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Post by ✯ᏒᎧᎦ✯Behemoth on Sept 19, 2016 9:42:53 GMT
So after a while of grinding I currently have 2 thalassa and a dahlia on my alt. As I plan to make this my main with maxed ab I was wondering what would be the best meld for my rec 2. Im know hb is a good option, but disregarding that what would some other options be. Not including very rare creatures. Everything that is farmable from gm and exploring. Any sugggestions are appreciated
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Post by nemesis101 on Sept 20, 2016 6:23:05 GMT
Big whales go for Octavious, F2P players go for Horned Beast.
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Post by monkeylord on Sept 20, 2016 7:04:24 GMT
I got an hb in each tourney deck. They are good all the way to the endgame. Others I like are niddhog, Mimir, and fafnir.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Sept 20, 2016 8:13:01 GMT
Big whales go for Octavious, F2P players go for Horned Beast. u are wrong...f2p don't have r2....
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Post by killaheala on Sept 20, 2016 9:43:46 GMT
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Post by nemesis101 on Sept 20, 2016 13:21:26 GMT
Big whales go for Octavious, F2P players go for Horned Beast. u are wrong...f2p don't have r2.... You're true. Even star players like me don't have recycle 2 and revive.
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Post by Sick. on Sept 20, 2016 13:46:24 GMT
Rec2 is nice to have but its not a real must. I still dont own a rec2 or revive but still reached rank 1 in arena. Tournament is a different story tho xD.
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Post by ✯ᏒᎧᎦ✯Behemoth on Sept 20, 2016 14:36:56 GMT
Thanks for all the suggestions, but if I have the shards for mimir melds, should I go for that or hb? Also ftp can get rec 2 from ab and the gems they give. Completly ftp account btw.
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Post by icezaius on Sept 20, 2016 14:59:34 GMT
I would go hb over Mimir for rec 2. Partly for ease of acquiring copies, cause I think its kind of a toss up skill wise. Also consider QT or royal dragon if you want an easier melded 4*.
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Post by ✯ᏒᎧᎦ✯Behemoth on Sept 20, 2016 15:06:01 GMT
Okey I see, im in no rush melding away my rec 2, but I'd just like to know your reasoning behind it Imm 8 and block vs Imm 7 and dodge.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Sept 20, 2016 16:14:21 GMT
Hb is a choice because of the cost...in terms of skill set it is quite nice with a low cost... personally I would say depends on your deck... example... a warlock deck.. u could put a neander team and a niddhogg rec2 benefits the whole team with earth totem... if u have other hero with no healing, so immunity is beneficial to avoid extra damage.... so depends on team.... I would prefer Mimir over hb of course for it has high damage if u are asking among the two...equipment evasive overwritten the dodge skill.... equipment hit rate can overcome dodge 10 easily if opponent has weak evasive....
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Sept 20, 2016 16:23:49 GMT
Mimirs is good thanks to slightly better immunity and far tankier HP- but dodge>block, 4>6 timer, 17>20 cost and mass heal is generally more useful to your team. Not to mention HB is mega easy to farm by comparison, and Mimirs should be saved for revive melds where it really shines.
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Post by icezaius on Sept 20, 2016 18:33:23 GMT
I agree with all derpy's points. Although it is also a good point about evasive and critical hit equipment making dodge less useful overall. Big factors are cost and ease of farming. If you later decide to meld rec 2 from hb to Mimir, no big loss. If you want to meld rec 2 from Mimir to something else, I guarantee you have a hard time pulling the trigger
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Sept 20, 2016 19:08:44 GMT
I agree with all derpy's points. Although it is also a good point about evasive and critical hit equipment making dodge less useful overall. Big factors are cost and ease of farming. If you later decide to meld rec 2 from hb to Mimir, no big loss. If you want to meld rec 2 from Mimir to something else, I guarantee you have a hard time pulling the trigger I don't think equipment should factor in. Theoretically, you both have equal access and thus cancel each other out- giving dodge the same value as before. If your opponent heavily outweighs your equipment, you're screwed whether you have mimirs or HB.
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Post by icezaius on Sept 20, 2016 22:29:31 GMT
I agree with all derpy's points. Although it is also a good point about evasive and critical hit equipment making dodge less useful overall. Big factors are cost and ease of farming. If you later decide to meld rec 2 from hb to Mimir, no big loss. If you want to meld rec 2 from Mimir to something else, I guarantee you have a hard time pulling the trigger I don't think equipment should factor in. Theoretically, you both have equal access and thus cancel each other out- giving dodge the same value as before. If your opponent heavily outweighs your equipment, you're screwed whether you have mimirs or HB. but in general, equipment does lower the value of dodge. That's all I'm saying
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Post by justnr1k on Sept 20, 2016 22:37:51 GMT
Personally, HB is the best for F2P. Also, upgrade Dodge to the highest possible whenever you can and take it as your highest priority. You won't regret. Mimir's is also good but he's more a Revive carrier than a Rec2 carrier. Fafnir is also really good (basically a human HB with SB instead of MH but harder to farm, anyway, upto dodge 15 is not a joke, almost impossible to kill without bulleye hitters or massive direct damage)
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Post by barleylime on Sept 21, 2016 4:31:32 GMT
I don't think equipment should factor in. Theoretically, you both have equal access and thus cancel each other out- giving dodge the same value as before. If your opponent heavily outweighs your equipment, you're screwed whether you have mimirs or HB. but in general, equipment does lower the value of dodge. That's all I'm saying How so? Wouldn't the battle work this way? 1. Check if attack is successful versus Evasion. If unsuccessful = Miss 2. If #1 successful, then check if attack is successful versus Dodge. If unsuccessful = Miss 3. If #2 successful, then = Hit
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Post by asgarth1980 on Sept 21, 2016 5:53:23 GMT
but in general, equipment does lower the value of dodge. That's all I'm saying How so? Wouldn't the battle work this way? 1. Check if attack is successful versus Evasion. If unsuccessful = Miss 2. If #1 successful, then check if attack is successful versus Dodge. If unsuccessful = Miss 3. If #2 successful, then = Hit I think it is more... if hit rate > evasive rate=> successfully by passing dodge... I have been in battle in gauntlets... I have hit almost 100% all my opponents dodge crits even level >10 as their evasive is very low for my non bull crits....
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Post by នʛ⋆SexyBob on Sept 21, 2016 8:47:57 GMT
Rec 2 hb over mirmir to me. Though mirmir with high battleblow upgrade is a beast.
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Post by killaheala on Sept 21, 2016 10:33:10 GMT
mainly depends with the decks you are facing with...
HB base HP is alot alot LOWER then mimir, i would also take that into considoration.
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Post by Azuk1977✪NFS on Sept 21, 2016 12:23:57 GMT
Some options...Snow Harlot, Alice, Dragon Lord, Kumiho, Ordanace
Oh and speaking of Fafnir and dodge 15...don't forget you could also upgrade immunity to lvl 10
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Post by barleylime on Sept 21, 2016 13:23:04 GMT
How so? Wouldn't the battle work this way? 1. Check if attack is successful versus Evasion. If unsuccessful = Miss 2. If #1 successful, then check if attack is successful versus Dodge. If unsuccessful = Miss 3. If #2 successful, then = Hit I think it is more... if hit rate > evasive rate=> successfully by passing dodge... I have been in battle in gauntlets... I have hit almost 100% all my opponents dodge crits even level >10 as their evasive is very low for my non bull crits.... From your analogy, then Dodge becomes redundant. If I have hit rate 11% and opponent has evasion 10%, and because of my 1% advantage, I can hit crits with Dodge 10 (ie 70%) every time?
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Post by ✯ᏒᎧᎦ✯Behemoth on Sept 21, 2016 13:53:05 GMT
Appreciate all the feedback, think I'll go for hb after all. I'll save kumiho's and the rare stuff for revive melds rather
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Post by asgarth1980 on Sept 21, 2016 14:21:55 GMT
I think it is more... if hit rate > evasive rate=> successfully by passing dodge... I have been in battle in gauntlets... I have hit almost 100% all my opponents dodge crits even level >10 as their evasive is very low for my non bull crits.... From your analogy, then Dodge becomes redundant. If I have hit rate 11% and opponent has evasion 10%, and because of my 1% advantage, I can hit crits with Dodge 10 (ie 70%) every time? I am not sure about the comparison of hit rate vs evasive rate mechanism but from what I see from my personal experience only, some opponent I will always hit their dodge crits... some opponent always hit my dodge crits...it was way different before equipmeny was out that is for sure..
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Post by ironninja on Sept 21, 2016 14:50:29 GMT
From your analogy, then Dodge becomes redundant. If I have hit rate 11% and opponent has evasion 10%, and because of my 1% advantage, I can hit crits with Dodge 10 (ie 70%) every time? I am not sure about the comparison of hit rate vs evasive rate mechanism but from what I see from my personal experience only, some opponent I will always hit their dodge crits... some opponent always hit my dodge crits...it was way different before equipmeny was out that is for sure.. But then you could with just 0.1% hit rate hit every crit on story maps
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Post by icezaius on Sept 22, 2016 0:55:16 GMT
Equipment is just plain broken. Its just hard to tell because no one is completely sure how its supposed to interact with other equipment or even crits sometimes. Only the skills actually make sense
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Post by asgarth1980 on Sept 22, 2016 3:34:25 GMT
For the evasive and hit rate ..anyone wants to conduct experiments... get a friend with lower evasive than ur hit rate... ask the friend to use all dodge crits only... and u to use non bull hitters... no casting of group tactics , light foot etc.... and see how the rate of hitting ... do a few battles and document the successful hit rate through what dodge level?..next repeat with another friend with varying Delta hit and evasive rate...
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Post by barleylime on Sept 22, 2016 8:16:10 GMT
I have Evasion 16.02%. Can add me for testing.
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Post by warlord1981nl on Oct 3, 2016 19:25:47 GMT
I put my R2 on Dullahan, very nice because of Stoneskin/Rebirth combo.
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