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Post by Interrupted on Jan 12, 2017 10:17:47 GMT
Agreed Derpy. I highlighted it was gauntlet w/o runes... Immunity seems to be low and for Kitsune he's (in gauntlet) easy meal. Rages VS a lot as well. Other direct damagers are better, just that. Asgarth helped me understand as stated above. Kitsune with Frost Blade 10 and Forst Blade Rune is powerful against anyone without Dodge or immunity against Basic Damage. Of course he's weak against her, especially when not runed. There are no Direct Damagers (at least ones that inflict massive amounts of direct damage) in the game who also start out with Unbound. Literally all of them are "susceptible" to FB!Kitsune except those who start out with or are melded with Sacrifice. Flame Summoner is far from weak. Filling up the hero's rage meter quickly is not a weakness. It mean you're inflicting massive amounts of damage. Flare Summoner has a massive advantage on this front, however. All of the damage and rage he generated as Direct Damage occurs after a Hero is set cast their Hero Skill. So Heroes do things in a set pattern: Equipment Skills, Hero Skill, Hero Talents. Flare Summoner's Direct Damage is dished out after Hero Skill but before Hero Talents. So let's say the opponent is at 90% rage when Flare Summoner casts Hellfire. Flare Summoner's Turn ends, enemy's turn starts, enemy reached 100% Rage but "mid-turn", so does not cast Hero Skill during that turn. Flare Summoner's team has another turn to try to reduce enemy rage. Even if Flare Summoner fails to reduce the enemy hero's rage during that turn, that's an entire turn of "wasted" rage. The enemy hero will never get to not "waste" Rage. As an added bonus, because Hellfire's damage is inflicted before Hero Talents, it's also inflicted before enemy hero has a chance to increase max HP and heal creatures with Protection (or similar Talents). Well explained. I will however never have a chance to upgrade immunity and put rampart rune. Back to topic: For now only Alice seems to clean Hellfire.
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Post by Interrupted on Jan 12, 2017 11:26:59 GMT
Thanks Yuna again for such a comprehensive explanation.
Alice does clean it except that she does that on entering a play so indeed this can be made to be monster card. And Alice does not die quickly to re-clean. And is a freaking healer herself. I realize now how he works and why the fuss.
Was typing from work so forgot to say thank you again!
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Post by xychant on Jan 12, 2017 12:37:02 GMT
The ragebar was twice a problem. I faced high level warlock and judgment. Especially judment healed everyone and activted it every turn. There was no chance to kill them thx to hellfire . Other then that he helped me a lot so far.
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Post by Interrupted on Jan 12, 2017 13:55:29 GMT
The ragebar was twice a problem. I faced high level warlock and judgment. Especially judment healed everyone and activted it every turn. There was no chance to kill them thx to hellfire . Other then that he helped me a lot so far. I run Warlock against them and he was healing and buffing like mad. Lvl 7 Warlock runed to the teeth. If only his prayer would clean hellfire. But even withouth he does well. And Alice to the help
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Post by Yuna on Jan 12, 2017 15:55:07 GMT
I forgot to mention something: Frost Blade Rune's effect is not contingent on Frost Blade successfully activating. An Unbound creature getting hit by FB10 Kitsune will still eat the direct damage from Frost Blade Rune. Heck, even if Frost Blade fails to even activate against a creature hit by the FB Rune'd creature's Basic Attack (after all, it's not a 100% certainty Frost Blade will be successful and if it fails, the animation does not play), the hit creature still eats the direct damage.
So, yeah, anything that doesn't Dodge or is immune to Basic Damage in a Snow Harlot's like way (i.e. Snow Harlot and Aquarius while Hibernating) is weak towards FB Rune Kitsune.
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Post by bachas on Jan 12, 2017 16:28:25 GMT
I forgot to mention something: Frost Blade Rune's effect is not contingent on Frost Blade successfully activating. An Unbound creature getting hit by FB10 Kitsune will still eat the direct damage from Frost Blade Rune. Heck, even if Frost Blade fails to even activate against a creature hit by the FB Rune'd creature's Basic Attack (after all, it's not a 100% certainty Frost Blade will be successful and if it fails, the animation does not play), the hit creature still eats the direct damage. So, yeah, anything that doesn't Dodge or is immune to Basic Damage in a Snow Harlot's like way (i.e. Snow Harlot and Aquarius while Hibernating) is weak towards FB Rune Kitsune. Does anyone already know the Damage on max rune level?
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jan 12, 2017 17:41:55 GMT
I have been away from game for some time, missed fortress raid and all I see now is multiple hell fire summoners? How did you manage to get so many copies of it?
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Post by Yuna on Jan 12, 2017 17:47:25 GMT
I forgot to mention something: Frost Blade Rune's effect is not contingent on Frost Blade successfully activating. An Unbound creature getting hit by FB10 Kitsune will still eat the direct damage from Frost Blade Rune. Heck, even if Frost Blade fails to even activate against a creature hit by the FB Rune'd creature's Basic Attack (after all, it's not a 100% certainty Frost Blade will be successful and if it fails, the animation does not play), the hit creature still eats the direct damage. So, yeah, anything that doesn't Dodge or is immune to Basic Damage in a Snow Harlot's like way (i.e. Snow Harlot and Aquarius while Hibernating) is weak towards FB Rune Kitsune. Does anyone already know the Damage on max rune level? The news lists all of the damage/rage reduction inflicted by the new runes at each level. But for Frost Blade Rune, it maxes out at 500. Incidentally, I got mine to level 10 today.
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Post by spizz0 on Jan 12, 2017 17:52:27 GMT
I have been away from game for some time, missed fortress raid and all I see now is multiple hell fire summoners? How did you manage to get so many copies of it? Because defending system was broken AF: you basically could deploy 1* hero decks with 3* crits which would last no shorter than 10/15 minutes, no matter how strong the attacker was. This said, you could permanently set defending decks and gather tons of coins without even being disturbed (rewards were being sent each 10 minutes --> almost impossible to miss them). Not to mention that some people got their defending decks stuck even after the event stopped, thus making them gain coins non-stop until they fix it. Hope it's clear enough, I can't explain any better
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jan 12, 2017 18:06:31 GMT
I have been away from game for some time, missed fortress raid and all I see now is multiple hell fire summoners? How did you manage to get so many copies of it? Because defending system was broken AF: you basically could deploy 1* hero decks with 3* crits which would last no shorter than 10/15 minutes, no matter how strong the attacker was. This said, you could permanently set defending decks and gather tons of coins without even being disturbed (rewards were being sent each 10 minutes --> almost impossible to miss them). Not to mention that some people got their defending decks stuck even after the event stopped, thus making them gain coins non-stop until they fix it. Hope it's clear enough, I can't explain any better That explains the coins but does it hand out multiple hellfire summoners too?
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Post by spizz0 on Jan 12, 2017 18:12:22 GMT
That explains the coins but does it hand out multiple hellfire summoners too? That's because people was afraid of the guld mall prices being raised so they rushed as many VS shards / summoners as they could
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Post by icezaius on Jan 12, 2017 19:14:14 GMT
That explains the coins but does it hand out multiple hellfire summoners too? That's because people was afraid of the guld mall prices being raised so they rushed as many VS shards / summoners as they could IGG sent everyone a free one as well. I bought 2, one free, and half a VS from the event. You missed out on a big one Voldrox
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Post by asgarth1980 on Jan 13, 2017 0:29:50 GMT
That's because people was afraid of the guld mall prices being raised so they rushed as many VS shards / summoners as they could IGG sent everyone a free one as well. I bought 2, one free, and half a VS from the event. You missed out on a big one Voldrox basically it was a good day for all those inside especially FTP..
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Post by Yuna on Jan 13, 2017 10:22:46 GMT
Speaking of nothing at all, Flare Summoner sure does love me, the new Flare Summoner Whisperer.
Flare Summoner #1: Yolo'd FA7 Flare Summoner #2: Yolo'd Recycle 2 Flare Summoner #3: Got FA1 through evolution
5 copies and I've already got 3 creatures with my target skills. Gonna have to wait for an attempt at revive!Flare Summoner, I guess.
I was beginning to lose hope in my whispering abilities. But then my latest Octavius got Mass Heal and now this parade of Flare Summoner Whispering. I'm back!
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Post by hologram on Jan 13, 2017 12:11:50 GMT
I just spend 31K gems in Taurus booster to win one Phantom Liege and one Anathema. Then i went to spend about 230 coupons to draw 0 (zero) 5 star creatures. Then I went to transmutation and tried a Sylph 4 time. All failed. Guess my spendings won't buy me luck . I'm also back. Quiting the game . This time for good.
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Post by Cr@ig on Jan 13, 2017 14:33:19 GMT
Judgement seems pretty effective against my single Flare Summoner's Hellfire, at least in map 11-10. Earth's Embrace activated EVERY frigging turn... :-(
Edit: That account doesn't have QT.
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Post by Yuna on Jan 13, 2017 15:02:58 GMT
Judgement seems pretty effective against my single Flare Summoner's Hellfire, at least in map 11-10. Earth's Embrace activated EVERY frigging turn... :-( Edit: That account doesn't have QT.Well, there's your problem.
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Post by Cr@ig on Jan 13, 2017 15:18:00 GMT
Judgement seems pretty effective against my single Flare Summoner's Hellfire, at least in map 11-10. Earth's Embrace activated EVERY frigging turn... :-( Edit: That account doesn't have QT.Well, there's your problem. And, sadly, will continue to be a problem until she gets to maps 14.
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Post by loranneman on Jan 13, 2017 15:22:44 GMT
Judgement seems pretty effective against my single Flare Summoner's Hellfire, at least in map 11-10. Earth's Embrace activated EVERY frigging turn... :-( Edit: That account doesn't have QT.Well, there's your problem. Offtopic: yuna i was super happy..im always rank 11 to 20 in our arena.. 2 days ago.. the number 5 had guildmap deck on and you Had a 3k power deck on at the same time.. so lucky! Thanks for the gems!! Its appreciated
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Post by Yuna on Jan 13, 2017 16:35:38 GMT
Well, there's your problem. Offtopic: yuna i was super happy..im always rank 11 to 20 in our arena.. 2 days ago.. the number 5 had guildmap deck on and you Had a 3k power deck on at the same time.. so lucky! Thanks for the gems!! Its appreciated You're welcome. So you took 1st temporarily?
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Post by loranneman on Jan 13, 2017 19:50:32 GMT
Offtopic: yuna i was super happy..im always rank 11 to 20 in our arena.. 2 days ago.. the number 5 had guildmap deck on and you Had a 3k power deck on at the same time.. so lucky! Thanks for the gems!! Its appreciated You're welcome. So you took 1st temporarily? Yes! 2800 gems ..now im not only ready for 30k bond but also the bronze one;)!
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Post by voldrox [BK] on Jan 14, 2017 8:42:27 GMT
That's because people was afraid of the guld mall prices being raised so they rushed as many VS shards / summoners as they could IGG sent everyone a free one as well. I bought 2, one free, and half a VS from the event. You missed out on a big one Voldrox Now i feel so bad i missed so much. I would have had no issues if Warlock could de-spell Flare summoners, i think it is ridiculous the way it works right now. I have been farming VS for so long not playing frequently too, and then this happens. IGG can't handle new events properly and those who miss them miss a lot. Pure BS.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 16:56:46 GMT
Well, there's your problem. And, sadly, will continue to be a problem until she gets to maps 14. QT is in dungeon 13. However, can't you use a disposal deck? Judgement can't do anything about that. A mortii Hero with a lot a melded Hellwolfs (and a Paragon if you can get one) can be very effective.
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Post by razor on Jan 16, 2017 3:02:51 GMT
Get a QT asap .... 13-4 is easy
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 9:38:04 GMT
Back on topic, I totally hate the free flare summoner. Now *every* deck in the Gauntlet has one. Even the most shittiest deck is possible to rip me off one or two cards because of this unnerfed bugger.
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Post by maxp83 on Jan 16, 2017 10:23:34 GMT
I got sneak on mine through evo should I be happy does it work with his skill
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Post by Yuna on Jan 16, 2017 13:02:15 GMT
I got sneak on mine through evo should I be happy does it work with his skill No. It does not.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Jan 17, 2017 2:23:09 GMT
I got sneak on mine through evo should I be happy does it work with his skill No. It does not. sneak I have seen working and also I have seen not triggering from my replays so I am abit confused
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Post by Yuna on Jan 17, 2017 5:28:44 GMT
sneak I have seen working and also I have seen not triggering from my replays so I am abit confused The times you see sneak activating, it's probably activated against other things, not Hellfire's Burn. Like maybe Aquarius was just played or Anathema threw some Gas Cloud at the creatures.
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Post by BK✦Singing on Jan 17, 2017 6:17:31 GMT
Haven't been able to experience such a fight, but wonder if hellfire can stack more than 3x, if the same flame summoner gets revived.
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