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Post by swagking on Sept 25, 2016 14:09:04 GMT
Hey, it's me again. I finally have enough ore shards to get either Oceanus or Arma. But I'm struggling to choose between one. I am a f2p player and I'm most likely not gonna be able to level up my 5 star heroes beyond level 5. Oceanus and Arma have an almost equal distribution in my arena, so it's not that clear to me who is better. I know this decision largely depends on my deck, so here's a list of my creatures. Thx for the help MeldedSac Graboid X1 Sac Twin X1 Instakill Harbinger X1 Instakill Light Brave X1 Disp. Royal Dragon X1 Recycle Horned Beast X2 Immunity 9 Sentry Angel X1 FA Eye of Jonara X1 BB Swordmaster X1 UnmeldedPhantom Lie. X1 Gorgon X1 Death's Angel X2 Spirit Siren X2 Pit Dragon X1 Nidhogg X2 Anathema X1
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Post by opalnera on Sept 25, 2016 14:47:20 GMT
Sorry there is no choice. Oceanus all the way.
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Post by Yuna on Sept 25, 2016 14:53:34 GMT
Armageddon's Hero Skill will sometimes go unusued for several rounds. With the amount of Aquariuses and retreat!Queen Temptresses going around, you don't want to sit on your Rage, you want to use it whenever possible. You also don't have a Paragon to ensure that the opponents' creatures remain dead to be Reanimated.
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Post by Silver on Sept 25, 2016 15:24:02 GMT
Oceanus all the way
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Post by senjuhashirame on Sept 25, 2016 17:35:38 GMT
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Post by ZanderX10 on Sept 25, 2016 17:47:41 GMT
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Post by illuminatimaster on Sept 25, 2016 18:18:29 GMT
Kinda, but not really troll. Vile is better then this two.
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Post by ℜ★God on Sept 25, 2016 19:12:23 GMT
Pick Armageddon if you don't want to be a flaming c*nt.
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Post by icyfist on Sept 25, 2016 20:02:54 GMT
Armageddon is only usable with at least one torment in ur deck. Otherwise, he's trash. Revive/recycle/undying/rebirth MUST be blocked for him to even have a chance against most other 5* heroes
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Post by icyfist on Sept 25, 2016 20:20:28 GMT
On the other hand, if u are fairly low-level, with a decent amount of instakills and disposals, u can exploit opponents' lack of immunity/stoneskin and own nearly every aspect of the game.
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Post by ℜ★God on Sept 25, 2016 20:38:31 GMT
Sorry for confusing you, swagking . One of the things I am known for on this forum is being an extreme anti-Oceanus activist. Here's why Oceanus is f*cking annoying and you should never ever use him: 1) He's broken as s*** and IGG still haven't nerfed him even more than they already have. 2) He automatically clones the strongest enemy card in play because that's totally fair. 3) He can have unlimited clones in play because that's totally fair. 4) Literally everyone uses him and it's honestly one of the reasons why I quit playing. Every other battle you have is versus a f*cking Oceanus. 5) You can't climb super high in Tournament without him because he's such a fair hero and totally isn't overpowered or anything. 6) He's ugly as s*** . 7) Everyone gets Lightfoot on him. Because Lightfoot is such a fair talent and isn't annoying at all >_> 8) And on top of Lightfoot they're also probably gonna have Group Tactics, so good luck hitting their creatures for the first 12 turns of the damn match. 9) Oceanus can make it so that you can use a shitty deck against a great deck and still win because he's such a fair hero. Super fair. 10) He takes absolutely zero skill to use but outperforms most heroes in the game because he's fair. TL;DR I hate Oceanus with a burning passion.
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Post by Baradead(japooned) on Sept 25, 2016 20:53:44 GMT
Sorry for confusing you, swagking . One of the things I am known for on this forum is being an extreme anti-Oceanus activist. Here's why Oceanus is f*cking annoying and you should never ever use him: 1) He's broken as s*** and IGG still haven't nerfed him even more than they already have. 2) He automatically clones the strongest enemy card in play because that's totally fair. 3) He can have unlimited clones in play because that's totally fair. 4) Literally everyone uses him and it's honestly one of the reasons why I quit playing. Every other battle you have is versus a f*cking Oceanus. 5) You can't climb super high in Tournament without him because he's such a fair hero and totally isn't overpowered or anything. 6) He's ugly as s*** . 7) Everyone gets Lightfoot on him. Because Lightfoot is such a fair talent and isn't annoying at all >_> 8) And on top of Lightfoot they're also probably gonna have Group Tactics, so good luck hitting their creatures for the first 12 turns of the damn match. 9) Oceanus can make it so that you can use a shitty deck against a great deck and still win because he's such a fair hero. Super fair. 10) He takes absolutely zero skill to use but outperforms most heroes in the game because he's fair. TL;DR I hate Oceanus with a burning passion. Don't hate. Get Vile)
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Post by ℜ★God on Sept 25, 2016 21:06:32 GMT
Sorry for confusing you, swagking . One of the things I am known for on this forum is being an extreme anti-Oceanus activist. Here's why Oceanus is f*cking annoying and you should never ever use him: 1) He's broken as s*** and IGG still haven't nerfed him even more than they already have. 2) He automatically clones the strongest enemy card in play because that's totally fair. 3) He can have unlimited clones in play because that's totally fair. 4) Literally everyone uses him and it's honestly one of the reasons why I quit playing. Every other battle you have is versus a f*cking Oceanus. 5) You can't climb super high in Tournament without him because he's such a fair hero and totally isn't overpowered or anything. 6) He's ugly as s*** . 7) Everyone gets Lightfoot on him. Because Lightfoot is such a fair talent and isn't annoying at all >_> 8) And on top of Lightfoot they're also probably gonna have Group Tactics, so good luck hitting their creatures for the first 12 turns of the damn match. 9) Oceanus can make it so that you can use a shitty deck against a great deck and still win because he's such a fair hero. Super fair. 10) He takes absolutely zero skill to use but outperforms most heroes in the game because he's fair. TL;DR I hate Oceanus with a burning passion. Don't hate. Get Vile) #TooLateAlreadyQuit
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Post by icezaius on Sept 26, 2016 0:03:34 GMT
You won't regret getting an alchemist. No one gets her, but everyone that does loves her. She's very good, and honestly just extremely fun to use. But I'm not one of those tools who has an Oceanus either, so take that into account:-P
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Post by asgarth1980 on Sept 26, 2016 3:50:04 GMT
You won't regret getting an alchemist. No one gets her, but everyone that does loves her. She's very good, and honestly just extremely fun to use. But I'm not one of those tools who has an Oceanus either, so take that into account:-P agreed that alchemist is good... Oceanus as good as she is, her skill is avoided by lucidity... alchemist deck needs more poison damage , delay, etc... dun over-rely on magic as one mythril and u are dead...but alchemist is one of the few who can learn lucidity which is good
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Post by ℜ★God on Sept 26, 2016 3:52:01 GMT
Alchemist just needs so much damn deck synergy in order to work...
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Post by asgarth1980 on Sept 26, 2016 3:58:02 GMT
Alchemist just needs so much damn deck synergy in order to work... and that of course... to make a good deck requires a lot effort and money.... because alchemist is not like warlock...u need crits with immunity over stone skin and yet do damage /skill which could trigger immunity... example 2 immunity Capricorn, recycle nigghod, immunity paragorn, sac anathema, one immunity arcane knight(1 magic will do) , revive niddhogg, etc...Aquarius.. even arcane sage immunity... sneak nanathema....blight rune and high potency eq....
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Post by japoon on Sept 26, 2016 4:56:51 GMT
I saw too many Armaddegan game. He is full Rage but no creature to animate. Finally your creature kills one, it was revived or recycled by opponent creature. That's shxt!
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Post by lotnar on Sept 26, 2016 6:02:37 GMT
Well, I took Armageddon as my first 5* hero, considering that Oceanus is harder to get (Arma drops a lot from second mine, which I farmed up to first chest) and require couple levels in order to become effective. My results were quite mixed, I got a boost in Arena from range 9x to 5x, went in Trials from 65 to 95 and managed to improve win rate in Gauntlet/Tournaments.
On the other hand, in Arena I could not beat ... Oceanus decks, so the choice is quite obvious if you have enough patience. What is also valid is that the deck is making all the difference, as if you have heavy hitters able to kill couple enemies/round, Arma is going to rock. For me it is situational, but at least directed me to better choices (I hope): farming ore for FA Mythril and Tournament points for Warlock. See you in couple months xD
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Post by asgarth1980 on Sept 26, 2016 6:10:16 GMT
Only way to flourish with Armageddon is must have a lot of area direct dmg...like taurus, Oct, Capri... basically must kill more than 1 crits at any given time...so to avoid recycle and revive by opponent... to make matter worst is Armageddon is morti which has public enemy Alice....so odds are against u if u choose Armageddon...
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Post by icezaius on Sept 26, 2016 9:24:26 GMT
Alchemist just needs so much damn deck synergy in order to work... and that of course... to make a good deck requires a lot effort and money.... because alchemist is not like warlock...u need crits with immunity over stone skin and yet do damage /skill which could trigger immunity... example 2 immunity Capricorn, recycle nigghod, immunity paragorn, sac anathema, one immunity arcane knight(1 magic will do) , revive niddhogg, etc...Aquarius.. even arcane sage immunity... sneak nanathema....blight rune and high potency eq.... you can get around the magic blocking problem pretty decently a few ways that are very farmable. Have a couple or three melded graboids in your deck to deter drone. I have a bb10 graboid and a fa graboid in my alchemist deck. They do really well keeping drone off the field. Another card I use is a plague frost caller. Its really a nice little card for an alchemist deck, and who doesn't have a million frost callers available at all times? You get 2 non magic immunity triggers on every crit, plus 3 more triggers with frostbite. You even get rage control with her if you have a voodoo rune on her (i haven't decided if her rage control is worth having WITH lucidity yet). Plus a bit of lockdown with frostbite if drone isn't out. Highly recommend trying this card with an alchemist
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Post by asgarth1980 on Sept 26, 2016 9:32:56 GMT
and that of course... to make a good deck requires a lot effort and money.... because alchemist is not like warlock...u need crits with immunity over stone skin and yet do damage /skill which could trigger immunity... example 2 immunity Capricorn, recycle nigghod, immunity paragorn, sac anathema, one immunity arcane knight(1 magic will do) , revive niddhogg, etc...Aquarius.. even arcane sage immunity... sneak nanathema....blight rune and high potency eq.... you can get around the magic blocking problem pretty decently a few ways that are very farmable. Have a couple or three melded graboids in your deck to deter drone. I have a bb10 graboid and a fa graboid in my alchemist deck. They do really well keeping drone off the field. Another card I use is a plague frost caller. Its really a nice little card for an alchemist deck, and who doesn't have a million frost callers available at all times? You get 2 non magic immunity triggers on every crit, plus 3 more triggers with frostbite. You even get rage control with her if you have a voodoo rune on her (i haven't decided if her rage control is worth having WITH lucidity yet). Plus a bit of lockdown with frostbite if drone isn't out. Highly recommend trying this card with an alchemist if u put 3 gabloid inside... that leaves u no much space for other cards... going poison route is safer and no need to depend on opponents deck to trigger alchemist skill...
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Post by icezaius on Sept 26, 2016 11:07:11 GMT
Poison route is tough to go though. Capricorn is very hard to come by. Anathema is excellent, but still requires a lot of copies to make melds to have multiples in your deck. Ophiucus? Blood Warlock? I'm not using either of those cards in a good deck. VT is always used to meld sacrifice away. I really like the poison idea, its just a little harder to do. I was trying to give a cheaper easier option that can work well for alchemist. I've been salivating over a Capricorn or any toxicity forever now, just can't seem to land it. I stay right around 400 in tourney with 2 graboids and a frost caller in my alchemist deck. It doesn't sound like the guy deciding what hero to get is anywhere close to upper levels of this game yet (sorry if that's wrong).
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Post by Yuna on Sept 26, 2016 12:04:26 GMT
Poison route is tough to go though. Capricorn is very hard to come by. Anathema is excellent, but still requires a lot of copies to make melds to have multiples in your deck. Ophiucus? Blood Warlock? I'm not using either of those cards in a good deck. VT is always used to meld sacrifice away. I really like the poison idea, its just a little harder to do. I was trying to give a cheaper easier option that can work well for alchemist. I've been salivating over a Capricorn or any toxicity forever now, just can't seem to land it. I stay right around 400 in tourney with 2 graboids and a frost caller in my alchemist deck. It doesn't sound like the guy deciding what hero to get is anywhere close to upper levels of this game yet (sorry if that's wrong). Poison doesn't go through Immunity. I'd rather not keep healing my opponents' Paragons and Queen Temptresses, thank you very much.
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Post by japoon on Sept 26, 2016 12:27:41 GMT
I have tried Posion / Blight combination. As Yuna said, In high-level deck, my Poison is almost useful for they didn't go through the Immunity
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Post by ozzy on Sept 26, 2016 17:06:32 GMT
Even a Lvl7 immunity rune won't heal more than the damage a lvl1 melt armor deals. Really hard to see what some of you are talking about.
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Post by icezaius on Sept 26, 2016 18:59:19 GMT
If I'm up against a deck with enough immunity runes to make a difference, I'm out of league anyway!
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Post by ℳarty on Sept 27, 2016 17:13:25 GMT
I had a lvl 7 alchemist with lucidy and gt ( prot 7-9, can't remember ) and I wouldn't suggest it.
I've spent a lot of time trying to make a better deck than my oceanus with top whale cards and it never worked as good as my other heroes ( even my wl was doing better against top guys ) .
The only thing I liked about her was that rare time where melt armors would trigger multiple time on the sames cards and she could literally clear the whole board in a round or two, but 99% of the time, it didn't happen.
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Post by icezaius on Sept 27, 2016 23:04:57 GMT
I had a lvl 7 alchemist with lucidy and gt ( prot 7-9, can't remember ) and I wouldn't suggest it. I've spent a lot of time trying to make a better deck than my oceanus with top whale cards and it never worked as good as my other heroes ( even my wl was doing better against top guys ) . The only thing I liked about her was that rare time where melt armors would trigger multiple time on the sames cards and she could literally clear the whole board in a round or two, but 99% of the time, it didn't happen. wow! You're literally the 1st person with an alchemist that I've heard not love her. Good to hear another perspective. I'm in the same arena as you Marty, so maybe ill put my best alchemist deck together and fight you whenever I see you to check how I do. I lose a lot to your arena decks normally
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