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Post by icezaius on May 26, 2016 18:09:55 GMT
One big factor with Armageddon is if you've got a Paragon and or KQ? Both are excellent with Armageddon, and Paragon is kinda of a must with him. With you being in the 4000s in tourney, I would expect you could definitely move up big time with Armageddon. I would go for it, because he's a good hero and will be good for you for a long time. I have to think people saying he's not very good are more top tier players where everyone has multiple revives melded and crazy super decks. Mid 4k's tourney you could win about every battle with him with a good disposal instakill deck and a Paragon. I agree with you that you'll definitely need paragon for it to work, i still think its a little to situational though. My experience comes from arena, im only Lv68 and stay ranked from 2-10. My deck consists of 3* and 4* melds with 2 5* cards and i face people running all 5* cards in there deck. As for the tourney, im all the way at the bottom haha but thats only because i need a solid second deck. Only thing holding me back is farming another 1-2 recycles for that deck as my main deck doesnt lose in the tourney where im at now. I would love to see what arena you're in, cause I can't even imgaine a deck with 3* cards in the top 50. I'm @ 550 in tourney and Armageddon is one of the heroes I least like to face. A lot of that is deck matchups, but still. I got to #1 in my arena using an Overlord deck, and Armageddon is a suped up version of Overlord.
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Post by m4rt1n1 on May 26, 2016 18:35:03 GMT
thanks a lot for the info. I've come up with a few cards I expect would fit perfectly with her. I've got a thors rage paragon, a picking off 9 quetz, incinerate 8 FB, seals phoenix. I've got a sorcery rune @ lvl 6 also. I've got plenty of good support cards to go with it as well, just severely lacking in rqt. Only ever had 1 retreat card to meld. Hopefully by the time I get Alchemist (75 shards worth of ore now), I've faend another archdeva to meld. I think I'm pretty well sold on her. My one question, what do mean about her being poor on defense in tournament? I'm not sure I understand what the difference is. Or do you just mean someone can run their warlock plus drone deck against you and make her less effective? That paragon will be nice (mine has flurry which also triggers melt armor), the quetz might be hard to incorporate, typically I want each card to fill at least two functions (e.g HB with fatigue 8 being both a trigger and a mass healer) alternatively possess a double (or triple in case of Inc8 FB) trigger. The seal phoenix might be nice but the rebirth and restoration skills don't really add much if enemy has paragon out. Currently I use the following setup: 2 Fatigue 8 HBs with (runes: healing, lethargy, dodge) 2 Rec1 HBs (healing, vitality) (dont have any revive which sucks) Inc8 FB (fire rune) Blossoms (vitality, proteon, fire) Paragon Killer Queen 2 RQT (vit+proteon runes) Remember that RQT also trigger melt armor if the retreat is ignored. Same goes for delay on paragon. My biggest upgrade would be a arcane knight or revive Abaddon. She is poor on defense as the enemy as you say may choose warlock with drone. My best targets are usually Oceanus. Best part is, you can use you semi good cards that does not fit in any other deck (e.g not dependant on supercards) Hi Nebiros, you may conviced me to alchemist.. i like the "wicked" part of heroes tallents. Armageddon - you steal best dead creature from enemy. SA - you destroy copletely, VS - you disable that sac taurus, revive octavius and retreat QT for good. Alchemist- Curse melt armor and if you dare to resist or you die, all your creatures gonna die I think her skills can be like chainlightning..
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Post by StackMasta on May 26, 2016 18:46:49 GMT
I agree with you that you'll definitely need paragon for it to work, i still think its a little to situational though. My experience comes from arena, im only Lv68 and stay ranked from 2-10. My deck consists of 3* and 4* melds with 2 5* cards and i face people running all 5* cards in there deck. As for the tourney, im all the way at the bottom haha but thats only because i need a solid second deck. Only thing holding me back is farming another 1-2 recycles for that deck as my main deck doesnt lose in the tourney where im at now. I would love to see what arena you're in, cause I can't even imgaine a deck with 3* cards in the top 50. I'm @ 550 in tourney and Armageddon is one of the heroes I least like to face. A lot of that is deck matchups, but still. I got to #1 in my arena using an Overlord deck, and Armageddon is a suped up version of Overlord. Ive seen a few armageddon decks and they are there close to the top but dont do so good in my opinion at least against me, thats a free win for me. Im facing people with oceansus decks that have at least 100% clone, some wight and berserker decks. The only person i cant beat is the guy in number one spot, he also has a oceansus deck too but has spent alot of money getting immunity/dodge runes. I run 3 melded 3* creatures in my deck, 2 are Frost Ragers with Soul Swap melded, Lv7 and Lv8 Soul Swap Runes. The other is Treant Guide melded with Block 200 and this card definitely needs to have a high vitality rune for it to survive, I also have Lv9 Healer Rune and Lv7 Block Rune on him.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 26, 2016 18:53:56 GMT
I'd kill to be in that arena lol. Most of the kids in mine run Oceabutts and Warlocks >_>
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Post by StackMasta on May 26, 2016 19:00:12 GMT
I'd kill to be in that arena lol. Most of the kids in mine run Oceabutts and Warlocks >_> Haha but you have probably been playing the game way longer than me though. I've only been play for about 2-3 months.
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Post by dhinstructables on May 26, 2016 19:14:24 GMT
I'd kill to be in that arena lol. Most of the kids in mine run Oceabutts and Warlocks >_> Haha but you have probably been playing the game way longer than me though. I've only been play for about 2-3 months. Which is why Armageddon isn't doing well in your arena (it's still young). Arma does better when you have better cards; so he would be a bad choice for you right now, but could be what I need to push me over my current plateau.
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Post by scatterbrain on May 26, 2016 20:03:30 GMT
I currently have alchemist at lev 3 (3 shards short of lev 4) and use it as my main hero. You have to be well aware of that alchemist only performs well as an attackning hero if you are not a heavy spender. Using it as tourney deck on defense is quite tricky. A few comments on this hero is in place as people tend to oversee her potential: 1. Melt armor stacks, e.g if you apply it 2 times its gonna to 2x damage and 2x explode damage. My level 3 alchemist thus do 400 damage on trigger and 250 damage in death. Two layers means 400x2 + 250x2 to all creatures on death. This might seem small but once you clear 5 creatures on one turn you sorta of realise how good the potential is. Remember that the most used cards do have immunity on them, hence you clear most revive creatures quite effectively with melt armor. 2. You need rage generation of course, I typically use 2 RQTs which works well enough. A 5star initial rage rune is also a nice addition 3. Don't go all out on AOE magic damage, if you enemy throws in a Drone when you are smoked. I use a mixture between 2 fatigue 8 HBs (with lethargy runes) and blossoms + inc8 flame brave with high level fire runes, those four cards are my cornerstones for dishing out damage. I sometimes clear 8 cards in one round if I get good placement. By this setup either creatures get hit for high magic damage (no immunity) or chance for permanent lockdown (lethargy, just problems against warlocks) or they get melt armor damage which spreads damage quickly to the other cards. Just to state the obvious perfect scenario: Lets say all my melt armor trigger cards are out and melt armor has been applied once to a FA/Immunity enemy card: one round of attack from these 4 trigger cards would generate: 400 (1st HB) + 400 (2nd HB) + 400 (Blossoms enhance magic also triggers melt) + 400 (blossoms pyre) + 400 (meteor FB) + 400 (blaze FB) + 400 (inc8 HB) = 2800 damage. Not many cards to sustain that amount of damage. Now imagine 2 layers of melt armor. thanks a lot for the info. I've come up with a few cards I expect would fit perfectly with her. I've got a thors rage paragon, a picking off 9 quetz, incinerate 8 FB, seals phoenix. I've got a sorcery rune @ lvl 6 also. I've got plenty of good support cards to go with it as well, just severely lacking in rqt. Only ever had 1 retreat card to meld. Hopefully by the time I get Alchemist (75 shards worth of ore now), I've faend another archdeva to meld. I think I'm pretty well sold on her. My one question, what do mean about her being poor on defense in tournament? I'm not sure I understand what the difference is. Or do you just mean someone can run their warlock plus drone deck against you and make her less effective? Ice, you can get Archdeva from guild maps (I think it is map 5), wasn't sure you knew as you mentioned that you hoped you'd find another archdeva
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Post by ℳarty on May 26, 2016 20:57:32 GMT
ALWAYS think long term in dh.
Don't use ore on Armageddon or blademaster.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 26, 2016 21:04:08 GMT
The ore is worth more than a few tourney/trials shards.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 26, 2016 21:50:35 GMT
ALWAYS think long term in dh. Don't use ore on Armageddon or blademaster. Why not? I've been using my Arma for 5 months now, and he has proved to be very successful in many aspects of the game.
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Post by sblip on May 26, 2016 22:25:52 GMT
I think the point he is trying to make is that you can get Arma and BM shards from Trials and (gem) mines (early chests), whereas you cannot with SA and VT. So, assuming you can clear up to 110 trials, and do the 2nd mine first chest for 6-8+ months, you'll be a lot closer to having both of them anyway, whereas that is not the case with SA and VT
I'd take any of them though =D
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Post by ℳarty on May 27, 2016 0:19:28 GMT
ALWAYS think long term in dh. Don't use ore on Armageddon or blademaster. Why not? I've been using my Arma for 5 months now, and he has proved to be very successful in many aspects of the game. Because Ore is precious and hard to gather for f2p, better spend it on the most efficient heroes available: Oce, VT or SA.
Always think long term, any of those 3 heroes will help you more for end game play.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 27, 2016 0:21:40 GMT
Why not? I've been using my Arma for 5 months now, and he has proved to be very successful in many aspects of the game. Because Ore is precious and hard to gather for f2p, better spend it on the most efficient heroes, Oce, VT or SA. I'd argue that Arma is just as efficient as Oceabutt ^~^
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 27, 2016 0:22:40 GMT
I did get an arma for free from trials but I've never used it over the tourney mall heroes.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 27, 2016 0:23:59 GMT
How? Arma is just Oce with drawback after drawback.
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Post by ℳarty on May 27, 2016 0:24:25 GMT
Because Ore is precious and hard to gather for f2p, better spend it on the most efficient heroes, Oce, VT or SA. I'd argue that Arma is just as efficient as Oceabutt ^~^ You can argue as much as you want but that ain't true
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Post by ℜ★God on May 27, 2016 0:33:14 GMT
I'd argue that Arma is just as efficient as Oceabutt ^~^ You can argue as much as you want but that ain't true Stating opinions as facts is a sin, Marty
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 27, 2016 0:35:19 GMT
Unless your opinion is right.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 27, 2016 0:37:32 GMT
I don't think it is obvious whether Oceabutt or Arma is better lol.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 27, 2016 0:38:02 GMT
Oceabutt is definitely more douchey, that's for sure >_>
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 27, 2016 0:40:18 GMT
I liked Oce before he was mainstream.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 27, 2016 0:40:44 GMT
Such a hipster.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on May 27, 2016 0:50:49 GMT
I have Oceanus too but even I didn't like it when everyone used it excessively. Now with SA, VS and Druidess taking the spotlight I am back to loving my Oceabutt. Now if only IGG removed that silly looking helmet from him. :/
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Post by ℳarty on May 27, 2016 0:51:36 GMT
I don't have much time tonight for a oce vs Armageddon argument, but it's just obvious You are blinded by Armageddon Sexy Avatar ( one of my favorite btw ) To make it short, Oce ability don't need you to kill cards and lock the graveyard. Oce can learn Lightfoot + gt combo. Oce ain't a Mortii heroes, Alice not a threat for it. Armageddon is just a downgraded version Almost forgot, of all the available creatures in guild map, faen are superior to mortii ( beside kq, nothing impressive ).
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Post by ℜ★God on May 27, 2016 0:59:33 GMT
I don't have much time tonight for a oce vs Armageddon argument, but it's just obvious You are blinded by Armageddon Sexy Avatar ( one of my favorite btw ) To make it short, Oce ability don't need you to kill cards and lock the graveyard. Oce can learn Lightfoot + gt combo. Oce ain't a Mortii heroes, Alice not a threat for it. Armageddon is just a downgraded version Almost forgot, of all the available creatures in guild map, faen are superior to mortii ( beside kq, nothing impressive ). Armageddon has a high skill floor and skill ceiling, meaning that he is hard to use and hard to master Oceabutt has a low skill floor and a low skill ceiling, meaning that he is easy to use and easy to master Therefore Arma is better gg
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Post by ℜ★God on May 27, 2016 1:00:09 GMT
I have Oceanus too but even I didn't like it when everyone used it excessively. Now with SA, VS and Druidess taking the spotlight I am back to loving my Oceabutt. Now if only IGG removed that silly looking helmet from him. :/ Is Oceabutt actually going to become a thing now that I've started saying it all the time?
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 27, 2016 1:10:27 GMT
It's better than everyone calling him anus and half the people having no clue what they were talking about.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 27, 2016 1:11:18 GMT
Harder to use is only a good thing if there is a payoff for doing so.
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Post by ℜ★Jaegybomb on May 27, 2016 1:13:51 GMT
I don't think faen creatures on their own are really better than morti though. Purge and lightfoot just make them way better.
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Post by ℜ★God on May 27, 2016 1:16:23 GMT
There is a payoff for Arma being harder to use. I don't see Oceabutt removing crits from play ^~^
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