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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 16:23:29 GMT
Are disposal drops tied to accounts? In other words some get lots of them in the same way I get lots of centaur chiefs? I admit many gems went to lucky spin, which I realize now was stupid. Boosters are a total and complete waste of money-- I get the same 10 4-5 star cards every time, without exception.
I have spent over 200k in gems and I still don't have a single card with disposal, not one. It seems almost statistically impossible that I have not gotten one creature with disposal after that many gems. I cant tell you how frustrated I am when I see a player that is level 40 with 5 creatures with disposal-- HOW ARE THEY GETTING THESE? At level 70 not having disposal is making my deck unplayable against anyone in raids and in tournys. I also cant progress past 10-11 in the map because I don't have anything with disposal. Out of 200k in gems [and dozens of maze attempts] I have the following decent cards: 1 Cyclops 3 undying wills 2 Phantom Leige 1 spirit siren [got this from a regular alter coupon pull-- I almost fainted] 1 terror dragon 2 nidhoggs 1 bloodletter 2 dullahans 1 anthema
the rest of my cards are meh. I have 100s of meh cards, many 4-5 star When I buy a booster I only get hell knights, pit lords, harbingers, or royal dragons and divine knights, or Pegasus lords, centaur chiefs [have 10 of these] and centaur healers. I have so many of these cards I crunch them for leveling the few good cards I do have.
Funny, on my alt account I got a gorgon at level 15 and bought maybe 5000 gems total.
Can someone tell me how everyone but me is getting creatures with disposal?
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Post by R✰Slippo on Apr 6, 2015 16:30:22 GMT
And I thought I was unlucky! Sorry to hear this bro, that's rough. I got one disposal from completing the Gauntlet (only 5* from that so far with 15+ completions, so very rare to even get a 5*) 2 from coupons and 1 from Human Boosters. Personally I'd have spent all that 200k on human boosters and I would guarantee you would have got at least 1 Balthazar (if not 5) and a couple Great Mystics to boot. I dropped 20k on Human boosters and got 1 Balthazar, so it is still a rare event but with only four 5* options, the Human booster should statistically be the best way to get a Disposal through gem purchases. Other than that, you are just super unlucky sorry man.
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Post by andypk on Apr 6, 2015 16:58:01 GMT
Are disposal drops tied to accounts? In other words some get lots of them in the same way I get lots of centaur chiefs? I admit many gems went to lucky spin, which I realize now was stupid. Boosters are a total and complete waste of money-- I get the same 10 4-5 star cards every time, without exception.
I have spent over 200k in gems and I still don't have a single card with disposal, not one. It seems almost statistically impossible that I have not gotten one creature with disposal after that many gems. I cant tell you how frustrated I am when I see a player that is level 40 with 5 creatures with disposal-- HOW ARE THEY GETTING THESE? At level 70 not having disposal is making my deck unplayable against anyone in raids and in tournys. I also cant progress past 10-11 in the map because I don't have anything with disposal. Out of 200k in gems [and dozens of maze attempts] I have the following decent cards: 1 Cyclops 3 undying wills 2 Phantom Leige 1 spirit siren [got this from a regular alter coupon pull-- I almost fainted] 1 terror dragon 2 nidhoggs 1 bloodletter 2 dullahans 1 anthema
the rest of my cards are meh. I have 100s of meh cards, many 4-5 star When I buy a booster I only get hell knights, pit lords, harbingers, or royal dragons and divine knights, or Pegasus lords, centaur chiefs [have 10 of these] and centaur healers. I have so many of these cards I crunch them for leveling the few good cards I do have.
Funny, on my alt account I got a gorgon at level 15 and bought maybe 5000 gems total.
Can someone tell me how everyone but me is getting creatures with disposal?
Wow. By my best calculations that's about 2 freaking grand and not 1 disposal. As for your assumption. It does seem like accounts are tied to certain features. My account usually loves coupon bags. Locktar's account seems to be tied to maze completions. Can't say anything for certain of course but... ...take Locktar's maze completions versus mine. I should be close to about 500 maze completions by now and have picked up just five 4* creatures from them. He has a dozen 5* creatures and many 4* from his maze completion. Statistically that is pretty much impossible.
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Post by Pyron on Apr 6, 2015 17:45:22 GMT
Their randomizer may be all over the place instead of being tied by account. It's kinda like D3 before they implement a timer system that guaranteed a legendary. We had the have nots and have lots even when both played the same amount. Eventually it would frustrate the have nots because of this disparity.
Here IGG probably leaves this bad randomizer on purpose. There is no "even out" system to make average draws similar. After that unholy amounts of gems, some folks end up with 10+ Disposals, others may be even worse than yours.
You got a nice seal collection at least. Sadly unless they make Demonization creatures available for use, Disposal is king in this game. Too overpowered.
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Their randomizer may be all over the place instead of being tied by account. It's kinda like D3 before they implement a timer system that guaranteed a legendary. We had the have nots and have lots even when both played the same amount. Eventually it would frustrate the have nots because of this disparity. Here IGG probably leaves this bad randomizer on purpose. There is no "even out" system to make average draws similar. After that unholy amounts of gems, some folks end up with 10+ Disposals, others may be even worse than yours. You got a nice seal collection at least. Sadly unless they make Demonization creatures available for use, Disposal is king in this game. Too overpowered. Its not totally random otherwise Id be getting SOME of the rare cards just by sheer force. The fact that I get the same cards over and over and over and none of other cards ever tells me there is something in the code that uses a number system and takes your unique player number and uses it to determine which cards you get. I have seen this before and if you have a number that is prime you will consistently miss good cards and get repeats over and over. That may not be the case here but I suspect it is-- how can I have over a dozen hell knights and never have gotten a gorgon? a dozen centaur chiefs and never a hanuman? a10 royal dragons and 9 royal knights and never a Balthazar? There is a pattern of what I get and its the same over and over.
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Post by thundergod on Apr 6, 2015 19:38:54 GMT
I only have 1 disposal and used to have none until a few a weeks ago from a coupon draw. All I have to say is learn to love melded 4 star cards. That's pretty much the way I've been able to keep up. I have to face 4/5 disposal decks routinely and I'm able to beat them(unless they got GM, recycle 2 or other crazy things) thanks to many of my melded 4 star cards. You can even get past a good amount of Map 11 and is definitely possible to get to lvl 69/70 in trials too.
To get that one disposal, you should definitely try a human booster. Also, at least you have triple seals.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 19:59:12 GMT
I only have 1 disposal and used to have none until a few a weeks ago from a coupon draw. All I have to say is learn to love melded 4 star cards. That's pretty much the way I've been able to keep up. I have to face 4/5 disposal decks routinely and I'm able to beat them(unless they got GM, recycle 2 or other crazy things) thanks to many of my melded 4 star cards. You can even get past a good amount of Map 11 and is definitely possible to get to lvl 69/70 in trials too. To get that one disposal, you should definitely try a human booster. Also, at least you have triple seals. Yes the seals are what help me survive. I also have 4 dark witches max level, one melded with soul swap, but I think I am going to change that to Dodge 8. I use them with my bloody lord and my siren and my undying will to take out the hero fast. I need a second chaos witch to put shadow hex 10 on.
The irony of my situation is on my first account which is only 35 was lost to me back in December until 2 days ago because my tablet died and I did not have the IGN number to recover it and it was a guest account. I just got it back and now have it linked. I got a gorgon on it at level 15-- seriously. I had no idea what a great card I had until I made a new account and realized it was so rare. I wish I could swap cards between accounts....
I am considering playing my alt more because it has gorgon. It doesn't have all the seal cards though other than manticores-- I have a few of those. I am already on level 11 of the gauntlet and on my level 70 account I cant get past level 7, ever.
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Post by Pyron on Apr 6, 2015 20:40:09 GMT
Yeah, I know there is no real randomizer. They probably use a shitty randomizer, maybe some timer or something. Like D3 had a shitty randomizer based on logging time before adopting loot table based on section + resting system that guaranteed a legendary if nothing dropped after some time. This game probably has a really simple randomizer that doesn't even out things, so we got people with the same shitty cards and others with fantastic s*** . A good game randomizer doesn't really randomize, but try to even out things.
One time I did about 4 mazes a day and for at least 3 days straight I got the same 3* creature. That odd should be really low. So I wonder if it's linked to logging time, as I play around the same time everyday. I have other accounts, so if some accounts have better natural luck for mazes and other for coupons, I should be getting one that is good for mazes, but as it turns out I got none of this yet. Still low sample size to consider how things really work.
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Post by andypk on Apr 6, 2015 21:03:25 GMT
Yeah, I know there is no real randomizer. They probably use a shitty randomizer, maybe some timer or something. Like D3 had a shitty randomizer based on logging time before adopting loot table based on section + resting system that guaranteed a legendary if nothing dropped after some time. This game probably has a really simple randomizer that doesn't even out things, so we got people with the same shitty cards and others with fantastic s*** . A good game randomizer doesn't really randomize, but try to even out things. One time I did about 4 mazes a day and for at least 3 days straight I got the same 3* creature. That odd should be really low. So I wonder if it's linked to logging time, as I play around the same time everyday. I have other accounts, so if some accounts have better natural luck for mazes and other for coupons, I should be getting one that is good for mazes, but as it turns out I got none of this yet. Still low sample size to consider how things really work. I think that it is possible that each account gets some base settings that lead it one way or another. Like towards a particular faction, chance settings for different event types, etc. It's the only thing that would make all the data make sense. What works for somebody doesn't seem to work for others. Though I suppose maybe it is OS based? Never inquired about that.
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Post by ℜ★Naruto on Apr 6, 2015 21:47:33 GMT
Impossible to not have any disposal cards after spending 200k gems. You didn't spend them wisely enough most likely, judging by the fact you said you wasted alot on spins. I also assume you spend alot on altar draws? If so you just wasted tons of gems, as its one of the worse place to use gems.
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Impossible to not have any disposal cards after spending 200k gems. You didn't spend them wisely enough most likely, judging by the fact you said you wasted alot on spins. I also assume you spend alot on altar draws? If so you just wasted tons of gems, as its one of the worse place to use gems. Most I spent on lucky spins and boosters-- alter draws were very bad so I stopped doing them early on. . I only just realized coupons and ultima chests are much better odds. how would I know? I ask IGG what the odds were and they ignored my submitted ticket until it expired. There is no way a player can know what has the best payout with rare cards when they are not required to disclose odds. I am done spending money on this game other than the star account. I only wanted to get a deck good enough to actually beat more of the game map and do guild map quests. Lucky spin has the card I needed and there are about 16 spaces so I figured I had better odds there at 100 gems a pop than paying 800 gems for an ultima chest for one time draw. I know now almost no one gets the rare cards in lucky spin.
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Post by PandaSage♪ on Apr 7, 2015 0:30:09 GMT
1 minor thing, you mentioned that you have trouble with Raiding others. There is a trick that we all abuse; make a deck with ~4 k power(5 5* creatures) and go into the colloseum>raids with that deck. You will be fighting against lvl 35-40 people who almost always hoard glory.you can get ~ 10k glory per day. Also, you should know better, no freemium game is actually worth any money at all.
lvl 58, 3 disposals.Not much, but still helps....
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Post by artdz on Apr 7, 2015 4:46:14 GMT
Not sure how you have so few 5* cards if you spent 200k gems. Thats like Thor level. Should have at least 50+ 5* creatures if you bought boosters or ultima chests...
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Post by Hitmus2✪NFS(xerks) on Apr 7, 2015 7:47:31 GMT
Not sure how you have so few 5* cards if you spent 200k gems. Thats like Thor level. Should have at least 50+ 5* creatures if you bought boosters or ultima chests... Hi artdz, i think 50+ is exaggerated, inway the OP mentioned using them on lucky spins and altars which naruto mentioned to have the worst outcome of 5* percentile wise. I don't know much of RNG but for the most games i play that involves RNG draws, it usually favor on something for your account. As the OP mentioned how come he has these creatures of multiple copies and don't have this creature. I really believe once RNG recognize your account and calculated some datas for it, it usually have a favored creature for your deck. There is a chance to get those unfavored in your account but I guess it will take time compared to others. I guess this how RNG create a unique identity to each account:)
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Post by Hitmus2✪NFS(xerks) on Apr 7, 2015 7:49:00 GMT
Btw I will transfer this thread to Question and answer section. Happy Posting everyone!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 15:49:57 GMT
I wanted to say my luck has turned-- last night I melded an oracle with immunity 9 on the first try!!! It was unbelievable-- I had to look twice.
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Post by greylox on Apr 21, 2015 15:57:52 GMT
This is where some sort of trade system would be nice. I've been lucky and picked up 5 disposals from altar, lucky spin and Ultima chests in the maze. 4 balthazars is all well and good but I'd much rather mix it up a bit. On the other hand I've not picked up other cards that people tend to hve multiples of so I'm not lucky everywhere.
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Post by bigstab [NFS] on Apr 21, 2015 16:51:02 GMT
This is where some sort of trade system would be nice. I've been lucky and picked up 5 disposals from altar, lucky spin and Ultima chests in the maze. 4 balthazars is all well and good but I'd much rather mix it up a bit. On the other hand I've not picked up other cards that people tend to hve multiples of so I'm not lucky everywhere. Can't do a trade system because everyone would just create ghost accounts on blue stacks and just get the guarantee's and trade them to themselves. In the course of 1 day you could have someone with 3 full decks of 5*.
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Post by micdaygo✪NFS on Apr 22, 2015 2:07:53 GMT
A bit late to the conversation, but I have a total of 5 disposal cards. Cyclops from the daily login, Hanuman from my guaranteed Altar gem purchase, and 3 Balthazars. (1 from Human Booster, 2 from back-to-back 5 card draws)
So basically, there's no real strategy or technique to getting them, it's completely random. Coupons are my preferred method for getting creatures, seems to be the best return for me.
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This is where some sort of trade system would be nice. I've been lucky and picked up 5 disposals from altar, lucky spin and Ultima chests in the maze. 4 balthazars is all well and good but I'd much rather mix it up a bit. On the other hand I've not picked up other cards that people tend to hve multiples of so I'm not lucky everywhere. Can't do a trade system because everyone would just create ghost accounts on blue stacks and just get the guarantee's and trade them to themselves. In the course of 1 day you could have someone with 3 full decks of 5*. What if they restricted it to a one time only trade between two accounts , which locks both accounts from being used for trading again. That would solve the farmer problem and give us a chance to consolidate two accounts.
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A bit late to the conversation, but I have a total of 5 disposal cards. Cyclops from the daily login, Hanuman from my guaranteed Altar gem purchase, and 3 Balthazars. (1 from Human Booster, 2 from back-to-back 5 card draws) So basically, there's no real strategy or technique to getting them, it's completely random. Coupons are my preferred method for getting creatures, seems to be the best return for me. How on earth do you have this kind of luck? at 73 still no cards with disposal, but I got 3 pit dragons and 2 spirit sirens, 3 swordmasters, yeah me!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 17:09:06 GMT
Not sure how you have so few 5* cards if you spent 200k gems. Thats like Thor level. Should have at least 50+ 5* creatures if you bought boosters or ultima chests... Not even close to 50 5*-- I will check to see how many I have but most are crap 5 stars no one even uses in decks.
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Post by micdaygo✪NFS on Apr 24, 2015 21:14:37 GMT
A bit late to the conversation, but I have a total of 5 disposal cards. Cyclops from the daily login, Hanuman from my guaranteed Altar gem purchase, and 3 Balthazars. (1 from Human Booster, 2 from back-to-back 5 card draws) So basically, there's no real strategy or technique to getting them, it's completely random. Coupons are my preferred method for getting creatures, seems to be the best return for me. How on earth do you have this kind of luck? at 73 still no cards with disposal, but I got 3 pit dragons and 2 spirit sirens, 3 swordmasters, yeah me! Well, for one thing, don't waste your gems on Lucky Spin. That thing is nothing but a quicksand pit for your gems. If you are looking for a faction-specific 5*, buy the booster packs when they're available. Make sure you share to Facebook - set it so that only you can see it - any time you get a 4* or higher card or evolve a card. This will help you accumulate more coupons, which will eventually start netting you some good cards. If you are capable of building up enough gems, you can do the Ultima Chests for 800 a pop, but I've had just as much luck with the 675 gem Altar draw, so that's what I usually do nowadays. Higher level mazes will occasionally reward some good 4* cards, so do those regularly. I should note that while I got lucky on the back-to-back Balthazars, that was a fluke. Though it's often just random luck, if you stick to a routine or strategy for finding cards, you will eventually find what you want.
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How on earth do you have this kind of luck? at 73 still no cards with disposal, but I got 3 pit dragons and 2 spirit sirens, 3 swordmasters, yeah me! Well, for one thing, don't waste your gems on Lucky Spin. That thing is nothing but a quicksand pit for your gems. If you are looking for a faction-specific 5*, buy the booster packs when they're available. Make sure you share to Facebook - set it so that only you can see it - any time you get a 4* or higher card or evolve a card. This will help you accumulate more coupons, which will eventually start netting you some good cards. If you are capable of building up enough gems, you can do the Ultima Chests for 800 a pop, but I've had just as much luck with the 675 gem Altar draw, so that's what I usually do nowadays. Higher level mazes will occasionally reward some good 4* cards, so do those regularly. I should note that while I got lucky on the back-to-back Balthazars, that was a fluke. Though it's often just random luck, if you stick to a routine or strategy for finding cards, you will eventually find what you want. I have a THOR from accumulated purchases, used gems on everything [lucky spin, alter, boosters [bought probably 30 boosters and never once got a rare card or a 5*] chests etc] to try and get a disposal card and nothing, ever. I know about facebook and started doing that months ago to get coupons. Some players have incredible luck while others, like me have no luck. I have noticed since I stopped buying gems my luck has been improving, wondering if buying too many gems flags you as a sucker and they keep your luck low to try and get you to buy more gems. Well they can stuff it because they got all they will get out of me because my alt that I never bought gems for got a gorgon on first alter draw and she gets nice cards from coupons, better than what I usually get on my main. The luck factor between my two accounts is more than a curiosity, I think it shows they have different code based on player ID's which ends up determining one player get 4 disposal cards and another gets none with the same amount of gems and effort.
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Post by arabia on May 1, 2015 15:02:58 GMT
Frankly, i don't understand why you need disposal that much. You have 4 5* with stone skin and undying will is super. Get Bersecker hero, meld Graboid with Recycle, meld Icy Huntress with Stone skin. With your hoggs and Icy huntress you should be able to hold down the field. 2 hogs, 2 melded graboid, 2 melded Icy and a Undying will with Bersecker hero, disposal who?
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Post by stuuu✪NFS on May 1, 2015 16:59:46 GMT
Frankly, i don't understand why you need disposal that much. You have 4 5* with stone skin and undying will is super. Get Bersecker hero, meld Graboid with Recycle, meld Icy Huntress with Stone skin. With your hoggs and Icy huntress you should be able to hold down the field. 2 hogs, 2 melded graboid, 2 melded Icy and a Undying will with Bersecker hero, disposal who? Everyone needs disposal that much. It's crazy good and almost necessary to beat certain maps.
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Post by thundergod on May 1, 2015 20:06:48 GMT
It's nice to have at least one and you'll need some luck getting one if you don't have any. Having more is very much appreciated, but getting that first one is an absolute necessity. Fwiw, I've beaten every explore besides 12-12 and made it to Trials 91 once with one disposal, so it is definitely possible to progress without a ton of them.
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I can easily call donuts with this post. There is no way you spend over 2 grand on the game and have only those cards...even if you spent over 100k gems on lucky spin you should have some from faction boosters. Plus if you have been playing the game long enough coupons give out about a 5* per month give or take 1. I don't think cards are tied to accounts at all just all random.
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Post by arabia on May 2, 2015 3:20:26 GMT
Frankly, i don't understand why you need disposal that much. You have 4 5* with stone skin and undying will is super. Get Bersecker hero, meld Graboid with Recycle, meld Icy Huntress with Stone skin. With your hoggs and Icy huntress you should be able to hold down the field. 2 hogs, 2 melded graboid, 2 melded Icy and a Undying will with Bersecker hero, disposal who? Everyone needs disposal that much. It's crazy good and almost necessary to beat certain maps. I agree that disposal is super, but that's not all. He has 3 undying will and a cyclop and thats good enough. And he has enough Stone Skin cards that can take down Disposal decks. Point is he doesnt know how to use them effectively, i think. Damn i really want his Nidhoggs and Anathema
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Post by Gallows Dodger on May 15, 2015 5:05:03 GMT
If you can't beat 10-11 without disposal then you seriously need to change the way you play. I'm up to 11-8 and I've never had any disposal cards.
I beat 10-11 with 10 Dark Witches and a Wight with cripple and undying. No melds and no evolved cards.
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