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Post by StackMasta on Jun 20, 2016 14:46:58 GMT
I'm lvl 80 and I still can't clear Grimoire 2... I feel dumb Either I don't know what crits/hero to use, or I do suck really bad I usually go with "recommended" creatures and I can only win grimoire 1, almost never cleared griomire 2, lol Vitality 5 is the most easiest to do if you get defiler and level it up once. Then Violence 5 is the second easiest with a few oracles and swordmaster/border ranger/techo chief with stabthrough and zora hero. Protean 4 can be done easily be done with a high enough Hero Vigor Rune and berserker/predator hero. I suggest watching some videos on youtube if its really that hard for you to get an idea on how to do it.
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Post by fotgs on Jun 20, 2016 14:56:24 GMT
I have Defiler lvl 5 currently. Problem is, I only have a total of 7 oracles I guess, 2 lvled up to 10 and waiting to meld FA on one of them, and 5 are lvl 0, because I didn't want to spend my enhance cards lvling them up, since I"ll use them as melding. I don't know how people can have 10 FA Oracles, I've been farming them for 2 months, I guess and I only got like 5, the others I had from either boosters, clearing maps, etc. It takes 30 shards to get one of them and usually I get max 5-6 shards from exploring all the 3 maps for Oracles.. This means an oracle every week or so. To meld 10 FA oracles, this means farming for a year? pf...
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Post by ℜ★God on Jun 20, 2016 15:32:37 GMT
You don't need a deck full of Oracles :S You can literally just use your main deck but switch Defiler in...
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Post by StackMasta on Jun 20, 2016 15:51:28 GMT
Yeah i dont use any oracles in my deck. Just 2 recycle cards, mythril drone, frost rager x4, treant guide x2, treant elder and my defiler is only Lv3. I think all you really need is just 2 recycle cards and mythril drone honestly. Even if you dont have mythril drone, all you need to do is just survive enough rounds till your defiler activates enough times to kill the cards. I think before I got mythril drone I used 1 recycle and a bunch of rebirth cards and just played it manually.
Also I dont have even one FA oracle but plan on doing just one next meld event. I have about 8-9 oracles though. I really only need one for guild map and thats it. The others just need to be evolved for Violence 5. I can already do protean 4, on protean 5 its not going to matter for me if they have frost armor cause there going to die either way but i do have a plan on beating that stage though.
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Post by fotgs on Jun 20, 2016 16:53:28 GMT
Thanks for your tips guys, I'll try this and see if it worked. I have Mythril, I have about enough frost ragers, but unmelded yet (still waiting for that 2x meld day).
Quick question: how do I know which grimoire event type it is? Can I check anywhere to see if it's for Violence runes, or how does that work? I have no idea really, I only do Grimoire lvl 1 for daily quest, since I couldn't beat it at any other lvl.
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Post by dhinstructables on Jun 20, 2016 17:09:59 GMT
Thanks for your tips guys, I'll try this and see if it worked. I have Mythril, I have about enough frost ragers, but unmelded yet (still waiting for that 2x meld day). Quick question: how do I know which grimoire event type it is? Can I check anywhere to see if it's for Violence runes, or how does that work? I have no idea really, I only do Grimoire lvl 1 for daily quest, since I couldn't beat it at any other lvl. Thanks again. Go to the Grimoire Section > Click on Enemy Lineup in the bottom left corner
Click on the image of the Rune Shards next to Browse Rewards.
The only one that won't tell which rune is the Sorcery one (broken like IGG).
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Post by Yuna on Jun 20, 2016 21:07:03 GMT
I have Defiler lvl 5 currently. Problem is, I only have a total of 7 oracles I guess, 2 lvled up to 10 and waiting to meld FA on one of them, and 5 are lvl 0, because I didn't want to spend my enhance cards lvling them up, since I"ll use them as melding. I don't know how people can have 10 FA Oracles, I've been farming them for 2 months, I guess and I only got like 5, the others I had from either boosters, clearing maps, etc. It takes 30 shards to get one of them and usually I get max 5-6 shards from exploring all the 3 maps for Oracles.. This means an oracle every week or so. To meld 10 FA oracles, this means farming for a year? pf... You don't actually need 10 Oracles. My first 12 Vitality V Oracles were begotten using a 9-Oracle deck or possibly even an 8-Oracle deck. Just stack the rest of your decks with Human creatures so they get the HP boost. I think I even used an 8-Oracle setup for a while there. 10 Oracles is definitely not a requirement for this Grimoire. Also, remember they do not need to be Melded or even Evolved. Oracles do not drop from Boosters, by the way. And you can buy at least 1 of them from the Map Packs.
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Post by Yuna on Jun 20, 2016 21:09:31 GMT
Thanks for your tips guys, I'll try this and see if it worked. I have Mythril, I have about enough frost ragers, but unmelded yet (still waiting for that 2x meld day). Quick question: how do I know which grimoire event type it is? Can I check anywhere to see if it's for Violence runes, or how does that work? I have no idea really, I only do Grimoire lvl 1 for daily quest, since I couldn't beat it at any other lvl. Thanks again. It's quite easy and fast (faster than dhinstructables method): Kill the Hero - Violence Kill the Creatures (200 HP starting HP) - Vitality Kill the Creatures (15000 (or was it 25000?) starting HP) - Sorcery Survive for 10 rounds - Protean The only one you have to actually click to be able to tell is the Kill the Creatures ones. Also, they cycle in the same set cycle. I think it's Sorcery -> Violence -> Vitality -> Protean, but I could be wrong and it's Sorcery -> Violence -> Protean -> Vitality.
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Post by Yuna on Jun 20, 2016 21:12:48 GMT
You don't need a deck full of Oracles :S You can literally just use your main deck but switch Defiler in... I can't remember off-hand how much damage the enemy creatures inflict, but don't you need a bunch of healers because eventually, you'll get into a cycle of almost never-ending Hero Skills and if your creatures don't heal enough, you'll lose eventually? Using your main deck only works if your main deck has considerable healing in it (mine has 0% healing ).
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Post by ℜ★God on Jun 20, 2016 21:21:53 GMT
You don't need a deck full of Oracles :S You can literally just use your main deck but switch Defiler in... I can't remember off-hand how much damage the enemy creatures inflict, but don't you need a bunch of healers because eventually, you'll get into a cycle of almost never-ending Hero Skills and if your creatures don't heal enough, you'll lose eventually? Using your main deck only works if your main deck has considerable healing in it (mine has 0% healing ). The only healing my main deck has is a single Horned Beast. Besides, you don't really need to keep your creatures alive anyways. You can Recycle and Revive them, you know. Trust me, you don't need any sort of special deck to beat the Vitality challenge on 5 stars (except for needing a decently leveled Defiler) ^~^ Coming from someone who has literally never lost a battle against it.
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Post by fotgs on Jun 20, 2016 21:33:04 GMT
Looks like today's Violence and I don't have the sweeping stab cards for this (still waiting to meld my 1st staboid). I'll wait for the vitality one, since it seems doable (though I don't have revive, I have only rec1's). I'm so excited, tomorrow I'll do my 1st lvl 5 grimoire
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Post by ℜ★God on Jun 20, 2016 21:45:03 GMT
Revives aren't needed.
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Post by Yuna on Jun 20, 2016 23:55:03 GMT
I can't remember off-hand how much damage the enemy creatures inflict, but don't you need a bunch of healers because eventually, you'll get into a cycle of almost never-ending Hero Skills and if your creatures don't heal enough, you'll lose eventually? Using your main deck only works if your main deck has considerable healing in it (mine has 0% healing ). The only healing my main deck has is a single Horned Beast. Besides, you don't really need to keep your creatures alive anyways. You can Recycle and Revive them, you know. Trust me, you don't need any sort of special deck to beat the Vitality challenge on 5 stars (except for needing a decently leveled Defiler) ^~^ Coming from someone who has literally never lost a battle against it. Thing is that you need multiple Death Calls to kill off the enemy creatures. Each Death Call will fill up the enemy hero's Rage by some 75% if you do it against 10 creatures. Enemy hero uses its Hero Skill, you lose 5 creatures, including Horned Beast. Your Reviverout at 2000 HP and was topped up. It takes 5 turns to revive Horned Beast. In the meantime, the Rage the enemy Hero gave you was enough to released Death Call against. Horned Beast is revived and manages to heal you one time before the enemy hero unleashes its next Hero Skil. This happens twice. On the 3rd Hero Skill from the enemy Hero, your Reviver dies. As does almost everything you have left. Now starts a slow and sure death spiral. I managed to lost this Grimoire when I auto'd it using 1 Mythril Drone and 8 Oracles, for crying' out loud. The chances of losing are miniscule, but not non-existent. 9 unmelded Oracles has a 100% success rate on auto.
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Post by Yuna on Jun 20, 2016 23:57:11 GMT
I can't remember off-hand how much damage the enemy creatures inflict, but don't you need a bunch of healers because eventually, you'll get into a cycle of almost never-ending Hero Skills and if your creatures don't heal enough, you'll lose eventually? Using your main deck only works if your main deck has considerable healing in it (mine has 0% healing ). The only healing my main deck has is a single Horned Beast. Besides, you don't really need to keep your creatures alive anyways. You can Recycle and Revive them, you know. Trust me, you don't need any sort of special deck to beat the Vitality challenge on 5 stars (except for needing a decently leveled Defiler) ^~^ Coming from someone who has literally never lost a battle against it. 5 Stabbers and 5 healers could work. All of your creatures need ~2000+ HP, though.
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Post by StackMasta on Jun 20, 2016 23:59:15 GMT
The only healing my main deck has is a single Horned Beast. Besides, you don't really need to keep your creatures alive anyways. You can Recycle and Revive them, you know. Trust me, you don't need any sort of special deck to beat the Vitality challenge on 5 stars (except for needing a decently leveled Defiler) ^~^ Coming from someone who has literally never lost a battle against it. Thing is that you need multiple Death Calls to kill off the enemy creatures. Each Death Call will fill up the enemy hero's Rage by some 75% if you do it against 10 creatures. Enemy hero uses its Hero Skill, you lose 5 creatures, including Horned Beast. Your Reviverout at 2000 HP and was topped up. It takes 5 turns to revive Horned Beast. In the meantime, the Rage the enemy Hero gave you was enough to released Death Call against. Horned Beast is revived and manages to heal you one time before the enemy hero unleashes its next Hero Skil. This happens twice. On the 3rd Hero Skill from the enemy Hero, your Reviver dies. As does almost everything you have left. Now starts a slow and sure death spiral. I managed to lost this Grimoire when I auto'd it using 1 Mythril Drone and 8 Oracles, for crying' out loud. The chances of losing are miniscule, but not non-existent. 9 unmelded Oracles has a 100% success rate on auto. Thats probably because you need 2 recycles. Once Mythril drone hits the field, only thing you take damage from is the opponents hero which does what? 1k damage? I always hit auto and I win 100% of the time.
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Post by ℜ★God on Jun 21, 2016 0:00:08 GMT
The only healing my main deck has is a single Horned Beast. Besides, you don't really need to keep your creatures alive anyways. You can Recycle and Revive them, you know. Trust me, you don't need any sort of special deck to beat the Vitality challenge on 5 stars (except for needing a decently leveled Defiler) ^~^ Coming from someone who has literally never lost a battle against it. Thing is that you need multiple Death Calls to kill off the enemy creatures. Each Death Call will fill up the enemy hero's Rage by some 75% if you do it against 10 creatures. Enemy hero uses its Hero Skill, you lose 5 creatures, including Horned Beast. Your Reviverout at 2000 HP and was topped up. It takes 5 turns to revive Horned Beast. In the meantime, the Rage the enemy Hero gave you was enough to released Death Call against. Horned Beast is revived and manages to heal you one time before the enemy hero unleashes its next Hero Skil. This happens twice. On the 3rd Hero Skill from the enemy Hero, your Reviver dies. As does almost everything you have left. Now starts a slow and sure death spiral. I managed to lost this Grimoire when I auto'd it using 1 Mythril Drone and 8 Oracles, for crying' out loud. The chances of losing are miniscule, but not non-existent. 9 unmelded Oracles has a 100% success rate on auto. Yuna I love you man but you are way over thinking this lol.
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Post by Yuna on Jun 21, 2016 1:08:25 GMT
Thing is that you need multiple Death Calls to kill off the enemy creatures. Each Death Call will fill up the enemy hero's Rage by some 75% if you do it against 10 creatures. Enemy hero uses its Hero Skill, you lose 5 creatures, including Horned Beast. Your Reviverout at 2000 HP and was topped up. It takes 5 turns to revive Horned Beast. In the meantime, the Rage the enemy Hero gave you was enough to released Death Call against. Horned Beast is revived and manages to heal you one time before the enemy hero unleashes its next Hero Skil. This happens twice. On the 3rd Hero Skill from the enemy Hero, your Reviver dies. As does almost everything you have left. Now starts a slow and sure death spiral. I managed to lost this Grimoire when I auto'd it using 1 Mythril Drone and 8 Oracles, for crying' out loud. The chances of losing are miniscule, but not non-existent. 9 unmelded Oracles has a 100% success rate on auto. Thats probably because you need 2 recycles. Once Mythril drone hits the field, only thing you take damage from is the opponents hero which does what? 1k damage? I always hit auto and I win 100% of the time. Again, I lost using 8 Oracles (4 FA, 2 Imm 8, 2 Imm 9) and a Revive Drone. if Drone is deployed last or 2nd to last, might lose.
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Post by japoon on Jun 21, 2016 1:33:49 GMT
Is that an easy way to get 4* Scoery? I challenge 3* now with around 70-80% win rate. Need to draw Michael & Drone at the 1st or 2nd round can pass it. Why would you need an early drone draw? To keep Michael alive? Rune him up with a Vitality V rune and pair him up with a bunch of Oracles. What is your setup challenging this Geimore? This is the only Grimore I challenge 3* and didn't spend gems to reflect. I wish I can challenge 4* for an extra 2 skill essence draw each time. Vitality, easy 5* with 100 gems refresh everyday. Violence, easy 5* with 100 gems refresh everyday. Protein, easy 4* with 100 gems refresh everyday. Sorcery, 70% 3* success with no refresh everyday. Because even 5* sorcery is too many to me
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Post by StackMasta on Jun 21, 2016 1:40:58 GMT
Thats probably because you need 2 recycles. Once Mythril drone hits the field, only thing you take damage from is the opponents hero which does what? 1k damage? I always hit auto and I win 100% of the time. Again, I lost using 8 Oracles (4 FA, 2 Imm 8, 2 Imm 9) and a Revive Drone. if Drone is deployed last or 2nd to last, might lose. I really have no idea how you lose unless somehow Mythril gets one shot from the hero because the creatures only do 1 damage.
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Post by Yuna on Jun 21, 2016 1:47:56 GMT
Why would you need an early drone draw? To keep Michael alive? Rune him up with a Vitality V rune and pair him up with a bunch of Oracles. What is your setup challenging this Geimore? This is the only Grimore I challenge 3* and didn't spend gems to reflect. I wish I can challenge 4* for an extra 2 skill essence draw each time. Vitality, easy 5* with 100 gems refresh everyday. Violence, easy 5* with 100 gems refresh everyday. Protein, easy 4* with 100 gems refresh everyday. Sorcery, 70% 3* success with no refresh everyday. Because even 5* sorcery is too many to me 5-star: 5 Tauruses, 1 Drone, 3 Oracles. Video will be uploaded tomorrow once I've recorded (what I hope will be) Vitality Grimoire. Gonna smush all 3 Grimoires into a single video.
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Post by Yuna on Jun 21, 2016 5:35:26 GMT
Again, I lost using 8 Oracles (4 FA, 2 Imm 8, 2 Imm 9) and a Revive Drone. if Drone is deployed last or 2nd to last, might lose. I really have no idea how you lose unless somehow Mythril gets one shot from< the hero because the creatures only do 1 damage. They also inflict a total of 1100 magic damage per turn.
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Post by fotgs on Jun 21, 2016 5:46:41 GMT
I did it... who's the man? I'm the man! who's the man? I'm the man! who's the man? Defiler's THE MAN. So, after reading this thread twice (only read about the Vitality part, since this one was the easiest), I gave it a try today and I kicked that Swindler's a$$. Here's the deck I used: Defiler lvl 5 (hero vigor rune (probably not needed), all vigor, faen vigor, human vigor, heal amplify) 1 Mythril 2 Thalassa 3 Frost Ragers 2 Oracles 1 Archdeva (for mass heal) 1 Blood Warlock I draw Mythril among the first 4 cards, so he was on the map early (not sure if it matters or not) Now I just have to see if this will work 100% of the time, because I could just have been lucky now Well, thanks again for the help, guys Now I can start farming Vitality 5 and not wait for my shitty luck to come up at the glory rune altar. LE: 50 shards needed for a lvl 5 rune And I only got 5 from my 2 attempts... pf... looks like I'll farm a rune in a few months
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Post by Yuna on Jun 21, 2016 5:53:37 GMT
I did it... who's the man? I'm the man! who's the man? I'm the man! who's the man? Defiler's THE MAN. So, after reading this thread twice (only read about the Vitality part, since this one was the easiest), I gave it a try today and I kicked that Swindler's a$$. Here's the deck I used: Defiler lvl 5 (hero vigor rune (probably not needed), all vigor, faen vigor, human vigor, heal amplify) 1 Mythril 2 Thalassa 3 Frost Ragers 2 Oracles 1 Archdeva (for mass heal) 1 Blood Warlock I draw Mythril among the first 4 cards, so he was on the map early (not sure if it matters or not) Now I just have to see if this will work 100% of the time, because I could just have been lucky now Well, thanks again for the help, guys Now I can start farming Vitality 5 and not wait for my shitty luck to come up at the glory rune altar. LE: 50 shards needed for a lvl 5 rune And I only got 5 from my 2 attempts... pf... looks like I'll farm a rune in a few months Yes, Drone being played first matters because the 8 enemy creatures do a combined 1100 of magic damage each turn. Without Mythril or a plethora of Immunity, you will die with insufficient healing, especially once the enemy hero unleashes its Hero Skill. Any setup with a Drone and 3 healers where all creatures have over 1001 health will suffice, but you can't necessarily Auto them.
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Post by StackMasta on Jun 21, 2016 6:04:12 GMT
I really have no idea how you lose unless somehow Mythril gets one shot from< the hero because the creatures only do 1 damage. They also inflict a total of 1100 magic damage per turn. With what? Doesnt mythril negate that? Or was that change?
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Post by Yuna on Jun 21, 2016 6:26:48 GMT
They also inflict a total of 1100 magic damage per turn. With what? Doesnt mythril negate that? Or was that change? With insufficient healing and Mythril Drone drawn last, you could lose. I dunno how I managed to lose with a revive!Mythril Drone, though. Must've been unlucky timing with repeats of the enemy Hero Skill so that Mythril Drone died.
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Post by StackMasta on Jun 21, 2016 6:29:46 GMT
With what? Doesnt mythril negate that? Or was that change? With insufficient healing and Mythril Drone drawn last, you could lose. I dunno how I managed to lose with a revive!Mythril Drone, though. Must've been unlucky timing with repeats of the enemy Hero Skill so that Mythril Drone died. Lol but how? Mythril Drone heals its self and you only take 1 damage from creatures. Somehow the enemy hero skill is soloing the mythril drone? Its just hard to believe that. What level is your defiler?
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Post by Yuna on Jun 21, 2016 6:44:18 GMT
With insufficient healing and Mythril Drone drawn last, you could lose. I dunno how I managed to lose with a revive!Mythril Drone, though. Must've been unlucky timing with repeats of the enemy Hero Skill so that Mythril Drone died. Lol but how? Mythril Drone heals its self and you only take 1 damage from creatures. Somehow the enemy hero skill is soloing the mythril drone? Its just hard to believe that. What level is your defiler? Level 8
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Post by StackMasta on Jun 21, 2016 7:04:52 GMT
Lol but how? Mythril Drone heals its self and you only take 1 damage from creatures. Somehow the enemy hero skill is soloing the mythril drone? Its just hard to believe that. What level is your defiler? Level 8 Lol yeah idk. I guess i would have to watch to see what going wrong. But i would think with mythril healing, especially if it revived oracle, it gets another boost of health, it shouldnt die.
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Post by drakkan on Jun 21, 2016 8:11:02 GMT
Vitality V
No need for early Drone or for Drone at all (actually I think Drone slows is down as your Defiller doesnt get enough rage).
My Alt does it 100% with this
Defiler lvl6 2x Thalassa 2x bless HB rest are 4-5 FA Oracles + unmelded oracles (and as FA doesnt matter, you can just use any mass heal creatures)
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