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Post by lezaleas on May 3, 2016 18:34:10 GMT
I'm about to meld my first harbinger and light brave, and I'm not sure if i want to go disposal or instakill. I already have gorgon and 3 balts, and i plan to use them mostly on a wight disposal tourney rank 7000 deck, which means they'll get revived a lot and might waste disposal against an empty hand. I'd love to hear some opinions.
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Post by sblip on May 3, 2016 19:42:38 GMT
If you aren't going to put recycle on either of them, I feel like in a tourney deck instakill/disposal isn't going to make much of a difference.. since you aren't playing manually, you can't control if you play an instakill when no creatures are on the board / hits a stoneskin, or a disposal against an empty hand / stoneskin.
That being said, I'm slightly more a fan of Disposal simply because it negates rebirth. Keep in mind that as you get higher and higher in level, you are going to be facing more and more immunity crits, and they will become less and less useful.
Sure you don't want to put recycle on them?
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Post by ℜ★God on May 3, 2016 20:13:19 GMT
Don't go for a Disposal/Instakill PvP deck. It's a waste of time in the long run.
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Post by lezaleas on May 3, 2016 20:54:15 GMT
Don't go for a Disposal/Instakill PvP deck. It's a waste of time in the long run. What should i meld on them then? I have 2 rec hb abd 3rd thalassa will take months. Keep in mind Im only lvl 65, my decks using crap like unmelded griffi kinight, harbinger, and cyclops, so for 200 eneegy in chambers they are a big big upgrade. They surely would pay for themselves in token mall/energy ratio.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 3, 2016 20:59:28 GMT
Get a third recycle and put it on one of them. A Rec 1 HB + Harbinger duo is really solid. Healing Breath and Resurrect are also nice options.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 3, 2016 21:04:47 GMT
If you're hellbent on making a Disposal/Instakill deck, meld Disposal onto some Hellwolves.
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Post by sblip on May 3, 2016 21:28:11 GMT
Or use the hellwolves to unseal Death's Angel. instakill + disposal + rebirth + no melding needed.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 3, 2016 21:32:13 GMT
Disposal Hellwolves are much better. They cost way less (only 15 when evo'd), they're cheaper to meld, and they boost your Mortiis' ATK. I'd never run a Death's Angel in my deck, ever. His cost/effectiveness ratio is just too awful.
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Post by lezaleas on May 3, 2016 22:29:26 GMT
Already have death's angel, but i dont get many hwolfs in my guild. Im melding the harbinger and lb since i have the spare copies, most of my energy goes into thalassa so i work with what i get. At least the tourney decks are so bad i dont run into cost problems. I'm also working on graboids an twins for a decent neander deck, but that'll take a few months too
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Post by ℜ★God on May 3, 2016 22:32:33 GMT
Haha, you don't run into cost problems NOW because you're only level 65. But just you wait man. When you get to high levels, and you have some badass cards, you'll be struggling to fit them into your deck, because cost is annoying.
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Post by tchex on May 3, 2016 23:02:16 GMT
The older cards were not too bad on costs, like dahlia is only cost 17!! which is really quite hugely undercosted for how good that card is.
Now the big cards are in the 20s so there are harder decisions to make at the higher levels, but at least queen temptress is dirt cheap so it gives space for hard hitters.
On the subject, go with instant kill - it will be really useful getting you through explore maps and raids, plus with soul swap rune and dodge (if you win the jackpot of life to get one) he will be quite a solid card in general. Disposal will be harder to come by at your level, but there is often instant kill available.
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Post by komainu on May 3, 2016 23:31:22 GMT
insta kill / disposal harbringer + balrog...
Whenever you encounter a freakazoid in gauntlet and you have issues killing the deck.. let rage build to full.. pop out the disposal/insta kill and poof one less card in the deck to worry about.. This is how I tackled an oceanus 3x horned beast recycle and pontiff revive deck today.. Tho in hindsight spiky bits and a flame brave clone would've accomplished the same..
What I mean is.. A melded harbringer will always have use in some situation.. But I do suggest insta kill as it's easier to come by from the cyclopse.. And as god suggested dispossal fits better on other creatures like hellwolf.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 3, 2016 23:52:54 GMT
Disposal is better.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 3, 2016 23:55:45 GMT
Death's Angel blows Disposal Hellwolf away at low levels when no one has many Paragons.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 4, 2016 0:06:29 GMT
Disposal Harb,LB, Wolf and Royal Dragons are all pretty good from lvl 65 until the upper 80s.
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Post by sblip on May 4, 2016 0:43:43 GMT
Death's Angel blows Disposal Hellwolf away at low levels when no one has many Paragons. This is my take. It's useless at high levels, for sure.. but when you're openents are max lvl 80, you're typically dealing with way less immunes. Also, and this may vary for your guild, hellwolf can be extremely slow to get, and at only 5 possible shards to farm a day, you usually end up with max 5 a week from that (if you aren't using gems to refresh)
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Post by ℜ★God on May 4, 2016 1:30:13 GMT
You also get Hellwolf shards for killing creatures in GMs.
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Post by kswong on May 4, 2016 3:37:03 GMT
Disposal Harb,LB, Wolf and Royal Dragons are all pretty good from lvl 65 until the upper 80s. Exactly. Disposal much better than instakill.
I manual play a lot in the game. Currently lv 95 and rank ~250 in tourney. From my own experience, disposal is very good against rebirths and disposal/instakill creatures.
My stuff: Disposal melded: 2 Harbinger, 2 Light Brave, 2 Royal Dragon, 1 Twins, 1 Undying Will, unmelded gorgon Instakills: 1 Harbinger, many Hellwolf/Cyclops all at lv0 No revives/recycle 2
In tourney 95% of the time I used Disposals to take down opponents who are somewhat exposed to diposals. With many of them having multiple disposals/instakills/rebirth creatures or hero skills. Works well for me. Disposals eat these all day.
Instakill Harbringer is fine but often sits on the bench.
In manual plays Disposals works much better than instakill in these situations: 1) Gauntlet: disposal + Balrog effect worth to be mentioned 2) Explorer's map 3) Chambers 1 & 3 to psuedo auto
Disposals probably see more use than instakills because you already eat a dude and its comes-into-play effects can't be used. Whereas instakills could kill a dude with 1 hp leftover and it's RANDOM target.
Disadvantage for disposals? Yes, it could help opponent revive. Advantage for instakills? Yes, it could deal with summoned creatures & clones.
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