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Post by ℳarty on Sept 27, 2016 23:54:58 GMT
I had a lvl 7 alchemist with lucidy and gt ( prot 7-9, can't remember ) and I wouldn't suggest it. I've spent a lot of time trying to make a better deck than my oceanus with top whale cards and it never worked as good as my other heroes ( even my wl was doing better against top guys ) . The only thing I liked about her was that rare time where melt armors would trigger multiple time on the sames cards and she could literally clear the whole board in a round or two, but 99% of the time, it didn't happen. wow! You're literally the 1st person with an alchemist that I've heard not love her. Good to hear another perspective. I'm in the same arena as you Marty, so maybe ill put my best alchemist deck together and fight you whenever I see you to check how I do. I lose a lot to your arena decks normally you have to fight Bob alt now as I have quit the game ( for the 42826 times lol ) it's always been her account anyway, she only let me use it when I made a come back, I know, she's that awesome
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Post by icezaius on Sept 28, 2016 1:51:30 GMT
wow! You're literally the 1st person with an alchemist that I've heard not love her. Good to hear another perspective. I'm in the same arena as you Marty, so maybe ill put my best alchemist deck together and fight you whenever I see you to check how I do. I lose a lot to your arena decks normally you have to fight Bob alt now as I have quit the game ( for the 42826 times lol ) it's always been her account anyway, she only let me use it when I made a come back, I know, she's that awesome ahh, ok. Took me a long time to consistently be top 15-20. Its a pretty tough arena.
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Post by trogdordragonman on Dec 6, 2016 20:06:13 GMT
OK everyone I'd like to dredge up the controversial topic of this thread.
Oceanus or Arma!
I'm not opposed to either. They're my next 2 ore mall heroes. Just can't decide who first. So I'll start with a little detail of what I'm working with.
As of right now I have 7 omni hero shards. 95 arma shards. 17 Oceanus shards. And 40k ore. So obviously I can't finish Oceanus yet. But I can finish arma and in a short amount of time have him lvl 4.
I've read this thread a couple times and my situation is slightly different than the one who started it. So details of my cards I'm working with. It will be easier to just give a broad idea of my cards. Too many to rightfully list. I DO NOT have any zodiacs (I DO have Virgo though), I DO NOT have bullseye crits (I DO have 1 paladin fa), I have 1 retreat QT, 1 Paragon (pulling second from guild maps), other notables are chiroptera, tomb raider meh, pyramis/Thisbe, mythril, plenty of disposal, and many 5* crits and lots of 4* crits to include quite a few commonly melded 4* (such as fa graboid, stabbers, recycles, etc.)
And for my heroes I have all 1* to 4* all lvl 5 or above. (Not that I used glory to lvl all of them but I have enough shards of each to make it that far). 5* I have VS lvl 4, blade master lvl 3, Odin lvl 2, Thor lvl 4, and working on judgement in tourney.
Now I feel as though I could benefit from both. But making big decisions like this along with not having a full grasp on proper deck synergy, I need insight. My main deck is neander with Paragon and mythril. I use this deck against every Oceanus deck in tourney and have won all but 1. Primarily cuz he copies my mythril or Paragon and my graboids destroy them as soon as they hit the field. The one time I lost I think Oceanus was lvl 5 or 6. I also have a fairly decent dispose deck but it's still in beta. Lol
I know the majority will say that ideally Oceanus is the way to go (even though God from Royals would call us all conformist idiots! Haha)
So as I understand Oceanus is always a safe and smart bet, he's still a while from being complete and even longer from being a decent lvl 5. But as far as quick and convenient, right now arma can be finished and jumped basically to lvl 4 in about a week.
So after reading this brain numbing post, bahaha, can anyone help a fella out? Thank you
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Post by spizz0 on Dec 6, 2016 20:58:03 GMT
I DO NOT have bullseye crits (I DO have 1 paladin fa), I have 1 retreat QT, 1 Paragon (pulling second from guild maps), other notables are chiroptera, tomb raider meh, pyramis/Thisbe, mythril, plenty of disposal, and many 5* crits and lots of 4* crits to include quite a few commonly melded 4* (such as fa graboid, stabbers, recycles, etc.) Imho Armageddon is not the kind of hero you want to outlast your opponent, thus some high DPS bullseyes are needed for him in order to kill the enemy creatures over and over again (i.e. sac/bb8 pit, sac/sneak anathema etc.). Retreat QT is a must for him (well she is for everyone) and you have. Paragon too and you have. Tomb raider is very good (especially if you can upgrade her skill, but I'm not sure if it scales worthy enough). You definitely should work on BS as stated above and you're OK with arma, although I like Oceanus the most but it's my thought
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Post by soussie on Dec 6, 2016 20:59:57 GMT
armegeddon is decent at level 1 and levels pretty poorly so not worth investing to level 4, it works well with a full disposal/ hard hitting deck. i would just save up ore and wait till you got enough to buy a full hero and to go to level 4 (by that time there might be a new op hero )
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Post by chyj4747 on Dec 6, 2016 21:08:12 GMT
OK everyone I'd like to dredge up the controversial topic of this thread. Oceanus or Arma! ........... So after reading this brain numbing post, bahaha, can anyone help a fella out? Thank you My suggestion: Get Armageddon but do not level up him. Level 1 Arma is enough to use. But actually you already have 95 shards of him so you don't need to waste ore points on him, you can get him for free recently. The rest ore points, leveling up your blade master. With high skill potency equipment, high level blade master is not bad. I point out this because you already have a lv3 BM, otherwise you can keep on leveling up your VS. Oceanus is not that good in later game since you will see a lot of lucidity.
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Post by trogdordragonman on Dec 7, 2016 4:29:49 GMT
Those are all really good inputs. Thank you. So what I'm gathering is... Arma isn't worth leveling so save my ore. Once I have him just leave him at lvl 1 and use the free shards as they come. And also he for sure needs bullseye crits. As I expected. I guess I could meld a few manticore in the mean time. I've got like 20 of them haha and I didn't even think of just getting the free shards to finish arma and save the ore. A thought so easy. This was all very helpful.
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Post by lotnar on Dec 7, 2016 11:32:51 GMT
As I had the same choice to make and I did not had enough patience for a better hero, I took Arma and I am disappointed. If enemy had Paragon or enough recycle/revive crits (which is the norm at high level), Arma's skill will be completely useless. My advice is to be patient and go with the better hero.
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Post by Nafai✪APeXNFS on Dec 7, 2016 12:26:37 GMT
Arma is good for third tournament deck with lot of instakill and disposals. It is hard to have 3 very good deck. With 95 Arma shards go for Arma! Oceanus will be better but in long, long run. Paragon is not such problem, because if it is not immunity Paragon, he is great target for disposal. And as it was said you dont need to level him up. Level 1 Arma with good talents is good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 12:27:04 GMT
With my (free) Hydra I often beat Arma. Oceanus is the much better choice.
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Post by chyj4747 on Dec 7, 2016 16:05:33 GMT
Those are all really good inputs. Thank you. So what I'm gathering is... Arma isn't worth leveling so save my ore. Once I have him just leave him at lvl 1 and use the free shards as they come. And also he for sure needs bullseye crits. As I expected. I guess I could meld a few manticore in the mean time. I've got like 20 of them haha and I didn't even think of just getting the free shards to finish arma and save the ore. A thought so easy. This was all very helpful. For a Arma deck, you need to put at least 2 Disposal+Instakill creatures(one creature with both (S)skills, eg: (S)Instakill Gorgon, (S)Disposal Hellwolf), because hero's skill activates after creatures' (S)skills, which means Disposal or Instakill one enemy creature and Arma can immediately Reanimate it. You will also need Paragon and retreat QT of course. Anathema and Pit Dragon should be your Bullseye choice, I recommend to meld sacrifice on them instead of sneak and bb8. Because with sacrifice rune, it can increase the rage of Arma at the start of the turn(before the timing to check if Arma is full rage or not). Btw, your hero's rage will not increase if your creature is killed by sacrifice. Same idea for increasing the rage at the start of the turn, Injured rune can do the same thing. Good carriers for injured are Manticore and Demonic Templar. Both have Rebirth and their CD is 2. Manticore has Bullseye and DT has Sweeping Blow. Death Knight is not really good although he has rebith and his CD is also 2. Not many players using him and he has better meld options. But if you want to use him, the other 2 runes should be Ambush and Deception, otherwise he cannot do any damage when facing dodge and FA. If you have many rebirth runes, use it instead of deception. Of course you can use other creatures instead. So basically, at the start of your turn, disposal or instakill 1 creature, fill up Arma's rage, finally Reanimate. Btw, Initial Rage rune is also good for Arma. Arma is not very useful at high rank though...He's not bad at mid-high rank. And you have to do something for enemy's retreat QT. With my (free) Hydra I often beat Arma. Oceanus is the much better choice. It depends on decks and your rank. Do you have many stoneskin and high level immunity in your deck? Do your opponents have Torment and many one-hit creatures?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 11:02:41 GMT
Those are all really good inputs. Thank you. So what I'm gathering is... Arma isn't worth leveling so save my ore. Once I have him just leave him at lvl 1 and use the free shards as they come. And also he for sure needs bullseye crits. As I expected. I guess I could meld a few manticore in the mean time. I've got like 20 of them haha and I didn't even think of just getting the free shards to finish arma and save the ore. A thought so easy. This was all very helpful. For a Arma deck, you need to put at least 2 Disposal+Instakill creatures(one creature with both (S)skills, eg: (S)Instakill Gorgon, (S)Disposal Hellwolf), because hero's skill activates after creatures' (S)skills, which means Disposal or Instakill one enemy creature and Arma can immediately Reanimate it. You will also need Paragon and retreat QT of course. Anathema and Pit Dragon should be your Bullseye choice, I recommend to meld sacrifice on them instead of sneak and bb8. Because with sacrifice rune, it can increase the rage of Arma at the start of the turn(before the timing to check if Arma is full rage or not). Btw, your hero's rage will not increase if your creature is killed by sacrifice. Same idea for increasing the rage at the start of the turn, Injured rune can do the same thing. Good carriers for injured are Manticore and Demonic Templar. Both have Rebirth and their CD is 2. Manticore has Bullseye and DT has Sweeping Blow. Death Knight is not really good although he has rebith and his CD is also 2. Not many players using him and he has better meld options. But if you want to use him, the other 2 runes should be Ambush and Deception, otherwise he cannot do any damage when facing dodge and FA. If you have many rebirth runes, use it instead of deception. Of course you can use other creatures instead. So basically, at the start of your turn, disposal or instakill 1 creature, fill up Arma's rage, finally Reanimate. Btw, Initial Rage rune is also good for Arma. Arma is not very useful at high rank though...He's not bad at mid-high rank. And you have to do something for enemy's retreat QT. With my (free) Hydra I often beat Arma. Oceanus is the much better choice. It depends on decks and your rank. Do you have many stoneskin and high level immunity in your deck? Do your opponents have Torment and many one-hit creatures? Thanks for the explanation on how to use Armageddon. As you suggested I play with a lot of immunity and stoneskin, due to all the disposal decks. The best strategy against Argamaddon according to me, is using a lot of recycle (twins with recycle) and revive. And of course taking down Paragon as soon as possible and keeping the rage down with QT-R Also I use an evolved Death Angel. He has the highest costs and is reanimated/cloned first. But with all the immunity and stoneskin, he can't hurt me much.
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Post by trogdordragonman on Dec 8, 2016 13:25:15 GMT
Again thank you all for this great input. And thank you for a basic breakdown of a deck for him. All i need to do is find an anathema and pit dragon. Everything else i have got ready to go. I also took the few peoples advice to get arma. I only had to buy a few shards so i still have almost all 40k left. Got some good skills, just need to spend a little extra time for better ones. Hopefully i can take this info and run with it to better increase my tourney rank. Been bouncing between 1500 and 2500 for weeks now. Maybe Arma or a good BM deck will change this. And since i still have most of my ore i can still get oceanus in the not-so-distant future.
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