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Post by ZanderX10 on Mar 23, 2017 13:17:12 GMT
Lesser known fact about sa. Her remove from play effect can persist even of she doesn't kill a card. I have seen her tag a creature and it survived. 2 rounds later it died and was still removed from play.
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Post by icezaius on Mar 23, 2017 13:47:56 GMT
Lesser known fact about sa. Her remove from play effect can persist even of she doesn't kill a card. I have seen her tag a creature and it survived. 2 rounds later it died and was still removed from play. are you sure it wasn't a clone? I've never seen her do that
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Post by ZanderX10 on Mar 23, 2017 14:35:15 GMT
Lesser known fact about sa. Her remove from play effect can persist even of she doesn't kill a card. I have seen her tag a creature and it survived. 2 rounds later it died and was still removed from play. are you sure it wasn't a clone? I've never seen her do that it was MY graboid. This was several months ago. He survived that round, my round, then died on the opponents next round to a basic attacked and was removed from play. Unless it was a bug that has since been fixed it should still be a function of her skill. It's like the chance to remove from play was seperate from her dmg. It debufed my card to be removed once it died even though she didn't kill it.
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Post by spizz0 on Mar 23, 2017 14:37:00 GMT
It was a bug for sure and maybe it has been fixed
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Post by ZanderX10 on Mar 23, 2017 14:40:51 GMT
It was a bug for sure and maybe it has been fixed if it hasn't been fixed (as apparently it hasn't been seen very much and may not have been reported) then it is still a function to watch for. When I saw it I just took it as face value as a mechanic of her skill.
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Post by spizz0 on Mar 23, 2017 15:01:37 GMT
if it hasn't been fixed (as apparently it hasn't been seen very much and may not have been reported) then it is still a function to watch for. When I saw it I just took it as face value as a mechanic of her skill. Maybe Scourge is intended to act as a debuff too, so if the card dies in the same turn (no matter how it dies) then it can be removed. To be honest I'm not well informed about SA
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Post by asgarth1980 on Mar 24, 2017 0:18:43 GMT
if it hasn't been fixed (as apparently it hasn't been seen very much and may not have been reported) then it is still a function to watch for. When I saw it I just took it as face value as a mechanic of her skill. Maybe Scourge is intended to act as a debuff too, so if the card dies in the same turn (no matter how it dies) then it can be removed. To be honest I'm not well informed about SA it could be there maybe a visual bug which sa scourge activated second time? .. anyway i have SA for so long did not see any abnormal thing about her skill and i do watch replays esp tourney.... also regarding the discussion for what to get in mines... if u are not fr ready go for vs as it is a quick good hero as capable as SA.... if u are fr ready go for SA... the fr credits will get u ur vs despite the price exchange increase
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Post by theonehundred on Mar 24, 2017 17:12:13 GMT
all things being equal: level, skill, equip, creatures, VS will destroy SA all day long.
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Post by Riche✪NFS on Mar 24, 2017 19:16:39 GMT
Vile vs Warlock is an interesting match up but in my view I don't see Warlock as a counter merely a fair fight.
If Vile can hold several creatures dormant for even a few turns it is a gigantic swing. The same is true for warlocks power if viles ability is triggered and the creatures won't die, a large number of creatures are heavily damaged but free or a lots of creature effects are active such as those from flare summoner, killer queen or paragon. That is a lot of circumstance where warlock is useful but there are enough times where the activation is a bit meh to make up for the edge elsewhere.
Warlock has a secondary concern. It forces a specific deck build focused around hard to kill creatures or high health decks (often in the top 500 or so of tournament based around Nidhogg and a nearly all Neander deck).
Finally while not a huge concern if you are only now choosing your hero Vile is another level of powerful if both are at level 10.
Regarding the threads question
Assuming equal levels, at levels 1-5 vile is better, at 6-9 it is close but probably by level 9 at least Spirit Arbiter is better; at 10 Vile is better. This is rough and my view. Also not that if you are able to play in fortress raids vile shards are easier to get than spirit arbiter shards. Vile also is very good for beating map 16 (and previous maps but 16 especially) spirit arbiter can't make this claim. This may seem overwhelming but the fact is you spend a lot of time with heroes in the 7-9 bracket. I would still strongly advise choosing vs. Also as tackled in this thread vile has very few counters and spirit arbiter has a few. Spirit arbiter is actively good against warlock.
I'm likely to work toward a three Vile Songstress line up for tournament unless I somehow find a way to get an op hero like Warbringer or Druidess. Its also worth noting that this line up at level 4 is 315000 ore assuming no shards from other sources. A single level 9 spirit arbiter is I believe 536250 ore.
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Post by theonehundred on Mar 24, 2017 19:23:56 GMT
SA is just a better wight. A good wight will beat SA at lower levels.
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Post by theonehundred on Mar 24, 2017 19:27:17 GMT
warlock is good counter to vile. don't match vile against lock. there are much better options against lock though, like anus and army.
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Post by hetmasteen on Mar 24, 2017 22:28:44 GMT
For the majority of players who spend only a moderate to no money and time on this game VS is vastly superior than Warlock.
Let's be real here, you only need a lvl 4 VS to dominate, and without fancy All Vigor hero runes and lvl 8 vitality runes, any creature affected by VS's ability is pretty much a goner even if that dank lvl 10 Warlock cleanses only the lockdown and can't even prevent VS from applying her ability again, and again, and again. Oh, and that sweet cleanse actually deals massive damage to your own VS ability affected creatures...argh!
VS is basically the Druidess for people around my level and I hate her just as much.
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Post by razor on Mar 25, 2017 6:37:23 GMT
Dude ....this should help I have vile at lvl 4 with no fancy cards ....a total f2p setup and I kick arbitars , warlocks , Oceanus , geddons and captivators daily The two hero's I face a bit of problem against are high lvl blademasters and alchemists since most of my cards have immunity or FA so nothing here to undermine vile ....she is really good Another thing warlock may be a counter but still vile can make a mockery of him because when warlock cleanses requiem it deals 1300 damage to the cards before warlocks prayer heals the cards so if you are below 1300 HP which is very normal in the middle of fights for cards like HB and light brave and harbringers that are basically the 4* recyclers .....you are fu***d!!! Warlock is a good counter to vile I agree but its not leakproof
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Post by ZanderX10 on Mar 25, 2017 6:58:19 GMT
Dude ....this should help I have vile at lvl 4 with no fancy cards ....a total f2p setup and I kick arbitars , warlocks , Oceanus , geddons and captivators daily The two hero's I face a bit of problem against are high lvl blademasters and alchemists since most of my cards have immunity or FA so nothing here to undermine vile ....she is really good Another thing warlock may be a counter but still vile can make a mockery of him because when warlock cleanses requiem it deals 1300 damage to the cards before warlocks prayer heals the cards so if you are below 1300 HP which is very normal in the middle of fights for cards like HB and light brave and harbringers that are basically the 4* recyclers .....you are fu***d!!! Warlock is a good counter to vile I agree but its not leakproof if you are fighting harbingers then that explains why you are winning. Any hero can beat any other hero if it's on a weak deck.
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Post by hetmasteen on Mar 25, 2017 7:08:11 GMT
Dude ....this should help I have vile at lvl 4 with no fancy cards ....a total f2p setup and I kick arbitars , warlocks , Oceanus , geddons and captivators daily The two hero's I face a bit of problem against are high lvl blademasters and alchemists since most of my cards have immunity or FA so nothing here to undermine vile ....she is really good Another thing warlock may be a counter but still vile can make a mockery of him because when warlock cleanses requiem it deals 1300 damage to the cards before warlocks prayer heals the cards so if you are below 1300 HP which is very normal in the middle of fights for cards like HB and light brave and harbringers that are basically the 4* recyclers .....you are fu***d!!! Warlock is a good counter to vile I agree but its not leakproof if you are fighting harbingers then that explains why you are winning. Any hero can beat any other hero if it's on a weak deck. A weak deck for people like you and me, but we are in the minority. A majority of decks consist of things like Harbinger and Flame Brave, and I'm guessing the creator of this thread falls into that majority since he's about to get his first 5 start hero with just ore. For most players, Warlock's cleanse means jack s*** in the face of 1300 true damage. We have to remember we play an entirely different game from most players, and for most right now Vile Songstress is queen.
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Post by hetmasteen on Mar 25, 2017 7:09:43 GMT
if you are fighting harbingers then that explains why you are winning. Any hero can beat any other hero if it's on a weak deck. A weak deck for people like you and me, but we are in the minority. A majority of decks consist of things like Harbinger and Flame Brave, and I'm guessing the creator of this thread falls into that majority since he's about to get his first 5 start hero with just ore. For most players, Warlock's cleanse means jack s*** in the face of 1300 true damage. We have to remember we play an entirely different game from most players, and for most right now Vile Songstress is queen. P.S. dude who created this thread, get Vile Songstress before all else if you haven't guessed by now. bahhh double post
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Post by loranneman on May 16, 2017 22:18:03 GMT
Since i got skill equipment of both 40% extra..i have the feeling that my SA lvl6 became better then my vs. I kill crits of 4k with it so almost all die and 2/3 are removed from play.
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Post by asgarth1980 on May 18, 2017 3:33:29 GMT
Since i got skill equipment of both 40% extra..i have the feeling that my SA lvl6 became better then my vs. I kill crits of 4k with it so almost all die and 2/3 are removed from play. those SA user will know SA vs VS... SA trumps as long as u have enough reviver/recyclers...
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Post by Dementia on May 18, 2017 17:46:57 GMT
Thor is obviously the best 5 star hero out there
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Post by ℜ★Kaiba on May 19, 2017 17:22:26 GMT
To the original poster, my advice is go ahead and get vile, get her to lvl 4 and stop. She is going to be a permanent fixture in tourney. When you decide that vile wasn't enough to help you fight bigger players in your arena then start saving ore and go for sa. Shoot for lvl 7. a lot of back and forth here, but this last post by zander says it pretty clearly. As the original poster has stated they are f2p, they don't need to worry about a lot of what's been said in here cause it will likely never apply. Bottom line, it takes significantly less ore to get VS to a very good level than it does for SA. I would go VS for this reason alone as they are both really good heroes. hm.. I had both, Vile lv4 and SA lv8. I had SA way before Vile was released and managed to get her up to lv8. I can honestly say lV8 SA was OP back then. But when people start using a lv4 Vile, i was getting my assed kicked, which made my mind up going for Vile and benching SA.
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