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Post by Lastpak✪NFS on Aug 20, 2016 22:06:13 GMT
So, here's my question: Is Vile Songstress viable in the current meta?
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jk, I'm looking for some first-hand experience from those of you who use her. I rarely see her in play and therefore would like to know some of the tweaks or added benefits she can bring to the (shitty) game. I am aware she should be awesome at level 4. However, there are always some hidden uses etc you figure out when using a new hero.
How does she match up against hard-hitting direct dmg decks/spender decks/current meta? Perhaps some spenders who lost against a Vile deck can share some info? What are her must-have talents? Would she be used for an offensive or defensive deck? What are the required/must-have cards for a Vile deck?
Some additional information: - I'm lv 103 - I don't have good/spender cards, just the generic stuff - My playstyle is basically rng and based on Oceanus - I'm f2p - I hover around rank 300-400 in tourney, so you'll know what kind of opponents I have to battle
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Post by barleylime on Aug 21, 2016 3:29:54 GMT
The Requiem skill is weird. The higher the skill, the less damage it deals. At level 1, casts Requiem on 2 creatures most right creatures, it deals 20% of max HP (capped at 1000), and when creature is below 20% HP, will attack its own hero and recover 10% of damage they deal. At level 2, casts Requiem on 2 creatures most right creatures, it deals 19% of max HP (capped at 1000), and when creature is below 24% HP, will attack its own hero and recover 12% of damage they deal. At level 3, casts Requiem on 2 creatures most right creatures, it deals 18% of max HP (capped at 1000), and when creature is below 28% HP, will attack its own hero and recover 14% of damage they deal. I am unable to see level 4, but my guess is casts Requiem on 3 creatures most right creatures, it deals 17% of max HP (capped at 1000), and when creature is below 32% HP, will attack its own hero and recover 16% of damage they deal.
See the weird skill, the higher the level, the less damage it deals. Seems like the purpose of this hero is to keep the creatures under the Requiem spell to live as long as possible while it attacks its own hero. I am still unable to figure out a good deck around Vile Songstress.
The best use I have seen in my play is when Requiem is casted on (1) creatures with Revive or Recycle and (2) high damage creatures. But this is highly based on luck. When Requiem is casted on creatures like Paragon, there's not much benefit because the Torment will still be active.
What are her must-have talents? >> I'm trying to roll Lucidity. Can't quite decide on the other talent. Would she be used for an offensive or defensive deck? >> Based on my interpretation of keeping Requiem creatures alive as long as possible, so I'd assume this is a defensive deck? What are the required/must-have cards for a Vile deck? >> I wish somebody with a good VS deck can share their insights. Or if they have come across a good VS deck, then can share the deck build.
I think it would be better if the skill is casted on random creatures instead of the most right creatures. This VS is a more difficult hero to play than I had imagined.
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Post by Lastpak✪NFS on Aug 21, 2016 4:00:32 GMT
Thank you for your post.
Smart of you to point out the percentages, seems like it is indeed completely based on keeping cards under requiem with the affected cards prolonging their requiem status. Also, lv. 4 indeed is cast on 3 cards.
So it's fair to say, Vile Songstress is a hero that goes for long drawn-out battles. You control your opponents cards whilst trying to weaken their setup(correct me if I'm wrong). This makes me think cards that reduce hp and attack seem suitable and paired with damage over time(killer queen/kitsune/any direct dmg dealer) I could see some sort of deck possibility.
I agree with it being a bit less useful that requiem is triggered on the most right cards, you would have to find the perfect balance between casting requiem on cards and taking those affected cards down. Maybe somebody can give some insight towards this issue.
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Post by icyfist on Aug 21, 2016 4:19:12 GMT
I feel like VS was created to counter Oceanus, affecting rightmost creatures, clones with up to 200% attack & hp+ immunity can put a serious beating on a hero.
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Post by bleblublabliblo on Aug 21, 2016 8:56:07 GMT
This hero needs specific deck of high hp low attack creatures or else they just clear out the disabled cards and the skill become pretty much useless.. It takes very long to activate its skills because of lock down, while the opponent can use 2x skill due to excessive damage taken by lock down cards..
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Post by BK✦нαяιѕн on Aug 21, 2016 9:13:01 GMT
I am still trying to figure this out too
Lvl 4 VS still not getting a feel like accomplished.
Something I did is not having any attack talents like firestorm or maelstrom in hero talents.... That way atleast it saves some rounds.
Seems lucidity is a must to move forward with her
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Post by icezaius on Aug 21, 2016 11:32:04 GMT
I've noticed she's a semi-counter to warlock as well. The damage dealt when prayer clears requiem usually is enough to kill off the creatures affected. As pointed out, she's largely a board control hero. I share the confusion with her though, I never know which deck to attack her with in tourney (i think I just fought you yesterday Lastpak). I wonder if some good voodoo rage control would be ideal with her. You could keep those weaker voodoo crits alive in front of requiemed crits.
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Post by Jonathan on Aug 22, 2016 4:06:05 GMT
I've noticed she's a semi-counter to warlock as well. The damage dealt when prayer clears requiem usually is enough to kill off the creatures affected. As pointed out, she's largely a board control hero. I share the confusion with her though, I never know which deck to attack her with in tourney (i think I just fought you yesterday Lastpak). I wonder if some good voodoo rage control would be ideal with her. You could keep those weaker voodoo crits alive in front of requiemed crits. Actually i saw the same thing. Instead of cleaning the Requiem, Prayer is activating the 2nd part of requiem skill and in case is hp is lower enough is killing the creature. From my point of view this hero is a strong counter to Warlock. Cause it pretty much wipes out the creatures targeted by Requiem (giving that the hp is low) And the good voodoo rage creature work amazing also against Druidess. For this two heroes (Vile & Druidess) is imperious to contain their rage as much as possible. Each one of them manages to cast her ability means "gg wp". My luck was that even if i thought my Curse 1 Paragon was a ... well, a curse. With the proper rune (mine is level 10), and far right (ofc i would put her there not to risk an rqt) i am beating Druidess/Vile Songs like a baus (even if is still gauntlet). For now, this paragon is more important than my FA one. And many can say "Yeah, man but is gauntlet there everyhing is much easier cause no runes". I bet that many of you cannot beat a Druidess deck without runes, tho remember that a druidess player ALWAYS has good equipment also. I am speaking about those F2P whales ofc.
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Post by Yuna on Aug 22, 2016 6:18:05 GMT
Funnily enough, the best counter to Vile Songstress is Vile Songstress 2.0, Warbringer. Rapture damage does not give out any Rage while Requiem'd creatures still give out rage to the hero, be it through their HP loss or through attacking their hero. As long as Warbringer manages to keep some creatures alive, he'll eventually win in a sort of war of attrition.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Aug 22, 2016 6:22:49 GMT
I've noticed she's a semi-counter to warlock as well. The damage dealt when prayer clears requiem usually is enough to kill off the creatures affected. As pointed out, she's largely a board control hero. I share the confusion with her though, I never know which deck to attack her with in tourney (i think I just fought you yesterday Lastpak). I wonder if some good voodoo rage control would be ideal with her. You could keep those weaker voodoo crits alive in front of requiemed crits. Actually i saw the same thing. Instead of cleaning the Requiem, Prayer is activating the 2nd part of requiem skill and in case is hp is lower enough is killing the creature. From my point of view this hero is a strong counter to Warlock. Cause it pretty much wipes out the creatures targeted by Requiem (giving that the hp is low) And the good voodoo rage creature work amazing also against Druidess. For this two heroes (Vile & Druidess) is imperious to contain their rage as much as possible. Each one of them manages to cast her ability means "gg wp". My luck was that even if i thought my Curse 1 Paragon was a ... well, a curse. With the proper rune (mine is level 10), and far right (ofc i would put her there not to risk an rqt) i am beating Druidess/Vile Songs like a baus (even if is still gauntlet). For now, this paragon is more important than my FA one. And many can say "Yeah, man but is gauntlet there everyhing is much easier cause no runes". I bet that many of you cannot beat a Druidess deck without runes, tho remember that a druidess player ALWAYS has good equipment also. I am speaking about those F2P whales ofc. what F2P whales?... it is like saying giant dwarf.... both term cannot exist together...
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Post by japoon on Aug 22, 2016 7:58:23 GMT
I will go for Blademaster if I were you. With the current equipment system, high level Blademaster is OP. (except matching with Druidess)
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Post by Baradead(japooned) on Aug 22, 2016 12:48:39 GMT
I will go for Blademaster if I were you. With the current equipment system, high level Blademaster is OP. (except matching with Druidess) Blademaster was nerfed in last update
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Post by icezaius on Aug 22, 2016 13:49:35 GMT
How was he nerfed? I may have missed this since I don't have him
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Post by Greed_7Sins on Aug 22, 2016 18:25:49 GMT
I use Vile in two of my tourney decks, so I think she's pretty good in current meta. She can stop Oceanus and Captivator in their tracks, and can hold her own against SA. She needs a little luck against Druidess, but honestly which hero doesn't?
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Post by នʛ⋆SexyBob on Aug 22, 2016 19:49:14 GMT
I use Vile in two of my tourney decks, so I think she's pretty good in current meta. She can stop Oceanus and Captivator in their tracks, and can hold her own against SA. She needs a little luck against Druidess, but honestly which hero doesn't? Vile is probably my strongest tourney deck at the moment when fighting top 10. Still get a lot of wins versus druidess since I use double aquas in that deck for rage control.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Aug 22, 2016 23:17:25 GMT
I use Vile in two of my tourney decks, so I think she's pretty good in current meta. She can stop Oceanus and Captivator in their tracks, and can hold her own against SA. She needs a little luck against Druidess, but honestly which hero doesn't? I can't beat Oceanus most of time mainly because I can't roll lucidity and have limited aqua to go around...put so much glory but no lucid and u have 2 vs with Lucid.....depressing man
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Post by Lastpak✪NFS on Aug 22, 2016 23:51:25 GMT
I use Vile in two of my tourney decks, so I think she's pretty good in current meta. She can stop Oceanus and Captivator in their tracks, and can hold her own against SA. She needs a little luck against Druidess, but honestly which hero doesn't? So what do your decks look like? Can you give us some details in regard to my questions from my first post?
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Post by Yuna on Aug 23, 2016 0:27:03 GMT
How was he nerfed? I may have missed this since I don't have him From what I hear (I have literally never used him), his Hero Skill used to deal X% of the damage that whichever the opponent's left-most creature had incurred to all enemy creatures. Obviously, the left-most creatures tend to be the ones who've taken the most damage, so most of the time, this would result in more damage than there should've been. The update fixed that and now each enemy creature only take X% of the amount of damage it's taken.
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Post by Greed_7Sins on Aug 23, 2016 11:06:47 GMT
I use Vile in two of my tourney decks, so I think she's pretty good in current meta. She can stop Oceanus and Captivator in their tracks, and can hold her own against SA. She needs a little luck against Druidess, but honestly which hero doesn't? So what do your decks look like? Can you give us some details in regard to my questions from my first post? Just looke up in tourney, I'm usually top 50
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Post by Lastpak✪NFS on Aug 23, 2016 16:12:49 GMT
So what do your decks look like? Can you give us some details in regard to my questions from my first post? Just looke up in tourney, I'm usually top 50 That won't help, your decks are filled with p2w cards. Never mind.
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Post by Yuna on Aug 23, 2016 17:42:29 GMT
BM's still weird. Inflicted 839 damaged to my pristine undamaged Capricorn. I think it deals the minimum damage (the amount of damage that one's leastdamaged, but still damaged, creature has eaten) on any undamaged creatures.
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Post by Gumba on Aug 24, 2016 8:49:08 GMT
maybe equipment?
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Post by icezaius on Aug 24, 2016 9:58:56 GMT
Equipment screws everything up. And you never have a clue what your opponent has unless they've got a "skill"
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