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Post by buscetto on Nov 30, 2016 15:58:56 GMT
Why? I can use them with Jugement too. And what about bless Royal Dragon or Dodge Devotee? Can they replace any Oracle? because they will freeze without warlock and can't heal your hero...
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Post by butte on Dec 2, 2016 13:13:07 GMT
My current solution: Hero lvl 1 and no specific talents - Heal Amplify Rune IV level 5 - Initial Rage V level 5 - Hero Vigor V level 8 4 Immunity7-Oracle 4 Unbound-Oracle 2 FA-Oracle - Bless Rune II level 8 At first i place only one oracle, after that i can skip the fight. If the first oracle survives in round 1 and the instakill-creature doestn´t kill any oracle (i need a little bit luck that the computer focus on one of my Immunity-Oracle), i will win because Royal Guard will trigger every round. (If the instakill-creature is on his hand in his first round, it is nearly an automatic win. I need about 4-5 trys for one win, but i think it is worth it and i don´t have a better solution without paying money.
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Post by barleylime on Dec 2, 2016 13:30:41 GMT
My current solution: Hero lvl 1 and no specific talents - Heal Amplify Rune IV level 5 - Initial Rage V level 5 - Hero Vigor V level 8 4 Immunity7-Oracle 4 Unbound-Oracle 2 FA-Oracle - Bless Rune II level 8 At first i place only one oracle, after that i can skip the fight. If the first oracle survives in round 1 and the instakill-creature doestn´t kill any oracle (i need a little bit luck that the computer focus on one of my Immunity-Oracle), i will win because Royal Guard will trigger every round. (If the instakill-creature is on his hand in his first round, it is nearly an automatic win. I need about 4-5 trys for one win, but i think it is worth it and i don´t have a better solution without paying money. Wow... is this for Level 5 Grimoire battle? I might just copy your deck.... 10 Oracles. Are they all melded with Frost Armor or you have different melds? The Oracles can survive the Chainstrike?
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Post by butte on Dec 2, 2016 13:36:01 GMT
Yes, Grimoire Level 5. Did you read my description? 4 Immunity7-Oracle 4 Unbound-Oracle 2 FA-Oracle Chainstrike will be defeated from Royal Guard. Sorry for my english, i´m not proud of it
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Post by barleylime on Dec 2, 2016 13:45:16 GMT
Yes, Grimoire Level 5. Did you read my description? 4 Immunity7-Oracle 4 Unbound-Oracle 2 FA-Oracle Chainstrike will be defeated from Royal Guard. Sorry for my english, i´m not proud of it Ah... I didn't read your deck build. I skipped straight to the Play about how you layout your deck. So... your Hero don't equip any All Vigor or Human Vigor rune? Your creatures don't equip any other rune besides Bless rune? Is all your Oracles equip Bless or only some Oracles?
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Post by butte on Dec 2, 2016 13:55:48 GMT
Yes, Grimoire Level 5. Did you read my description? 4 Immunity7-Oracle 4 Unbound-Oracle 2 FA-Oracle Chainstrike will be defeated from Royal Guard. Sorry for my english, i´m not proud of it Ah... I didn't read your deck build. I skipped straight to the Play about how you layout your deck. So... your Hero don't equip any All Vigor or Human Vigor rune? Your creatures don't equip any other rune besides Bless rune? Is all your Oracles equip Bless or only some Oracles? I have got Human Vigor V Level 6 but it isn´t really neceassary. No All Vigor Rune. Every Oracle has got a Bless Rune level 8. There is no need for other Runes. (All my Oracles have got some crap Runes (FA = Protean I Level 1, Immunity = Violence I Level 1 etc) in order to recognize them without tapping on them)
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Post by barleylime on Dec 3, 2016 1:46:38 GMT
Ah... I didn't read your deck build. I skipped straight to the Play about how you layout your deck. So... your Hero don't equip any All Vigor or Human Vigor rune? Your creatures don't equip any other rune besides Bless rune? Is all your Oracles equip Bless or only some Oracles? I have got Human Vigor V Level 6 but it isn´t really neceassary. No All Vigor Rune. Every Oracle has got a Bless Rune level 8. There is no need for other Runes. (All my Oracles have got some crap Runes (FA = Protean I Level 1, Immunity = Violence I Level 1 etc) in order to recognize them without tapping on them) So, for this Grimoire, looks like Royal Guard is the answer. Why do you meld a mix of FA, Immunity and Unbound? Would it work if you just have 1 type of meld for all 10 Oracles? - If I have all FA melds, then my Oracles could be frozen and not able to Bless Royal Guard. Hence Royal Guard might not trigger the Skill for 1 turn? - If I have all Immunity or Unbound, then my Oracles can avoid being Frozen and then Bless Royal Guard, but might die from physical attack? Is the Sage Advice from all the HP buff enough to counter physical attack?
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Post by SirGin on Dec 3, 2016 4:35:20 GMT
I have got Human Vigor V Level 6 but it isn´t really neceassary. No All Vigor Rune. Every Oracle has got a Bless Rune level 8. There is no need for other Runes. (All my Oracles have got some crap Runes (FA = Protean I Level 1, Immunity = Violence I Level 1 etc) in order to recognize them without tapping on them) So, for this Grimoire, looks like Royal Guard is the answer. Why do you meld a mix of FA, Immunity and Unbound? Would it work if you just have 1 type of meld for all 10 Oracles? - If I have all FA melds, then my Oracles could be frozen and not able to Bless Royal Guard. Hence Royal Guard might not trigger the Skill for 1 turn? - If I have all Immunity or Unbound, then my Oracles can avoid being Frozen and then Bless Royal Guard, but might die from physical attack? Is the Sage Advice from all the HP buff enough to counter physical attack? OMG... I thought I was done farming oracles. Sigh... Anyway, I am also very interested to know why your oracles are melded like that. I also see the appeal of Royal Guard. Very interesting.
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Post by butte on Dec 4, 2016 20:57:09 GMT
My guild always says i´m crazy because of all my oracles... I farm them every day since it is possible for me I´ve got some more Immunity/FA/Unbound-oracles but this mix seems to be the best way for me. More Immunity could prevent to much damage from magic and sometimes royal guard will not trigger every round at the beginning of the fight. Some FA-Oracles are nice to have at the beginning. The first oracle must survive and FA has got the best outlooks against most enemy-cards. More of them could cause problems with freezing and too little hero-heal. Unbound is perfect for every round but to fragile to play in the first round.
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Post by barleylime on Dec 5, 2016 4:32:13 GMT
My guild always says i´m crazy because of all my oracles... I farm them every day since it is possible for me I´ve got some more Immunity/FA/Unbound-oracles but this mix seems to be the best way for me. More Immunity could prevent to much damage from magic and sometimes royal guard will not trigger every round at the beginning of the fight. Some FA-Oracles are nice to have at the beginning. The first oracle must survive and FA has got the best outlooks against most enemy-cards. More of them could cause problems with freezing and too little hero-heal. Unbound is perfect for every round but to fragile to play in the first round. Thanks for the info.
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Post by MaxStar✪NFS on Dec 5, 2016 7:41:50 GMT
Nice solution...
One Dragonlord will do the trick for first creature...
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Post by 1501✪NFS on Dec 5, 2016 13:17:49 GMT
good job butteIt is awesome.
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Post by nowar on Dec 6, 2016 3:45:23 GMT
Hi Guys, It's really interesting that butte found a different solution otherthan Judgement setup. What is the Royal Gard skill level requirement for this? BTW I tried to compare both tricks and it seems butte's technic is good is you already have so many oracles. Otherwise, we could try with Judgement with mixture of cards as shown in that youtube video. In this case, we could get away with melded 5-6 oracles and some other bless cards. First I will try with Judgement setup, as I only have 3 melded oracles now. I still need to meld 2 more. Thanks for the information
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Post by cozy on Dec 6, 2016 15:18:57 GMT
Hi Guys, It's really interesting that butte found a different solution otherthan Judgement setup. What is the Royal Gard skill level requirement for this? BTW I tried to compare both tricks and it seems butte's technic is good is you already have so many oracles. Otherwise, we could try with Judgement with mixture of cards as shown in that youtube video. In this case, we could get away with melded 5-6 oracles and some other bless cards. First I will try with Judgement setup, as I only have 3 melded oracles now. I still need to meld 2 more. Thanks for the information I believe Royal guard lvl 1 is fine. What matters is that you heal enough so that you can take enough damage to trigger power again. I tried to get Royal guard working once but didn't have enough immunity/unbound to keep up healing+protect.
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Post by nowar on Dec 7, 2016 3:02:17 GMT
Yes cozy, This seems little hard as it required 10 melded oracles.
BTW I suspect whether we could do it without 10 oracles like the same way we do with Judgement. Can we mix with other cards like Bless SM, Bless Royal Dragons, Bless Serap etc...
I haven't tried it yet, is there anyone here already tried such an alternative setup?
By looking at the both setups, I have a feeling that this might work as well with enough HP buffs What do you guys think about that?
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Post by cozy on Dec 7, 2016 4:58:00 GMT
I'm working on an alternate but still a ways off. Hope to use a bless hb, bless or mass heal seraph, and maybe others. I would have to check the math on hero dmg per turn to see if every creature needs bless...
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Post by Nafai✪APeXNFS on Dec 7, 2016 8:19:48 GMT
I'm working on an alternate but still a ways off. Hope to use a bless hb, bless or mass heal seraph, and maybe others. I would have to check the math on hero dmg per turn to see if every creature needs bless... HB would be too fragile for it. I think at least 8 bless creatures are needed and you need also creatures which increase base hp - Oracle, Seraph are good for humans, for faens it could be dragonlords, bless Ash Beasts... alternative could be bless Frost Ragers.
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Post by kotta on Dec 7, 2016 10:29:01 GMT
Could this deck work? Predator + 9 bless henriettas + 1dragonlord (in front of the chainstriker).The idea is to give the boar an huge hp buff. In addition, cleanse removes all lockdown and rip effects, so every round all henriettas can heal the boar. I have many henriettas from guild, would be easier to meld than oracles.
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Post by BlackTone on Dec 7, 2016 20:36:41 GMT
My current solution: Hero lvl 1 and no specific talents - Heal Amplify Rune IV level 5 - Initial Rage V level 5 - Hero Vigor V level 8 Any idea how critical is the boost from hero Heal IV Rune? I definitely have never seen one and getting the level 3 heal rune to a comparable level is going to be a pain. Also, how much bonus does Heal IV give?
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Post by SirGin on Dec 7, 2016 23:05:12 GMT
My current solution: Hero lvl 1 and no specific talents - Heal Amplify Rune IV level 5 - Initial Rage V level 5 - Hero Vigor V level 8 Any idea how critical is the boost from hero Heal IV Rune? I definitely have never seen one and getting the level 3 heal rune to a comparable level is going to be a pain. Also, how much bonus does Heal IV give? Heal Amp IV maxes @ 150. 15 points per level. @ lvl 5 it only heals for an extra 75 hp's. Heal amp III @ lvl 8 heals for an extra 72 hp's. Lvl 8 isn't too hard to achieve.
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Post by barleylime on Dec 10, 2016 14:46:36 GMT
Could this deck work? Predator + 9 bless henriettas + 1dragonlord (in front of the chainstriker).The idea is to give the boar an huge hp buff. In addition, cleanse removes all lockdown and rip effects, so every round all henriettas can heal the boar. I have many henriettas from guild, would be easier to meld than oracles.
This would require manual play though, to play the Dragonlord infront of Chainstriker. Somehow this seems like less secure compared to using Royal Guard + Oracles.
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Post by tanisomsford on Dec 26, 2016 0:10:24 GMT
I'm working on an alternate but still a ways off. Hope to use a bless hb, bless or mass heal seraph, and maybe others. I would have to check the math on hero dmg per turn to see if every creature needs bless... You jerk for beating me to the punch in this ) I wasn't gonna post until I officially beat it, but im a couple days away still. I just finished my 9th unbound oracle to do this next grimoire, and I bought Santa Claudia who can replace the missing bless if you get instakilled. It took me months to build these oracles for this but I'm finally there. Well great job for cracking this for the forum. Some notes should be cited here. First off, forget the frost armor. Period. It needs to be immunity or unbound. Unbound is 100%, so is better IMO. Seraph's are a candidate with bless, but no mass heal makes it harder to chain the Royal guards skill. The better card, second to oracle, IMO, is ash beast, since it has two if the three critical skills, unbound and mass heal. Another card to consider is cancer ( not practical, too expensive), dragon lord is okay, but i8 is NOT ideal. And final note on royal guard vs judgement. Judgement forces you to use a very expensive deck to deal with rip and Royal guard fixes chainstrike, rip, blast and the battleblow all in one shot. Royal guard was always the answer. Math wise, with a full board, ten bless loses 5k hero life per round, nine bless is 6k from instakill. This forces the need for hero vigor at lv 8. Also, my Royal guard has faith heal 9. I think this is required, as it's an extra 4000 life. The other talent is ice shell, but I feel like it hurts the rage build in the very critical first few rounds. This isn't foolproof yet, but I really feel it's the right way to go
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Post by tanisomsford on Dec 26, 2016 0:16:10 GMT
My current solution: Hero lvl 1 and no specific talents - Heal Amplify Rune IV level 5 - Initial Rage V level 5 - Hero Vigor V level 8 4 Immunity7-Oracle 4 Unbound-Oracle 2 FA-Oracle - Bless Rune II level 8 At first i place only one oracle, after that i can skip the fight. If the first oracle survives in round 1 and the instakill-creature doestn´t kill any oracle (i need a little bit luck that the computer focus on one of my Immunity-Oracle), i will win because Royal Guard will trigger every round. (If the instakill-creature is on his hand in his first round, it is nearly an automatic win. I need about 4-5 trys for one win, but i think it is worth it and i don´t have a better solution without paying money. Fantastic job building this Butte. I'm nearly there now, looking forward to turning on the ProteanV making machine!
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Post by cozy on Dec 26, 2016 0:18:06 GMT
I'm working on an alternate but still a ways off. Hope to use a bless hb, bless or mass heal seraph, and maybe others. I would have to check the math on hero dmg per turn to see if every creature needs bless... You jerk for beating me to the punch in this ) I wasn't gonna post until I officially beat it, but im a couple days away still. I just finished my 9th unbound oracle to do this next grimoire, and I bought Santa Claudia who can replace the missing bless if you get instakilled. It took me months to build these oracles for this but I'm finally there. Well great job for cracking this for the forum. Some notes should be cited here. First off, forget the frost armor. Period. It needs to be immunity or unbound. Unbound is 100%, so is better IMO. Seraph's are a candidate with bless, but no mass heal makes it harder to chain the Royal guards skill. The better card, second to oracle, IMO, is ash beast, since it has two if the three critical skills, unbound and mass heal. Another card to consider is cancer ( not practical, too expensive), dragon lord is okay, but i8 is NOT ideal. And final note on royal guard vs judgement. Judgement forces you to use a very expensive deck to deal with rip and Royal guard fixes chainstrike, rip, blast and the battleblow all in one shot. Royal guard was always the answer. Math wise, with a full board, ten bless loses 5k hero life per round, nine bless is 6k from instakill. This forces the need for hero vigor at lv 8. Also, my Royal guard has faith heal 9. I think this is required, as it's an extra 4000 life. The other talent is ice shell, but I feel like it hurts the rage build in the very critical first few rounds. This isn't foolproof yet, but I really feel it's the right way to go I never succeeded, but I still want to. I quit for a while so I'm behind. I think bless treant guide is an option but not totally sure. With a hero heal amp IV and some skill upgrades you can heal for 500+ from this one card and I hope afford to use some seraphs. One of these days I'll double check the math. I know that unbound Oracle's would work, but it's a pain getting enough of them. The other issue is chaining Royal guards blessing with the initial 3-4 cards out as it's not enough rage. I think you need some lvl 7-8 bless runes on everything. My aim right now is to beat 4 with this setup, but even that is a ways off. Need a bunch of upgrades on bless runes and two more seraphs or Oracle's or horned beasts.
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Post by tanisomsford on Dec 26, 2016 0:21:10 GMT
Yes cozy, This seems little hard as it required 10 melded oracles. BTW I suspect whether we could do it without 10 oracles like the same way we do with Judgement. Can we mix with other cards like Bless SM, Bless Royal Dragons, Bless Serap etc... I haven't tried it yet, is there anyone here already tried such an alternative setup? By looking at the both setups, I have a feeling that this might work as well with enough HP buffs What do you guys think about that? :v The three critical skills needed for every card is bless, mass heal or holy light, and unbound or immunity. The gold standard combination I feel is bless, mass heal, and unbound. Only two cards I can think of off the top of my head are unbound oracle, and bless ash beast. Hope this helps.
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Post by tanisomsford on Dec 26, 2016 0:24:56 GMT
You jerk for beating me to the punch in this ) I wasn't gonna post until I officially beat it, but im a couple days away still. I just finished my 9th unbound oracle to do this next grimoire, and I bought Santa Claudia who can replace the missing bless if you get instakilled. It took me months to build these oracles for this but I'm finally there. Well great job for cracking this for the forum. Some notes should be cited here. First off, forget the frost armor. Period. It needs to be immunity or unbound. Unbound is 100%, so is better IMO. Seraph's are a candidate with bless, but no mass heal makes it harder to chain the Royal guards skill. The better card, second to oracle, IMO, is ash beast, since it has two if the three critical skills, unbound and mass heal. Another card to consider is cancer ( not practical, too expensive), dragon lord is okay, but i8 is NOT ideal. And final note on royal guard vs judgement. Judgement forces you to use a very expensive deck to deal with rip and Royal guard fixes chainstrike, rip, blast and the battleblow all in one shot. Royal guard was always the answer. Math wise, with a full board, ten bless loses 5k hero life per round, nine bless is 6k from instakill. This forces the need for hero vigor at lv 8. Also, my Royal guard has faith heal 9. I think this is required, as it's an extra 4000 life. The other talent is ice shell, but I feel like it hurts the rage build in the very critical first few rounds. This isn't foolproof yet, but I really feel it's the right way to go I never succeeded, but I still want to. I quit for a while so I'm behind. I think bless treant guide is an option but not totally sure. With a hero heal amp IV and some skill upgrades you can heal for 500+ from this one card and I hope afford to use some seraphs. One of these days I'll double check the math. I know that unbound Oracle's would work, but it's a pain getting enough of them. The other issue is chaining Royal guards blessing with the initial 3-4 cards out as it's not enough rage. I think you need some lvl 7-8 bless runes on everything. My aim right now is to beat 4 with this setup, but even that is a ways off. Need a bunch of upgrades on bless runes and two more seraphs or Oracle's or horned beasts. Four can be done with bless seraphs and oracles with judgement. They do really well there. It's even pretty much an auto win. Tree guides won't work because they get frozen every round. No heal, no bless, hero gets no rage, all cards die. The key is not getting frozen so they can heal enough to have lots of life to get hit with so you "juice" up the rage meter enough every round. Hope this helps.
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Post by ℒ✰Deer on Jul 15, 2017 18:43:03 GMT
I am going to need some correction. I have heard and read a way to beat protein challenge by using Bless Henrietta + Predator. But it seems Unbound doesn't protect against freeze and I am loosing all the time. Am I missing something or what?
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Post by spizz0 on Jul 15, 2017 19:26:10 GMT
I am going to need some correction. I have heard and read a way to beat protein challenge by using Bless Henrietta + Predator. But it seems Unbound doesn't protect against freeze and I am loosing all the time. Am I missing something or what? That sounds completely new to me, are you sure? To be honest I've experienced a strange drop in my win rate, but never checked if it was due to a stealth unbound nerf. For now I have 0 attempts to check unfortunately.
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