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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Oct 9, 2017 12:45:19 GMT
L3 orange equipment is fairly easy to make with nearly 100% orange chance for 2 orange and 2 purples, as per Japoons post on this thread.
The best chance for orange L5 is using this orange L3 as food, ~40%. If I get my maths correct, L4 orange equipment had the same stat range as L5 purples. You get that at least for 6 orange and 2 purple. I havn't tried but I think it would cost about the same to craft L4 orange equipment, so why would you bother?
The biggest problem with lower level orange equipment is that the upgrade path for equipment is awful, so its not worth crafting something and upgrading since it cannot get the top end stats that way.
L3 orange < L5 purple, but L3 orange is used to craft L5 orange (which might give you L5 purple) - so craft L3 oranges for everything and then upgrade them to L5. If you have the shards you can take something with a stat thats not so useful to you and use 100 sparks to craft blue equipment with a special skill. There is a nice post on this process too. The 'Planewalker v. Noble Lord v. Normal equipment' might be useful for you too.
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Post by jerzdevildog on Oct 9, 2017 14:53:39 GMT
japoon Great post man (All great information). Now i didn't read everyone's comments but I wanna make sure this tip is included. On ur way to Lv5 gold equipment for all 6 pieces (if your not aiming for 2nd skills) you will have plenty of failures, now you can dismantle a Lv5 purple equipment for 2 purple materials OR combine 4 Lv5 purple equipment for a Lv5 gold (this Lv5 gold will be a 20% boost to whatever skill its made for), with that minimal Lv5 gold, it can be broken down if not useful for 2 gold pieces or in my case, used to aim for a Lv5 plainwalker!!!
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Post by scap on Oct 10, 2017 6:04:58 GMT
The best chance for orange L5 is using this orange L3 as food, ~40%. If I get my maths correct, L4 orange equipment had the same stat range as L5 purples. You get that at least for 6 orange and 2 purple. I havn't tried but I think it would cost about the same to craft L4 orange equipment, so why would you bother? The biggest problem with lower level orange equipment is that the upgrade path for equipment is awful, so its not worth crafting something and upgrading since it cannot get the top end stats that way. L3 orange < L5 purple, but L3 orange is used to craft L5 orange (which might give you L5 purple) - so craft L3 oranges for everything and then upgrade them to L5. If you have the shards you can take something with a stat thats not so useful to you and use 100 sparks to craft blue equipment with a special skill. There is a nice post on this process too. The 'Planewalker v. Noble Lord v. Normal equipment' might be useful for you too. n4k3dm1k3 >> it makes sense, thanks ! I don't have enough sparks (only 5 and I suppose that I won't get 100 before I stop playing) so I will go for 2x L3 orange, one to get a L5 purple and one to try to get a L5 orange (it seems nearly impossible according to what I've read here)
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Oct 10, 2017 14:54:11 GMT
Its actually not too bad, it just takes time. You get an orange using equipment crafting in 16 days (inner 2 slots), others in 21 days 8 hrs (outer 2 slots). A purple takes 5 days 8hrs.
An L3 orange therefore takes 42 days 16 hrs, + an extra 72 days 8 hrs (115 days total) to get either L5 orange (~2in5) or L5 purple (~3in5)
So, avarage time for 6 L5 oranges is about 4 and a half years! (6 pieces is just under 2 years)
That seems really bad, but it doesn't account for lucky flip. 6 pieces in a year is quite attainable with only mimimal lucky flip spending. This time can be sped up fairly dramatically it you flip 6/9 times a day (3 with a refresh or 2). If you gem spend for sparks in mom, then you will reduce it dramatically again.
I got 6 L5s in about a year I think. If anyone has some analysis on average payouts from flipping (and the varoius free/pay options) that could help this analysis alot.
I didn't ccount for white generation (I never craft whites) so this does include some payout from flips, but not the occasional green/blue/purple/orange. I have had 1 or 2 oranges pop out from flipping before. A single orange from flips reduces time by ~1 month.
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Oct 10, 2017 14:59:17 GMT
The best chance for orange L5 is using this orange L3 as food, ~40%. If I get my maths correct, L4 orange equipment had the same stat range as L5 purples. You get that at least for 6 orange and 2 purple. I havn't tried but I think it would cost about the same to craft L4 orange equipment, so why would you bother? The biggest problem with lower level orange equipment is that the upgrade path for equipment is awful, so its not worth crafting something and upgrading since it cannot get the top end stats that way. L3 orange < L5 purple, but L3 orange is used to craft L5 orange (which might give you L5 purple) - so craft L3 oranges for everything and then upgrade them to L5. If you have the shards you can take something with a stat thats not so useful to you and use 100 sparks to craft blue equipment with a special skill. There is a nice post on this process too. The 'Planewalker v. Noble Lord v. Normal equipment' might be useful for you too. n4k3dm1k3 >> it makes sense, thanks ! I don't have enough sparks (only 5 and I suppose that I won't get 100 before I stop playing) so I will go for 2x L3 orange, one to get a L5 purple and one to try to get a L5 orange (it seems nearly impossible according to what I've read here) you should always try to get orange L5, you WILL get some purple L5s in the process - and it is likely (58%) that you will get a purple on the first try. I think even with L34 gold, you need several orange to guarantee a purple L5 - I don't have the stash to check right now as I'm early in the next cycle
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Oct 12, 2017 17:30:33 GMT
Updated L3 orange crafting method, inspired by poka deckheroes.freeforums.net/post/122984/threadStep 1: Craft L1 orange gear using 3 purple + 3 white(2 purple + L1 purple gear) Step 2: Craft L2 orange gear using 1 purple + 1 green + 1 white + L1 orange gear (~99% chance) - (change white to green for 100%) Step 3: Craft L3 orange gear using 1 orange + 1 blue + 1 green + 1 white +L2 orange gear This method uses 7 purple + 1 blue + 2 green + 5 white 2 orange + 2 purple method uses 8 purple + 6 white (or more if you get unlucky breaking the L1 oranges!) -> saving a purple at the cost of 1 blue + 1 green + 3 white. In crafting time that is ~ 3 days.
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Post by scap on Oct 23, 2017 6:21:56 GMT
Initial PhaseOrange Material A. 1 white + 1 white = lvl1 white equipment B. 1 purple + 1 white + lvl1 white equipment = lvl1 purple equipment C. 2 purple + lvl1 purple equipment = lvl1 gold equipment D. Dismantle the lvl1 gold = 1 gold material Remark: Step A&D 100%, Step B&C 97-98% By using this method , you can get a gold material by 3 purple + 3 white only Is there a way to control which gold material we will get from this method? If not, it means (correct me if I'm wrong) that if we don't have luck we could wait much more than by smelting a specific material.
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Oct 23, 2017 15:56:19 GMT
Initial PhaseOrange Material A. 1 white + 1 white = lvl1 white equipment B. 1 purple + 1 white + lvl1 white equipment = lvl1 purple equipment C. 2 purple + lvl1 purple equipment = lvl1 gold equipment D. Dismantle the lvl1 gold = 1 gold material Remark: Step A&D 100%, Step B&C 97-98% By using this method , you can get a gold material by 3 purple + 3 white only Is there a way to control which gold material we will get from this method? If not, it means (correct me if I'm wrong) that if we don't have luck we could wait much more than by smelting a specific material. You can only get the 2 materials used to craft a Lvl1 item from the dismantle - if you wanted the other type, combine the gold mat with a white to get a new gold Lvl 1 item and dismantle again. Rince and repeat until you get the correct material (while only spending a few whites) Hope this helps!
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Post by scap on Oct 23, 2017 16:55:57 GMT
Ok thanks !
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Nov 10, 2017 15:49:25 GMT
Updated L3 orange crafting method, inspired by poka deckheroes.freeforums.net/post/122984/threadStep 1: Craft L1 orange gear using 3 purple + 3 white(2 purple + L1 purple gear) Step 2: Craft L2 orange gear using 1 purple + 1 green + 1 white + L1 orange gear (~99% chance) - (change white to green for 100%) Step 3: Craft L3 orange gear using 1 orange + 1 blue + 1 green + 1 white +L2 orange gear This method uses 7 purple + 1 blue + 2 green + 5 white 2 orange + 2 purple method uses 8 purple + 6 white (or more if you get unlucky breaking the L1 oranges!) -> saving a purple at the cost of 1 blue + 1 green + 3 white. In crafting time that is ~ 3 days. I managed to craft through to L3 orange and I can confirm Step 3 requires only 1 orange L2, 1 orange and 3 white mats. This reduces the cost of L3 orange equiptment to 7 purple + 1 green + 10 white: craft time is 38.5 days (was missing 3 whites for second orange mat craft!) So trade is 1 purple (i.e. 16 greens) becomes 2 greens (1 green + 4 white) in crafting time. I.e. Step 1: Craft L1 orange gear using 3 purple + 3 white(2 purple + L1 purple gear) Step 2: Craft L2 orange gear using 1 purple + 1 green + 1 white + L1 orange gear (~99% chance) - (change white to green for 100%) [Step 3a: Craft L1 orange gear using 3 purple + 3 white, dismantle to get 1 orange material] Step 3: Craft L3 orange gear using 1 orange + 3 white +L2 orange gear [total 38 days 12 hrs] For L5 orange, Step 4: Follow Step 3a until you have both types of orange materials needed to craft L1 gear [32 days 12 hrs] Step 5: Generate 64 green of the other 2 materials required for L5 equipment to combine into 2 orange materials [total 42 days 16 hrs] Step 6: Combine the 4 orange materials + L3 orange gear to produce L5 orange gear with a 42% success chance [Step 7: If you got purple, you now get 2 purple materials back when you dismantle it - so back to step 1 If sucessful, total time is 113 days 16 hrs, at 42% chance ~ average per L5 orange is 269 days (this will be reduce as we recover 5 days 8 hrs per purple we recover from the dismantle) This time will be reduced by free lucky flips, siginficantly so if you spend ~40 gems a day to flip 6 materials (or 20 a day to flip 4 times, reset flip half way through) - each white pulled saves 2 hrs, green 8hrs, blue 32 hrs, purple 128hrs and orange either 16 days 6 hrs or 21 days 8 hrs (depending if they are the inner or outer required materials). If anyone has good statistical information on material flip rates, we can adjust the total time required for L5 orange equipment accordingly. I did not pay attention while pulling 4 or 6 flips daily and I have not done so for quite some time.
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Post by JayBase on Jan 7, 2018 1:24:26 GMT
Hey guys, well here is a graphic for you all to copy and refer to. Makes it easier than following written instruction. Feel free to share this where ever you like. Kudo's goes to my friend and Captain SeltsamerHerr for making it. Planeswalker equipment is the same as Nobel Lord except for the possibility of getting blade shard. Enjoy.
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Post by BlackTone on Jan 12, 2018 2:48:52 GMT
Hey guys, well here is a graphic for you all to copy and refer to. Makes it easier than following written instruction. Feel free to share this where ever you like. Kudo's goes to my friend and Captain SeltsamerHerr for making it. Planeswalker equipment is the same as Nobel Lord except for the possibility of getting blade shard. Enjoy. Very nicely formatted chart with great info, kudos! The equip skill info does not look right though, where is your buddy getting that from, are there screenshots of equip pieces? If I am reading the color coding right, it says blue Lord equipment can get Confine, Blitz, etc? That can't be right. Similarly, I am pretty sure Backup and Impede are gold only.
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Post by lvleteor on Jan 14, 2018 22:16:11 GMT
Normal equipment (Thorium, Dragonhide Gloves, Crystal Sword)... have not seen any with Confine or others.
Could someone back up this with screenshot?
Step from Lv 1 to Lv 3 formulas are better than what I had previously used.
Like that part a lot.
The skills aspect need some screenshots to solidify the claims =)
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Post by JayBase on Feb 11, 2018 19:37:10 GMT
yea you can get it on them.. have friends with the skills on normal equips. all my skills unfortunately are on planes and nobel. I will source some SS for you
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Post by JayBase on Feb 11, 2018 19:54:30 GMT
Blue lord can get all the skills except for BS. Nobel is the only one that can get bs. But lord, champion and planes can get all the skills irrespective of the color (not sure about back and impede, what I do know is that chances of getting s*** skills on any color are good). So not many try and craft gold because of the possibility of s*** skills being good and wasting 1000 spark. I have Unholy Rights, Confine, Salvage, Convalesce, Enmity and muddle all on purple planes and nobel equipment. And have gone through many attempts and dismantles getting repeated muddle, law and harrow skills before finally getting the ones I have. BS continues to elude me.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Feb 12, 2018 1:36:08 GMT
Blue lord can get all the skills except for BS. Nobel is the only one that can get bs. But lord, champion and planes can get all the skills irrespective of the color (not sure about back and impede, what I do know is that chances of getting s*** skills on any color are good). So not many try and craft gold because of the possibility of s*** skills being good and wasting 1000 spark. I have Unholy Rights, Confine, Salvage, Convalesce, Enmity and muddle all on purple planes and nobel equipment. And have gone through many attempts and dismantles getting repeated muddle, law and harrow skills before finally getting the ones I have. BS continues to elude me. can clarify the chart above... noble blue lord says blade shard and + above... means it can get all skills like confine blitz salvage etc ? ? ?
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Post by jp on Feb 12, 2018 3:36:53 GMT
Blue lord can get all the skills except for BS. Nobel is the only one that can get bs. But lord, champion and planes can get all the skills irrespective of the color (not sure about back and impede, what I do know is that chances of getting s*** skills on any color are good). So not many try and craft gold because of the possibility of s*** skills being good and wasting 1000 spark. I have Unholy Rights, Confine, Salvage, Convalesce, Enmity and muddle all on purple planes and nobel equipment. And have gone through many attempts and dismantles getting repeated muddle, law and harrow skills before finally getting the ones I have. BS continues to elude me. can clarify the chart above... noble blue lord says blade shard and + above... means it can get all skills like confine blitz salvage etc ? ? ? I think that is exactly what it means.
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Post by JayBase on Feb 27, 2018 22:13:23 GMT
yes, that is what it means.
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Post by lsoe on Mar 16, 2018 22:44:06 GMT
Just a note that even though it is now accepted that poka's method of including lvl2 orange is vastly superior to the crafting method of the OP, the actual method posted in the recent table is still not optimal. Poka got a lot of stick for suggesting lvl1 orange+ blue+green+ white at 80% success rate, however it is actually superior to the crafting method posted in the table. It actually doesn't take much maths to realise that the best way to craft a lvl2 orange is: Lvl1 orange + 3 white mats at 73.89% success rate! On average you gain 1 blue, 1 green, 1 white or 42 hours, compared to the posted method! (I'm 2/3 so far, which is good enough to gain a little on the posted methods)
Using most optimal methods, the hypothethical cost of having a shot at lvl5 orange through constantly refreshing lucky flip is 947 gems using 2018.03.16. value of my LF analyser (n>300).
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Post by JayBase on Apr 6, 2018 10:19:06 GMT
sure if you wanna split hairs yea.
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Post by fuggingene on Apr 9, 2018 17:17:36 GMT
I'm still a bit confused on how this works. If I wanted to get Muddle, do I have to spend Sparks to get it? Is that the only way? Is that what they mean by "Bonus Skill"?
I been so confused by all of this that I just got white materials and I made all the normal level 5 equipment and upgraded all of them to gold. So now I have 20% on everything. I just don't know how to get those special skills without wasting material.
I really don't care how much % I get in the resistances and stuff. I just want the special skills. So if that means getting a blue equipment with special skills is quickest, then I'm all for that.
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Post by noname on Apr 9, 2018 23:57:26 GMT
I'm still a bit confused on how this works. If I wanted to get Muddle, do I have to spend Sparks to get it? Is that the only way? Is that what they mean by "Bonus Skill"? I been so confused by all of this that I just got white materials and I made all the normal level 5 equipment and upgraded all of them to gold. So now I have 20% on everything. I just don't know how to get those special skills without wasting material. I really don't care how much % I get in the resistances and stuff. I just want the special skills. So if that means getting a blue equipment with special skills is quickest, then I'm all for that. yes only way to get bonus skills is by using Sparks and they are pretty hard to get
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Apr 10, 2018 13:11:57 GMT
I'm still a bit confused on how this works. If I wanted to get Muddle, do I have to spend Sparks to get it? Is that the only way? Is that what they mean by "Bonus Skill"? I been so confused by all of this that I just got white materials and I made all the normal level 5 equipment and upgraded all of them to gold. So now I have 20% on everything. I just don't know how to get those special skills without wasting material. I really don't care how much % I get in the resistances and stuff. I just want the special skills. So if that means getting a blue equipment with special skills is quickest, then I'm all for that. Yep, sparks are required. You can also only get the better skills on certain types and colours on equipment. There is a good guide to getting skills on the forum, TLDR is you want 100 sparks to craft blue noble lord equipment to be able to get bladeshard. Most people get sparks through momoya, but you can get some by flipping alot to chase sparks. It is very expensive, but you will get some random skill from this method. You can get some extra skills on normal equipment using sparks, but only the 'less powerful' ones (i.e. not bladeshard). You can also craft using few shards, but that will reduce the chances of getting a skill. You also cannot 'upgrade' the equipment after crafing the skill, your stuck with that level. It is worth going through the process of getting some proper L5 orange equips over your method. I have a couple of pieces with +atk or +HP on them, which helps. You can do this for free over time by making lots of green materials and usign the free flips.
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Post by lvleteor on Apr 30, 2018 7:29:05 GMT
Blue lord can get all the skills except for BS. Nobel is the only one that can get bs. But lord, champion and planes can get all the skills irrespective of the color (not sure about back and impede, what I do know is that chances of getting s*** skills on any color are good). So not many try and craft gold because of the possibility of s*** skills being good and wasting 1000 spark. I have Unholy Rights, Confine, Salvage, Convalesce, Enmity and muddle all on purple planes and nobel equipment. And have gone through many attempts and dismantles getting repeated muddle, law and harrow skills before finally getting the ones I have. BS continues to elude me. I'm still not entirely convinced that the skills indicated are possible for specific equipment. Namely Lv 5 "Normal" gear. Assumption is "Normal" = "Thorium/Dragonhide Gloves/Crystal Sword" Is this correct? Ex: Dragonhide Gloves w/ Confine | Thorium Armor/Boots/Helm/Belt w/ Unholy Rites etc.. This chart while not perfect, is very good. I am sure there was work involved that is much appreciated by all. There are some flaws that need to be amended and maybe we can all pitch in to correct the errors in hopes of a final version without question. Here is one correction that needs to be made and I hope others will also post screenshots to perfect the efforts of the chart's creator(s): Last Resort On a "Normal" Thorium Sword from Legacy Server belonging to a top player:
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Post by barleylime on Apr 30, 2018 16:00:11 GMT
What is legacy server?
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Post by Koloi on May 1, 2018 3:51:24 GMT
yes, that is what it means. U have ever seen a screenshot of blue equip with Confine or Salvage? No offense, just courios. Afaik these skills are only on purple and above. Would be very usefull to know, if u can get these skills in blue as well. barleylime its the US Server
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Post by lvleteor on May 5, 2018 2:53:31 GMT
yea you can get it on them.. have friends with the skills on normal equips. all my skills unfortunately are on planes and nobel. I will source some SS for you Did you source those Screenshots Jay? Not for me, but for everyone who is believing in the power of the Spark. * Dolla Dolla Bills Ya'll* @koloi: I have not seen any skills on a "Lord's" no matter the color and would be sore mistake for anyone to craft using sparks on any equipment outside of the scope of Planewalker or "Noble Lord's"..... Unless... ?? The % Chance of acquiring an OP skills are greater while tripping on a mushroom and landing in a reverse gravitational pull with Tweedle DerpaDee? Who knows .. IGG should just release this kind of information rather than leaving us all to geek out. If This chart's skill allocation were to be 100% accurate, and people seem to believe "Blue" is a solid choice for crafting. Then Crafting anything Blue... Why bother crafting anything better than Thorium/Dragonhide Gloves/Crystal Sword? If this chart is accurate, then all the Blue crafters need to do is .. craft a Lv 5 "Normal" since attributes are worthless in any grade of equipment. Why waste mats if crafting blue shenanigans? (*Exception being the Blade Shard Seeker)
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Post by lvleteor on Dec 10, 2018 7:04:50 GMT
Hey guys, well here is a graphic for you all to copy and refer to. Makes it easier than following written instruction. Feel free to share this where ever you like. Kudo's goes to my friend and Captain SeltsamerHerr for making it. Planeswalker equipment is the same as Nobel Lord except for the possibility of getting blade shard. Enjoy. Disregard the chart above as it is not entirely correct in regards to skills *Example Backup/Impede are only possible on Gold Color EQ* Refer to this thread for official skills list possible w/ sparks proven by collecting screenshots from players from Legacy Server: deckheroes.freeforums.net/post/131355
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Post by japoon on Dec 14, 2018 10:25:13 GMT
Now getting Sparks in Lucky Spins become more difficult in my 5 Accounts observation. Most of the time, I reset for 20 times and not even seen a single Spark appear.
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Post by japoon on Dec 14, 2018 10:26:57 GMT
Moreover, in my 5 Accounts Observation, there is no more 40% and 60% and 80% discount on Noble Materials sold in Lucky Spin Mall. Fxxking IGG made the game harder and harder.
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