Day). Should I? Please do 2 stab melds. It is worth it.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 11:00:38 GMT
Meld sthg different than stab on your Lieges. Stab deck is needed for some maps but it loses its effectiveness both on maps and in tourney ...dont waste Lieges for stab. You can even try fantasy melds like tempest or warlust or even sneak but why stab? You wont be using stab so much..
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Post by myzteryahu on May 7, 2016 12:50:44 GMT
I think you should do it. Dude is whale, and obviously he has 10 lieges he doesn't need and doesn't plan to use in main 3 decks. You can make godlike herokill which might even prove useful in Tourney if some opponent has 2 too strong decks. At least do it for fun, yolo it. Who has stab liege? Be the first If I was you I would pump that hydra with berserk and warhungry and put in stabbers just to break some sort of stab record Wouldn't be the first, there have been a few Stab Lieges about...They were all done pre-stab-nerf though I'd guess, it's nowhere near as effective now. could you elaborate on the pre-stab Nerf wasn't here before the Nerf
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Post by Yuna on May 7, 2016 14:44:52 GMT
I have enough Phantom Lieges to guarantee 2 stabthrough melds (on 2x Meld Day). Should I? Please do 2 stab melds. It is worth it. Did earlier today. 1st attempt succeded on 2 tries. 2nd attempt succeded on the 1st try. I now own 2 Stab6 Phantom Lieges. Violence Rune V, here I come!
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Post by sonbalin on May 7, 2016 15:47:52 GMT
Wouldn't be the first, there have been a few Stab Lieges about...They were all done pre-stab-nerf though I'd guess, it's nowhere near as effective now. could you elaborate on the pre-stab Nerf wasn't here before the Nerf Stabthrough runes weren't capped at 1k/hit and Hero Vigor runes were 10x less powerful - I.e A Hero Vigor V rune used to give 1k HP/level instead of 10k HP/level. Edit - Curse and Bless weren't capped at 1k each either. Maybe some more stuff I'm forgetting.
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Post by icezaius on May 12, 2016 1:23:16 GMT
How does it work if you've got stabthrough on Twins? Does it stabthrough twice?
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