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Post by japoon on Jul 5, 2016 13:12:39 GMT
This topic should be fall into a section Under Enhancement
New features Add to the Game -- Craft & Smelt Today I would like to look into Smelt System first
(1) Smelting is to produce the materials. (2) Materials are used to produce equipment in the Craft (3) There are total 12 materials - Leaf - Grass - Gnarl - Steel - Feather - Extract - Sawtooth - Fur - Crystal - Stardust - Jawbone - Talon (4) Each Material have 5 level. Level 1 is the lowest and Level 5 is the highest. Therefore there are total 60 different combinations (5) Level 1 and Level 2 of each material can be produced in the Slot for free. Level 1 material need 2 hours and Level 2 need 8 hours to produce. (6) Material in the Slot is produced one by one, therefore increasing the number of Slot doesn't speed up the production rate. Instead it increases the production capacity. You don't need to login from time to time in order to maximize the production rate. (6) The maximum number of Slot is 6. The first 2 Slots is free for everyone. The 3rd to 6th Slot need Gems to open. 3rd Slot: 200 Gems 4rh Slot: 400 Gems 5th Slot: 800 Gems 6th Slot: 1600 Gems (7) Material can be drew from Luck Flip. Each Prize Pool has 9 flips. The cost is as follows 1st Flip: Free 2nd Flip: 5 gems 3rd Flip: 10 gems 4th Flip: 20 gems 5th Flip: 40 gems 6th Flip: 80 gems 7th Flip: 160 gems 8th Flip: 320 gems 9th Flip: 640 gems (8) Each Day you can refresh the Luck Flip 1 time for free. After that you can refresh it at a fixed price: 10 gems (9) Not counting the free Refresh, the cost-efficiency for drawing the Materials Number of Materials Get 1: 10 gems (10 gems / material) 2: 15 gems (7.5 gems / material) 3: 25 gems (8.33 gems / material) 4: 45 gems (11.25 gems / material) 5: 85 gems (17 gems / material) 6: 165 gems (27.5 gems / material) 7: 325 gems (46.43 gems / material) 8: 645 gems (80.63 gems / material) 9: 1285 gems (142.78 gems / material) Therefore drawing 2-3 material per Luck Flip is most efficient, drawing 4 is still acceptable if the prize is attractive. Drawing 5 or above is not recommended. (10) Each Material can be upgraded to a higher level by the Upgrade Function within the Stash. 4 units of Level 1 of the same material can be upgraded to Level 2 of the same material 4 units of Level 2 of the same material can be upgraded to Level 3 of the same material 4 units of Level 3 of the same material can be upgraded to Level 4 of the same material 4 units of Level 4 of the same material can be upgraded to Level 5 of the same material (11) Therefore Lvl 2 material = 4 Lvl 1 material Lvl 3 material = 16 Lvl 1 material Lvl 4 material = 64 Lvl 1 material Lvl 5 material = 256 Lvl 1 material (12) The capacity of Material is 200. Therefore the room for each material in average is only 16.66 max. (13) The capacity of Equipment is 60. (14) There is a symbol showing to remind you if you have the enough material to upgrade. (15) The production time for Lvl2 material is 8 hours. Therefore we can estimate the production time for the high level material is as follows, Level 3 material : 32 hours (1 day 8 hours) Level 4 material : 128 hours (5 days 8 hours) Level 5 material : 512 hours (21 days 8 hours)
I will update the more I know later.
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Post by vagou on Jul 5, 2016 13:15:53 GMT
Nice summary. Keep it going man.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jul 5, 2016 13:35:22 GMT
But where's the meld day Japoon??! >:-(
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Post by VILNIETIS on Jul 5, 2016 13:48:33 GMT
(7) Material can be drew from Luck Flip. Each Prize Pool has 9 flips. The cost is as follows 1st Flip: Free 2nd Flip: 5 gems 3rd Flip: 10 gems 4th Flip: 20 gems 5th Flip: 40 gems 6th Flip: 80 gems 7th Flip: 160 gems 8th Flip: 320 gems 9th Flip: 640 gems (8) Each Day you can refresh the Luck Flip 1 time for free. After that you can refresh it at a fixed price: 10 gems /(9) Not counting the free Refresh, the cost-efficiency for drawing the Materials Number of Materials Get 1: 10 gems (10 gems / material) 2: 15 gems (7.5 gems / material) 3: 25 gems (8.33 gems / material) 4: 45 gems (11.25 gems / material) 5: 85 gems (17 gems / material) / 6: 165 gems (27.5 gems / material) 7: 325 gems (46.43 gems / material) 8: 645 gems (80.63 gems / material) 9: 1285 gems (142.78 gems / material)I don't get something in your math..
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Post by japoon on Jul 5, 2016 13:56:48 GMT
(7) Material can be drew from Luck Flip. Each Prize Pool has 9 flips. The cost is as follows 1st Flip: Free 2nd Flip: 5 gems 3rd Flip: 10 gems 4th Flip: 20 gems 5th Flip: 40 gems 6th Flip: 80 gems 7th Flip: 160 gems 8th Flip: 320 gems 9th Flip: 640 gems (8) Each Day you can refresh the Luck Flip 1 time for free. After that you can refresh it at a fixed price: 10 gems /(9) Not counting the free Refresh, the cost-efficiency for drawing the Materials Number of Materials Get 1: 10 gems (10 gems / material) 2: 15 gems (7.5 gems / material) 3: 25 gems (8.33 gems / material) 4: 45 gems (11.25 gems / material) 5: 85 gems (17 gems / material) / 6: 165 gems (27.5 gems / material) 7: 325 gems (46.43 gems / material) 8: 645 gems (80.63 gems / material) 9: 1285 gems (142.78 gems / material)I don't get something in your math.. You can refresh the endless times as you want at a prize of 10 gems. Then the 1st Flip is free of charge. Therefore for 1 material you get the cost 10 gems. The 2nd material cost is 5 gems and therefore the total cost is 15 gems (7.5 gems / material)
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Post by Rosh on Jul 5, 2016 13:58:39 GMT
Guys I need your help I think I have my Lucky Flip bugged. How is the Lucky Flip screen (Enhancement -> Smelt -> Lucky Flip) supposed to look like? Mine is 9 materials (3/3) and big Shuffle button under it. If I click on Shuffle materials reshuffle (same result) and i that Shuffle button is still there. How am I supposed to get that free material?
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Post by VILNIETIS on Jul 5, 2016 14:00:32 GMT
I don't get something in your math.. You can refresh the endless times as you want at a prize of 10 gems. Then the 1st Flip is free of charge. Therefore for 1 material you get the cost 10 gems. The 2nd material cost is 5 gems and therefore the total cost is 15 gems (7.5 gems / material) Oh I got. Thanks.
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Post by japoon on Jul 5, 2016 14:07:33 GMT
Guys I need your help I think I have my Lucky Flip bugged. How is the Lucky Flip screen (Enhancement -> Smelt -> Lucky Flip) supposed to look like? Mine is 9 materials (3/3) and big Shuffle button under it. If I click on Shuffle materials reshuffle (same result) and i that Shuffle button is still there. How am I supposed to get that free material? Close your app and restart. I had the same problem in my alternative account but ok now.
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Post by SquagglyCat on Jul 5, 2016 14:31:17 GMT
Regarding (6), so far I don't see any advantage of having more than 2 slots open. Only the first one has a countdown, while the second one appears to be in queue.
However, I just started my first one and will have to wait 8 hours for it. Perhaps unlocking more slots will simultaneously smelt more materials? If not, then unlocking more will only benefit the super-casual player it seems.
EDIT: Looks like I put almost exactly what japoon put, oops.
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Jul 5, 2016 14:37:32 GMT
Here is a cost chart for instant making lvl 5 (Gold) items; Lvl 1 item = 6144 gold Lvl 2 item = 9216 gold Lvl 3 item = 12288 gold Lvl 4 item = 24576 gold Lvl 5 item = 36864 gold This is derived from material instant smelt cost, then combining 4 of each to make next lvl material. Finally a lvl 5 gold sword requires 4 x lvl 5 materials and a lvl 4 gold sword, which itself is 4 gold materials and a lvl gold sword
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Jul 5, 2016 14:39:14 GMT
To make a lvl 5 gold sword for free takes 6144 hrs or 256 days
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Post by zairto on Jul 5, 2016 14:40:47 GMT
Look like flip is not random Best material I got at first try is lvl3 I got a lvl 5 at forth try
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Post by Rosh on Jul 5, 2016 14:43:11 GMT
Guys I need your help I think I have my Lucky Flip bugged. How is the Lucky Flip screen (Enhancement -> Smelt -> Lucky Flip) supposed to look like? Mine is 9 materials (3/3) and big Shuffle button under it. If I click on Shuffle materials reshuffle (same result) and i that Shuffle button is still there. How am I supposed to get that free material? Close your app and restart. I had the same problem in my alternative account but ok now. I already did that. Now i even cleared cache and used force quit on the app and lucky flip is still same for me :/ Any ideas?
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Post by SquagglyCat on Jul 5, 2016 14:43:19 GMT
To make a lvl 5 gold sword for free takes 6144 hrs or 256 days Soooo March 18, 2017? I'll put it in my calendar!
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Post by komainu on Jul 5, 2016 14:45:16 GMT
But where's the meld day Japoon??! >:-( tommorrow
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Post by lampround✪NFS on Jul 5, 2016 14:47:18 GMT
To make a lvl 5 gold sword for free takes 6144 hrs or 256 days Soooo March 18, 2017? I'll put it in my calendar! Lol
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Post by komainu on Jul 5, 2016 14:59:46 GMT
just figured out you need to drag them in -_- I really should start reading stuff I guess..
I am curious tho what armour part is most favoured to be produced first..
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jul 5, 2016 15:26:07 GMT
But where's the meld day Japoon??! >:-( tommorrow Hope you are not Japoon's cousin.
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Post by fotgs on Jul 5, 2016 16:16:30 GMT
I see people already crafting lvl 5 purple boots. I wonder how many gems they spent on this...
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Post by dhinstructables on Jul 5, 2016 16:24:09 GMT
Here is a cost chart for instant making lvl 5 (Gold) items; Lvl 1 item = 6144 gold Lvl 2 item = 9216 gold Lvl 3 item = 12288 gold Lvl 4 item = 24576 gold Lvl 5 item = 36864 gold This is derived from material instant smelt cost, then combining 4 of each to make next lvl material. Finally a lvl 5 gold sword requires 4 x lvl 5 materials and a lvl 4 gold sword, which itself is 4 gold materials and a lvl gold sword Gosh, darn Moderators/Admin Staff!! I hate that comments do not make any notifications!
I'm confused, do you mean Gem Cost or Gold.... my only option to instant-finish a smelt to use Gems.
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Post by japoon on Jul 5, 2016 19:59:20 GMT
Close your app and restart. I had the same problem in my alternative account but ok now. I already did that. Now i even cleared cache and used force quit on the app and lucky flip is still same for me :/ Any ideas? Maybe it is a bug I don't know. I have the same situation. But when I closed the APP and reopen, it fixs the problem itself. I have no idea about your case.
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Post by japoon on Jul 5, 2016 20:00:22 GMT
But where's the meld day Japoon??! >:-( I can only say, it is coming soon.
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Post by zerole on Jul 5, 2016 21:05:24 GMT
F2P players here, right now I'm mainly focusing on smelting on CD but I was wondering if there's any reason to craft Lv1 equipment? Should I just save up my material for Lv2?
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Post by icezaius on Jul 5, 2016 23:08:47 GMT
I already did that. Now i even cleared cache and used force quit on the app and lucky flip is still same for me :/ Any ideas? Maybe it is a bug I don't know. I have the same situation. But when I closed the APP and reopen, it fixs the problem itself. I have no idea about your case. I had the same problem this morning. I uninstalled and reinstalled. Worked perfectly after that.
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Post by dhinstructables on Jul 5, 2016 23:09:47 GMT
F2P players here, right now I'm mainly focusing on smelting on CD but I was wondering if there's any reason to craft Lv1 equipment? Should I just save up my material for Lv2? Use your materials on Lv2 (Green) equipment to unlock Lv3, then use on Lv3 (Blue) equipment to unlock Lv4.... Then only craft Gold (Lv5) equipment going forward
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Post by zerole on Jul 5, 2016 23:12:52 GMT
F2P players here, right now I'm mainly focusing on smelting on CD but I was wondering if there's any reason to craft Lv1 equipment? Should I just save up my material for Lv2? Use your materials on Lv2 (Green) equipment to unlock Lv3, then use on Lv3 (Blue) equipment to unlock Lv4.... Then only craft Gold (Lv5) equipment going forward So other than time, there's literally no point in crafting lower level equipment?
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jul 6, 2016 1:59:13 GMT
Why can't I see other player's equipped equipment?
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Post by japoon on Jul 6, 2016 3:02:18 GMT
It seems the euipment cannot be further upgraded. Therefore i will only consider to craft the equipment with lvl5 materials + spark material to gave the bonus skill
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Post by StackMasta on Jul 6, 2016 4:54:34 GMT
Spark material seems to be pretty rare. Ive gotten a couple pieces and they only increase the chance of skill by 0.1% for each spark you use.....I think its best to hold onto them and wait to see if they will have an event for Crafting equipment to something similar to getting of getting double expertise. I would only hope so I guess. I crafted a Lv5 Purple boots so far which increases my skills by 11%. Its very noticable, some of my magic damage is increased by 30-40 damage. I think when i used hydra it also effected the damage from that as well too.
I spent about 8k gems though searching for materials. Mostly just refreshing for 10 gems after flipping past the 10 gem card flip. I would only spend more on flips if there was a spark available. It just seems like this is going to be a whale feature only honestly. Especially also because some of the materials needed you can only get them through sky arena, faction war, etc events. I have 23k gems left, im just going to risk it all on the next lucky spin event. I really hate this equipment feature and I dont dont see me being able to compete unless I spend a ton of gems on this equipment feature. So unless i get lucky from lucky spin haha, im probably going to quit after that.
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jul 6, 2016 7:33:25 GMT
You don't really have to quit because of the equipment s*** . I know that I will be pushed down in tournament and arena and i am making up my mind for that, it's true that F2P can't compete with even the most casual spender now but apart from pvp events like tournament and arena it shouldn't effect our game play too much, we can still enjoy the game for free. 23K gems is huge and i would to love to spend that on AB. The only thing that's bugging me is that I will have to adjust to lower tournament ranking and it is hurting to even think of.
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