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Post by sblip on May 6, 2016 0:59:25 GMT
nah man. too much immunity at higher lvls, especially for auto-play / tourney
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Post by ℜ★God on May 6, 2016 1:13:47 GMT
I don't think a single person in my arena runs Disposal or Instakill creatures lol.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 6, 2016 1:42:26 GMT
Weird. I wouldn't expect many level 90s to even be running more than 350/1000% immunity.
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Post by sblip on May 6, 2016 1:44:54 GMT
there is a lot of immunity and a lot of stoneskin, at least in my arena. Will check some exact numbers.. but if you count stoneskin as 100% (just for the sake of disposal/instakill discussion), I feel like the average is somewhere well above 500/1000
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Post by sonbalin on May 6, 2016 1:52:45 GMT
Using Jaegy's method, and counting Stoneskin as 100%, I'm at 770% at level 90.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 6, 2016 1:56:55 GMT
60% of my deck has Immunity or Stoneskin. It will soon be 90%, once I get Immunity 9 onto my Paragon, Sea Wizard, and Pontiff.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 6, 2016 1:58:52 GMT
60% has immunity 5? 770% is awesome.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 6, 2016 2:02:47 GMT
I'm slacking pretty bad at 400%. Revive Balth and FA Paragon don't help
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Post by sonbalin on May 6, 2016 2:03:25 GMT
60% of my deck has Immunity or Stoneskin. It will soon be 90%, once I get Immunity 9 onto my Paragon, Sea Wizard, and Pontiff. Yeah I'm working on another I9 meld to replace something, a Sac Anathema to replace my Pit Dragon and I've also got a paragon at 90% expertise for I10 using the Cancer I got during the old Gauntlet/Trials events. My problem is I won't be able to fit them all in anytime soon due to cost restrictions. One question though - How the heck are you getting 900/1000 Immunity if you use a Harb Recycle? That'd mean all other cards would be I10 or Stoneskin. Edit - kinda misread your post, thinking you meant 900/1000 Immunity, not 9 cards having some form of Immunity or Stoneskin.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 6, 2016 2:06:47 GMT
I think he's just counting the number of creatures. 6 out of 9 of mine have immunity but I'm only at 40% average.
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Post by sblip on May 6, 2016 2:10:10 GMT
may have missed some calculations, but currently in my arena: 1 550% 0 disposal cards 2 520% 0 disposal 3 650% 0 disposal 4 610% 0 disposal 5 590% 0 disposal 6 500% 0 disposal 7 380% 0 disposal 8 440% 0 disposal 9 430% 0 disposal 10 510% 3 disposal
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Post by ℜ★God on May 6, 2016 2:11:19 GMT
60% of my deck has Immunity or Stoneskin. It will soon be 90%, once I get Immunity 9 onto my Paragon, Sea Wizard, and Pontiff. Yeah I'm working on another I9 meld to replace something, a Sac Anathema to replace my Pit Dragon and I've also got a paragon at 90% expertise for I10 using the Cancer I got during the old Gauntlet/Trials events. My problem is I won't be able to fit them all in anytime soon due to cost restrictions. One question though - How the heck are you getting 900/1000 Immunity if you use a Harb Recycle? That'd mean all other cards would be I10 or Stoneskin. Edit - kinda misread your post, thinking you meant 900/1000 Immunity, not 9 cards having some form of Immunity or Stoneskin. Sea Wizard - Will soon meld I9 onto her. Valkyrie - Immunity 7, going to eventually get replaced by an Immunity 9 Angel Prime Horned Beast - Immunity 7 Ridge Hunter - Immunity 9 Nidhogg - Stoneskin Graboid - Stoneskin Queen Temptress - Immunity 5 Paragon - Will meld I9 onto her. Eventually. Pontiff - I'm going to put I9 onto him, but he'll be replaced as soon as I have enough cost for my Sac 8 Anathema (which is currently at 75% >_>). Harbinger - Obviously he doesn't have any protection. So 480/1000 currently, according to how you guys are classifying your decks. Once everything gets to where I want it, it'll be at 690%.
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Post by sblip on May 6, 2016 2:13:20 GMT
I'm only sitting at 320% with my main arena deck I also probably need to redo my decks entirely with all the stuff I kind of got at the same time. (KQ,MD,DL, ..)
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Post by sblip on May 6, 2016 2:15:13 GMT
Yeah I'm working on another I9 meld to replace something, a Sac Anathema to replace my Pit Dragon and I've also got a paragon at 90% expertise for I10 using the Cancer I got during the old Gauntlet/Trials events. My problem is I won't be able to fit them all in anytime soon due to cost restrictions. One question though - How the heck are you getting 900/1000 Immunity if you use a Harb Recycle? That'd mean all other cards would be I10 or Stoneskin. Edit - kinda misread your post, thinking you meant 900/1000 Immunity, not 9 cards having some form of Immunity or Stoneskin. Sea Wizard - Will soon meld I9 onto her. Valkyrie - Immunity 7, going to eventually get replaced by an Immunity 9 Angel Prime Horned Beast - Immunity 7 Ridge Hunter - Immunity 9 Nidhogg - Stoneskin Graboid - Stoneskin Queen Temptress - Immunity 5 Paragon - Will meld I9 onto her. Eventually. Pontiff - I'm going to put I9 onto him, but he'll be replaced as soon as I have enough cost for my Sac 8 Anathema (which is currently at 75% >_>). Harbinger - Obviously he doesn't have any protection. So 480/1000 currently, according to how you guys are classifying your decks. Once everything gets to where I want it, it'll be at 690%. What are your arena and tourney ranks? (I realize tourney rank is not remotely dependent on just your main deck, just curious)
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 6, 2016 2:15:27 GMT
Wasn't expecting that. I think you guys have more immunity on average than level 100s.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 6, 2016 2:18:06 GMT
Sea Wizard - Will soon meld I9 onto her. Valkyrie - Immunity 7, going to eventually get replaced by an Immunity 9 Angel Prime Horned Beast - Immunity 7 Ridge Hunter - Immunity 9 Nidhogg - Stoneskin Graboid - Stoneskin Queen Temptress - Immunity 5 Paragon - Will meld I9 onto her. Eventually. Pontiff - I'm going to put I9 onto him, but he'll be replaced as soon as I have enough cost for my Sac 8 Anathema (which is currently at 75% >_>). Harbinger - Obviously he doesn't have any protection. So 480/1000 currently, according to how you guys are classifying your decks. Once everything gets to where I want it, it'll be at 690%. What are your arena and tourney ranks? (I realize tourney rank is not remotely dependent on just your main deck, just curious) I've gotten to 1st in my arena before, but now everyone has Tauruses and Aquariuses all of a sudden, so I just sit at anywhere from 20th to 30th now. And I normally hover anywhere from 900 to 1500 in Tourney, depending on whether or not I feel like using my tries that day XD
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Post by ℜ★God on May 6, 2016 2:18:51 GMT
Wasn't expecting that. I think you guys have more immunity on average than level 100s. That makes me feel all warm inside ^~^
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Post by sonbalin on May 6, 2016 2:23:35 GMT
Wasn't expecting that. I think you guys have more immunity on average than level 100s. I think Immunity dips slightly at higher levels due to stuff like Taurus and Aquarius...As great as Immunity would be on stuff like that, they more than make up for it in other areas.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 6, 2016 2:28:26 GMT
Agreed.
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Post by dhinstructables on May 6, 2016 11:54:57 GMT
Does this mean that we are all friends again and agree that different cards/skills are needed at different levels in the game?
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 7, 2016 4:03:26 GMT
Maybe but I'm not sold that's the case in this instance. I went the 1 and 1 route with HB and Pontiff but as soon as I got my 3rd recycle I used 2 HB and it worked way better.
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Post by sblip on May 7, 2016 22:00:56 GMT
In the spirit of continuing to hijack (a now old) thread), I feel I should update.. After quite a bit of thought, I decided to up the immunity of my deck by quite a bit. First thing was adding 2nd HB, and I'm now running with 2 Fafnir's in my main. My current immunity is 450/1000 (with 0 stoneskins) in a 9 card deck; and it has helped IMMENSELY in Arena. Previously I had made it to rank 10 with the cheap trick of fighting peeps while they were doing sky arena / raids and had low powered decks, but alas that was not sustainable and I fell back to the 60's or so (I have been sitting around rank 80 for a cpl months). The only crits in my main without immunity now are Paragon, Sea wizard, and killer queen... and when they go down quick to Overlord/Armageddon, (well, Paragon mostly), I usually lose. However, without using cheap trickery, I am sustaining myself in the 30's rank now, and beating much higher lvl players than myself. Jaegy you were right .. outside of the top 10-20, a lot of disposal is still going on, and my deck nullifies most of that. It's not even optimized, I can probably do better (although Arena isn't important to me. I just wanted the gems =D ) Anywho, immunity for the win, and my #1 goal now is to get i9 on Paragon (going to take me forever).
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Post by barleylime on May 8, 2016 0:48:51 GMT
In the spirit of continuing to hijack (a now old) thread), I feel I should update.. After quite a bit of thought, I decided to up the immunity of my deck by quite a bit. First thing was adding 2nd HB, and I'm now running with 2 Fafnir's in my main. My current immunity is 450/1000 (with 0 stoneskins) in a 9 card deck; and it has helped IMMENSELY in Arena. Previously I had made it to rank 10 with the cheap trick of fighting peeps while they were doing sky arena / raids and had low powered decks, but alas that was not sustainable and I fell back to the 60's or so (I have been sitting around rank 80 for a cpl months). The only crits in my main without immunity now are Paragon, Sea wizard, and killer queen... and when they go down quick to Overlord/Armageddon, (well, Paragon mostly), I usually lose. However, without using cheap trickery, I am sustaining myself in the 30's rank now, and beating much higher lvl players than myself. Jaegy you were right .. outside of the top 10-20, a lot of disposal is still going on, and my deck nullifies most of that. It's not even optimized, I can probably do better (although Arena isn't important to me. I just wanted the gems =D ) Anywho, immunity for the win, and my #1 goal now is to get i9 on Paragon (going to take me forever). Why immunity and not stoneskin creatures?
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Post by sblip on May 8, 2016 3:16:11 GMT
I just don't have any in my main right now. Not enough copies to meld an Anathema or Terror Dragon yet, and I like my Fafnirs better than my FA or sac8 Graboid.. though i might try replacing sea wizard or killer queen with one of them, and see how it goes.. I guess I could take Mythril Drone in and out depending on what I'm facing, maybe put Ana or TD in..
Paragon isn't going anywhere, So she'll just have to get lucky. I could up the total to 650/900 though.. (previous post i said out of 1000, i meant 900. 9 card deck.)
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Post by sonbalin on May 8, 2016 7:20:52 GMT
See! We're not just making it up that Immunity is better than Rebirth. I moved my own Recycle from SM to Horned Beast ages ago, when I only had 2 Recycles, and never looked back. I'd never recommend putting Recycle onto a card without Immunity or Stoneskin to anyone now, unless it's a temporary measure until they farm a card with one of those skills.
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Post by sblip on May 9, 2016 2:50:30 GMT
I also just beat Trials lvl 90 for the first time after the switch. And this is with Judgement as a hero. Wish I would have gone for Armageddon instead of sea wizard + MD first, but it is what it is, and he's not entirely bad.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 9, 2016 3:22:22 GMT
I love my Armageddon. And my Sea Wizard. And my.. oh, I don't have a Drone yet. I'll get one eventually >_>
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Post by sblip on May 9, 2016 3:37:30 GMT
I'd have him (or would more quickly) if i hadn't quit doing the first chest of the gem mine everyday, to save up for bond. I hope it ends up being worth it..
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Post by ℜ★God on May 9, 2016 3:39:37 GMT
I'm not patient enough to save up for Alice Bond.
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Post by dhinstructables on May 9, 2016 12:29:14 GMT
I also just beat Trials lvl 90 for the first time after the switch. And this is with Judgement as a hero. Wish I would have gone for Armageddon instead of sea wizard + MD first, but it is what it is, and he's not entirely bad. Congrats! Maybe it's completely unrelated, however with my Recycle HB and Recycle Harb I beat Trials Lv90 with Wight (lv 7).
As a sidenote, a Recycle Swordmaster is not even close to being in the same comparison as a Recycle Rebirther. If you are trying to compare those two, they are different. Finally I would also like to mention for those that never used a Recycle HB/Recycle Rebirth and are trying to speculate how bad it would work -- some of us are speaking from our own experiences of using these combinations, not just trying to theorize all of the possibilities.
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