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Post by rembrandt78 on Mar 2, 2017 2:55:30 GMT
Besides the obvious Mythril and SM. Is there any that fit the bill?
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Post by ZanderX10 on Mar 2, 2017 2:58:27 GMT
Pontiff is ok for a f2p variant. Horned beast is still your best bet because of base immunity and dodge.
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Post by dirtyore on Mar 2, 2017 3:25:50 GMT
I have a revive Fafnir. It's a decent card. I reckon that a recycle one would be just as good.
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Post by xychant on Mar 2, 2017 6:19:36 GMT
y fafnir. he is decent to obtain by GM and since the dodge is quiet low you can increase it by essences qquiet good. at least for two levels.
in earlier stages it is swordmaster. saw a few sentry angels but not rly much better then thalassa. you could try sythe or whatwver name it was. even a ares one but that is more of a troll option.
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Post by derpy✪NFS on Mar 2, 2017 7:10:25 GMT
SM definitely the best 4*, there aren't many other good defensive human 4* cards. Fafnir and Pontiff are good as mentioned though better with revive unless you're in a position to get large numbers of them.
Basically though anything with reasonable immunity is generally what you want for revive or recycle. All 4* options will end up inferior to HB and QT because of this.
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Post by 1501✪NFS on Mar 2, 2017 14:15:50 GMT
Most of the best human revive carrier are best human recycler too. Plague doctor, mythril, cancer, fafnir, santa baus etc. FTP friendly should be fafnir, sm, pontiff, mythril.
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Post by Yuna on Mar 2, 2017 14:23:39 GMT
Besides the obvious Mythril and SM. Is there any that fit the bill? Swordmaster's a good Recycler?
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Post by 1501✪NFS on Mar 2, 2017 15:58:41 GMT
Besides the obvious Mythril and SM. Is there any that fit the bill? Swordmaster's a good Recycler? Swordmaster is quite handy especially in the begining phrase of the game for ftp players. It can be considered as one of the best 4* recycler in human faction.
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Post by cozy on Mar 2, 2017 16:23:10 GMT
Besides the obvious Mythril and SM. Is there any that fit the bill? Swordmaster's a good Recycler? Recycler is meant to stay alive long time. Also, timer of 2 is sort of resistance to disposal. In low tournament and early parts of game it performs quite well. No RQT is a big factor.
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Post by ZanderX10 on Mar 2, 2017 16:23:27 GMT
Swordmaster's a good Recycler? Swordmaster is quite handy especially in the begining phrase of the game for ftp players. It can be considered as one of the best 4* recycler in human faction. while recycle swordmaster has its merits I always thought it odd as hb is searchable early on and has base immunity. Swordmaster however is locked behind coupon drops. In addition, for newer players, melding swordmaster with stabthrough for the violence grimiore, explore maps, and gauntlet would be arguably more useful with their first copies.
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Post by ZanderX10 on Mar 2, 2017 16:25:42 GMT
Swordmaster's a good Recycler? Recycler is meant to stay alive long time. Also, timer of 2 is sort of resistance to disposal. In low tournament and early parts of game it performs quite well. No RQT is a big factor. swordmaster is in no way resistant to disposal. This is the biggest flaw in relying on her to be your recycle. Recycle should be safe from disposal to ensure it hits the feild and recycles other creatures who are not.
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Post by cozy on Mar 2, 2017 16:27:06 GMT
Swordmaster is quite handy especially in the begining phrase of the game for ftp players. It can be considered as one of the best 4* recycler in human faction. while recycle swordmaster has its merits I always thought it odd as hb is searchable early on and has base immunity. Swordmaster however is locked behind coupon drops. In addition, for newer players, melding swordmaster with stabthrough for the violence grimiore, explore maps, and gauntlet would be arguably more useful with their first copies. Often you run out of hb and get second thalassa and have gotten a few sm from coupons or explorers reward. For stab there's border ranger and techno Chief. But I do think bl7 swordmaster could be a good priority early.
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Post by ZanderX10 on Mar 2, 2017 17:04:34 GMT
while recycle swordmaster has its merits I always thought it odd as hb is searchable early on and has base immunity. Swordmaster however is locked behind coupon drops. In addition, for newer players, melding swordmaster with stabthrough for the violence grimiore, explore maps, and gauntlet would be arguably more useful with their first copies. Often you run out of hb and get second thalassa and have gotten a few sm from coupons or explorers reward. For stab there's border ranger and techno Chief. But I do think bl7 swordmaster could be a good priority early. I still think saving early copies of sm for stab is a better use of her. Imo a better place holder while building up meld hb reserves would be royal drago because of stoneskin or sentry angel because of base fa. Sentry angel also comes from new account secret codes as well as guild map 1.
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Post by Yuna on Mar 2, 2017 21:06:20 GMT
while recycle swordmaster has its merits I always thought it odd as hb is searchable early on and has base immunity. Swordmaster however is locked behind coupon drops. In addition, for newer players, melding swordmaster with stabthrough for the violence grimiore, explore maps, and gauntlet would be arguably more useful with their first copies. Often you run out of hb and get second thalassa and have gotten a few sm from coupons or explorers reward. For stab there's border ranger and techno Chief. But I do think bl7 swordmaster could be a good priority early. Then you explore some more. It takes times to explore for the creatures you need for a 2nd Thalassa. By the time you've got them, you should've at least have some spare HBs. As for Swordmaster being resistant to Disposal: Nope. Let's say you have a deck full of creatures with timers of 4 and then you have a Swordmaster in there. You draw 3 non-sword masters as your 1st 3 draws. After that, you can draw a Swordmaster whenever, she'll start with a timer of 2, but all of your other creatures will have a timer of 2 as well, a the highest. Because everyone else has a timer of 4. So you draw a 4-timer. By next turn, you draw Swordmaster, but the previous creature will be at 2. And I think Disposal goes from right to left whenever there's a tie. So Swordmaster will still be Disposed of if she's the right-most. Of course, if I'm wrong and ties are resolved left to right, then she's got some protection against Disposal. But not against Instakill. Swordmasters are, as Zander stated, good candidates for Stabthrough. I use 2 Stabthrough Swordmasters to this day for Violence Grimoire V.
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Post by xychant on Mar 2, 2017 21:10:18 GMT
Recycler is meant to stay alive long time. Also, timer of 2 is sort of resistance to disposal. In low tournament and early parts of game it performs quite well. No RQT is a big factor. swordmaster is in no way resistant to disposal. This is the biggest flaw in relying on her to be your recycle. Recycle should be safe from disposal to ensure it hits the feild and7 recycles other creatures who are not. sm as stabthrough is not that good. techno and borderranger have bb or bloodlust and alo higher base ad. your comment is pretty flawed. you say sm is weak against disposal. playtimer 2r is pretty difficult to dispose. you even said sentry is better when he have a timer of 6 and no protection against disposal or magic dmg, while sm have maji shield and fa and for a rec a decent dmg output thx to sweepingblow. and royal dragon have 0 protection while on the field. i rather take the risk and take sm then your mentioned. noneless hb is still way better then the mentioned optiones
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Post by skatje on Mar 2, 2017 21:11:15 GMT
Often you run out of hb and get second thalassa and have gotten a few sm from coupons or explorers reward. For stab there's border ranger and techno Chief. But I do think bl7 swordmaster could be a good priority early. Then you explore some more. It takes times to explore for the creatures you need for a 2nd Thalassa. By the time you've got them, you should've at least have some spare HBs. As for Swordmaster being resistant to Disposal: Nope. Let's say you have a deck full of creatures with timers of 4 and then you have a Swordmaster in there. You draw 3 non-sword masters as your 1st 3 draws. After that, you can draw a Swordmaster whenever, she'll start with a timer of 2, but all of your other creatures will have a timer of 2 as well, a the highest. Because everyone else has a timer of 4. So you draw a 4-timer. By next turn, you draw Swordmaster, but the previous creature will be at 2. And I think Disposal goes from right to left whenever there's a tie. So Swordmaster will still be Disposed of if she's the right-most. Of course, if I'm wrong and ties are resolved left to right, then she's got some protection against Disposal. But not against Instakill. Swordmasters are, as Zander stated, good candidates for Stabthrough. I use 2 Stabthrough Swordmasters to this day for Violence Grimoire V. " If multiple creatures have the same time left on their respective delay timers, Disposal will target the Creature furthest to the right."
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Post by theonehundred on Mar 2, 2017 21:37:05 GMT
actually satyr sentry is decent. even though it's 6 timer, there aren't that many disposals early on. Once it's on field, it has restoration and fa and stays on field for a long time.
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Post by ZanderX10 on Mar 2, 2017 23:02:12 GMT
actually satyr sentry is decent. even though it's 6 timer, there aren't that many disposals early on. Once it's on field, it has restoration and fa and stays on field for a long time. sentry angel
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Post by ZanderX10 on Mar 2, 2017 23:22:55 GMT
swordmaster is in no way resistant to disposal. This is the biggest flaw in relying on her to be your recycle. Recycle should be safe from disposal to ensure it hits the feild and7 recycles other creatures who are not. sm as stabthrough is not that good. techno and borderranger have bb or bloodlust and alo higher base ad. your comment is pretty flawed. you say sm is weak against disposal. playtimer 2r is pretty difficult to dispose. you even said sentry is better when he have a timer of 6 and no protection against disposal or magic dmg, while sm have maji shield and fa and for a rec a decent dmg output thx to sweepingblow. and royal dragon have 0 protection while on the field. i rather take the risk and take sm then your mentioned. noneless hb is still way better then the mentioned optiones 2 wait timer doesn't mean anything. It's only safe if it is drawn during the first round or if you drew a 6 wait creature right before it.
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Post by xychant on Mar 2, 2017 23:31:00 GMT
sm as stabthrough is not that good. techno and borderranger have bb or bloodlust and alo higher base ad. your comment is pretty flawed. you say sm is weak against disposal. playtimer 2r is pretty difficult to dispose. you even said sentry is better when he have a timer of 6 and no protection against disposal or magic dmg, while sm have maji shield and fa and for a rec a decent dmg output thx to sweepingblow. and royal dragon have 0 protection while on the field. i rather take the risk and take sm then your mentioned. noneless hb is still way better then the mentioned optiones 2 wait timer doesn't mean anything. It's only safe if it is drawn during the first round or if you drew a 6 wait creature right before it. still wa better thhen your sentry angel suggestion
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Post by ZanderX10 on Mar 2, 2017 23:37:34 GMT
2 wait timer doesn't mean anything. It's only safe if it is drawn during the first round or if you drew a 6 wait creature right before it. still wa better thhen your sentry angel suggestion in terms of fighting disposal? Sure. But for new players, sentry angel is easier to get multiple copies rather quickly and sm is completely dependent on rng. For first thalassa meld, you probably won't have many copies of sm unless your just planning to sit on the thalass to meld to sm. If that's the case, why not wait for hb? Bt the time you get your second tou should have enougg hb to meld him instead. I wasn't trying to say sm sucks I was saying new players would be better off melding her in such a way that she is usable in multiple game functions and not just main deck.
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Post by Yuna on Mar 2, 2017 23:45:54 GMT
Then you explore some more. It takes times to explore for the creatures you need for a 2nd Thalassa. By the time you've got them, you should've at least have some spare HBs. As for Swordmaster being resistant to Disposal: Nope. Let's say you have a deck full of creatures with timers of 4 and then you have a Swordmaster in there. You draw 3 non-sword masters as your 1st 3 draws. After that, you can draw a Swordmaster whenever, she'll start with a timer of 2, but all of your other creatures will have a timer of 2 as well, a the highest. Because everyone else has a timer of 4. So you draw a 4-timer. By next turn, you draw Swordmaster, but the previous creature will be at 2. And I think Disposal goes from right to left whenever there's a tie. So Swordmaster will still be Disposed of if she's the right-most. Of course, if I'm wrong and ties are resolved left to right, then she's got some protection against Disposal. But not against Instakill. Swordmasters are, as Zander stated, good candidates for Stabthrough. I use 2 Stabthrough Swordmasters to this day for Violence Grimoire V. " If multiple creatures have the same time left on their respective delay timers, Disposal will target the Creature furthest to the right." So I remembered correctly. Yup, no protection against Disposal. The only "protection" Swordmaster has is if you draw another creature after you draw Swordmaster, but then it matters not if she's got a timer of 2 or 4, she'd still be protected. And early game is lousy with Disposal and Instakill, not only on the maps but also in PvP.
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Post by theonehundred on Mar 3, 2017 10:13:14 GMT
sm if drawn will be placed on field first, due to 2 timer. There won't be anything to recycle. And then it will die rather quickly. Sentry Angel can come out when you have plenty to recycle and keep recycling.
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Post by poka on Mar 4, 2017 12:46:47 GMT
To me I will never meld human recycle.. . Horned beast doing very will.. If you want meld I chose fanfir with revvive
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Post by Yuna on Mar 6, 2017 10:42:55 GMT
swordmaster is in no way resistant to disposal. This is the biggest flaw in relying on her to be your recycle. Recycle should be safe from disposal to ensure it hits the feild and7 recycles other creatures who are not. sm as stabthrough is not that good. techno and borderranger have bb or bloodlust and alo higher base ad. your comment is pretty flawed. you say sm is weak against disposal. playtimer 2r is pretty difficult to dispose. you even said sentry is better when he have a timer of 6 and no protection against disposal or magic dmg, while sm have maji shield and fa and for a rec a decent dmg output thx to sweepingblow. and royal dragon have 0 protection while on the field. i rather take the risk and take sm then your mentioned. noneless hb is still way better then the mentioned optiones Nobody said Swordmaster was the best 4-star Human creature to put Stabthrough on? I said that Swordmaster is a good candidate for Stabthrough, i.e. it's one of her better melds. Also, Zander didn't say Swordmaster is 'weak' to Disposal as if it's her one weakness or whatever. We were merely refuting the notion that she was somehow protected against it. Nope, not at all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 16:41:19 GMT
How about Colossus for Recycle? He has high stats for a 4-star (ATK 566 and HP 1725), restoration 5, immu 5 and bloodrage 7. At least some protection against disposal and magic and fysical protection due to his stats and restoration.
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Post by Yuna on Mar 6, 2017 17:07:22 GMT
How about Colossus for Recycle? He has high stats for a 4-star (ATK 566 and HP 1725), restoration 5, immu 5 and bloodrage 7. At least some protection against disposal and magic and fysical protection due to his stats and restoration. She's an okay candidate for Recycle.
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Post by razor on Mar 6, 2017 17:56:16 GMT
Human 4* crits are really not worth melding rec in
But if you insist ....this is my personal opinion
Swordmaster (only cause of tank skillset and 2 timer) > royal drogon ( only cuz of stoneskin) > sentry angel (Frost armour and restoration) > colossus (pretty meh choice but still if u wanna go with something unconventional)
But seriously dude ....HB or harbringer/light brave is way better depending on what kind of deck u play
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Post by ZanderX10 on Mar 6, 2017 18:00:02 GMT
Human 4* crits are really not worth melding rec in But if you insist ....this is my personal opinion Swordmaster (only cause of tank skillset and 2 timer) > royal drogon ( only cuz of stoneskin) > sentry angel (Frost armour and restoration) > colossus (pretty meh choice but still if u wanna go with something unconventional) But seriously dude ....HB or harbringer/light brave is way better depending on what kind of deck u play I did the harbinger and light brave gimmick in my early days of playing dh and I will contest their usefulness. If you only have 1 single recycle then yes, using it with rebirth has its merits, but it falls very short of hb. Having immunity as well as dodge and mass heal br gs full use of every skill while harbinger and light brave both waste a slot with their respective magic skills.
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Post by ℜ★Kaiba on Mar 6, 2017 18:27:25 GMT
i wouldnt waste mats doing a human 4 star rec meld tbh.. just go with HB or QT, its ok to have 1-2 different faction cards in a human or any deck..
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