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Post by ksdiegoo on Aug 16, 2017 21:32:43 GMT
I need a new hero so what its the better option right now:
1. Spend 350 gems everyday on the last mine and get Arbiter (lvl 7?) ( i have now 80k minerals). I can get some critics shards too.
2. Spend gems to get wraith hunter (lvl5?). How much do i need for this?
I think that i need spend 60k +-10k in either option.
Thanks for yours opinions
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Post by whitebears on Aug 16, 2017 22:35:18 GMT
If you're new option 1 is better. If you have solid creatures, and assuming that WH>SA, option 2 is better.
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Post by squirreleyez on Aug 17, 2017 1:05:42 GMT
Check this out, I got help and input from a lot of people in writing this, it can guide your decision: deckheroes.freeforums.net/thread/8117/heroes-tier-list-rated-10More importantly though, I'd ask if you have enough to get full Alice bonds (you need 96,660 for full bonds). Make sure you have enough. Don't buy ANYTHING unless you are there, besides Alice bonds. With that out of the way, yeah Wraith Hunter is better, but he is costly in terms of lucky spins. And you'll probably want to get him to at least level 5. Spirit Arbiter is definitely strong, and if you want to spend all your gems on mines, you could... even then I'd advise to probably wait for double days and don't go further than the first 2 chests. Unless you really have a ton of money to spend.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Aug 17, 2017 2:04:23 GMT
Strangely enough vs keeps beating wrath but losing to SA from my experience
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Post by BK✦Singing on Aug 17, 2017 4:37:17 GMT
Strangely enough vs keeps beating wrath but losing to SA from my experience but why is that? WH looks good on paper, is it because himself does less damage or SA can come back again quicker?
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Post by NFS✪Grandfather on Aug 17, 2017 7:40:53 GMT
Strangely enough vs keeps beating wrath but losing to SA from my experience Strangely enough i beat the s#it out of VS with at least 2 times better deck than mine in arena and tournament.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Aug 17, 2017 9:05:31 GMT
Strangely enough vs keeps beating wrath but losing to SA from my experience but why is that? WH looks good on paper, is it because himself does less damage or SA can come back again quicker? this is on my other char that non bs... my runes are top notched so the hp to remove my decks needs to come from the pusuited but a number of times during deadeye casting... half of them cards are requiemed so no card removed but built my rage more... that is only level 5 wh.. i have yet to see level 10... initial deadeye of 2k DMG most of times cannot kill my crucial cards... my rev fs once on field will have 4++k hp... with full protection up to 6k so need pursuited damage to hit... Against SA... a level 9 dealing 5k is a nightmare... verh hard to get all cards above 5k... only druidess can beat SA easily... thats just my view... SA deck being requiemed do not affect the outcome of cards destroyed... whereas wh outcome ia dependant on how many active pursuited cards out there...
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Post by ksdiegoo on Aug 17, 2017 15:04:08 GMT
Thanks for the answers. I have VS lvl 4 and enough to get full Alice bonds. I think i ll wait read more opinions for Wraith Hunter
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Post by towelie on Aug 17, 2017 18:32:55 GMT
Wraith is better overall, but I don't think it's worth spending a lot of gems on unless you're topped out and can't get a druidess. Can get SA for much cheaper or free if you're patient enough. I would spend your gems on something else
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Post by squirreleyez on Aug 17, 2017 20:14:23 GMT
Cost of level 1 Wraith Hunter: 100 shards. 100 shards x 600 LP each = 60,000 LP needed. 10 Lucky spins per day (assuming 0 luck in landing on LP bonus tiles) = 1000 LP. So, it takes 60 days spinning to get to 60,000 LP. GEMS: It cost 900 gems to do 10 lucky spins per day. So 900gems/1000LP.
Level 1 WH = 100 shards required. 60,000 LP total. So 60,000 LP x (900gems/1000LP) = 54,000 gems Level 5 WH = 200 shards required. 120,000 LP total. So 120,000 LP x (900gems/1000LP) = 108,000 gems Level 10 WH = 1,215 shards required. 729,000 LP total. So 729,000 LP x (900gems/1000LP) = 656,100 gems
Realistically though, it's actually quite a bit cheaper because you'll get LP tiles while doing lucky spins... For example, let's say you get on average 200 bonus LP per 10 spins. Adjusted for +200 bonus LP per 10 lucky spins:
Level 1 WH = 60,000 LP x (900gems/1200LP) = 45,000 gems Level 5 WH = 120,000 LP x (900gems/1200LP) = 90,000 gems Level 10 WH = 729,000 LP x (900gems/1200LP) = 546,750 gems
And if you feel like your luck is even better... 300 bonus LP per spin: Level 1 WH = 60,000 LP x (900gems/1300LP) = 41,539 gems Level 5 WH = 120,000 LP x (900gems/1300LP) = 83,077 gems Level 10 WH = 729,000 LP x (900gems/1300LP) = 504,693 gems
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Post by ksdiegoo on Aug 17, 2017 21:51:24 GMT
Cost of level 1 Wraith Hunter: 100 shards. 100 shards x 600 LP each = 60,000 LP needed. 10 Lucky spins per day (assuming 0 luck in landing on LP bonus tiles) = 1000 LP. So, it takes 60 days spinning to get to 60,000 LP. GEMS: It cost 900 gems to do 10 lucky spins per day. So 900gems/1000LP. Level 1 WH = 100 shards required. 60,000 LP total. So 60,000 LP x (900gems/1000LP) = 54,000 gems Level 5 WH = 200 shards required. 120,000 LP total. So 120,000 LP x (900gems/1000LP) = 108,000 gems Level 10 WH = 1,215 shards required. 729,000 LP total. So 729,000 LP x (900gems/1000LP) = 656,100 gems Realistically though, it's actually quite a bit cheaper because you'll get LP tiles while doing lucky spins... For example, let's say you get on average 200 bonus LP per 10 spins. Adjusted for +200 bonus LP per 10 lucky spins: Level 1 WH = 60,000 LP x (900gems/1200LP) = 45,000 gems Level 5 WH = 120,000 LP x (900gems/1200LP) = 90,000 gems Level 10 WH = 729,000 LP x (900gems/1200LP) = 546,750 gems And if you feel like your luck is even better... 300 bonus LP per spin: Level 1 WH = 60,000 LP x (900gems/1300LP) = 41,539 gems Level 5 WH = 120,000 LP x (900gems/1300LP) = 83,077 gems Level 10 WH = 729,000 LP x (900gems/1300LP) = 504,693 gems Thanks a lot man ! This was something i need. PD: Do you think it is enough with level 5 to be effective?
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Post by squirreleyez on Aug 17, 2017 22:09:20 GMT
Cost of level 1 Wraith Hunter: 100 shards. 100 shards x 600 LP each = 60,000 LP needed. 10 Lucky spins per day (assuming 0 luck in landing on LP bonus tiles) = 1000 LP. So, it takes 60 days spinning to get to 60,000 LP. GEMS: It cost 900 gems to do 10 lucky spins per day. So 900gems/1000LP. Level 1 WH = 100 shards required. 60,000 LP total. So 60,000 LP x (900gems/1000LP) = 54,000 gems Level 5 WH = 200 shards required. 120,000 LP total. So 120,000 LP x (900gems/1000LP) = 108,000 gems Level 10 WH = 1,215 shards required. 729,000 LP total. So 729,000 LP x (900gems/1000LP) = 656,100 gems Realistically though, it's actually quite a bit cheaper because you'll get LP tiles while doing lucky spins... For example, let's say you get on average 200 bonus LP per 10 spins. Adjusted for +200 bonus LP per 10 lucky spins: Level 1 WH = 60,000 LP x (900gems/1200LP) = 45,000 gems Level 5 WH = 120,000 LP x (900gems/1200LP) = 90,000 gems Level 10 WH = 729,000 LP x (900gems/1200LP) = 546,750 gems And if you feel like your luck is even better... 300 bonus LP per spin: Level 1 WH = 60,000 LP x (900gems/1300LP) = 41,539 gems Level 5 WH = 120,000 LP x (900gems/1300LP) = 83,077 gems Level 10 WH = 729,000 LP x (900gems/1300LP) = 504,693 gemsEDIT: In light of what other's have said, I think you will generally get more than 1200LP per 10 spins. This can make it significantly cheaper. I'm just not sure what that usually is. Thanks a lot man ! This was something i need. PD: Do you think it is enough with level 5 to be effective? Level 5 is important because you mark 3 targets with your ability. I'd aim for that level at least, yes.
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Post by NFS✪Grandfather on Aug 17, 2017 22:12:50 GMT
Im using Hunter as my main hero. I got it in few days after he was introduced in game. About gem cost to get him: I spent 31.5k gems, thats very cheap because i had (and still have) very very good luck in Lucky Spin, i usually land on 500 lp spot almost every time i do 10 spins sometimes 2 times during 10 spins. Also i landed few times on 1.000 lp spots and one time on 5.000 lp spot. As for hes efficients: lvl 5 is must, because on lvl 5 he marks 3 cards with Deadeye and deals 1900 damage thats, compared to SA lvl 5, huge diference. So your focus if get him is to make him lvl 5. The more lvl you make the bigger damage he deals so you cant mistake if you make him above lvl 5, personaly my goal is lvl 6 because i like more 2.000 to 3 cards than 1.900 to 3 cards Overall i didnt regret a second for getting him, hes sooo much fun to play with and it have great use in way of removing carda from play. You have my support if want to get him.
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Post by squirreleyez on Aug 17, 2017 22:38:08 GMT
Im using Hunter as my main hero. I got it in few days after he was introduced in game. About gem cost to get him: I spent 31.5k gems, thats very cheap because i had (and still have) very very good luck in Lucky Spin, i usually land on 500 lp spot almost every time i do 10 spins sometimes 2 times during 10 spins. Also i landed few times on 1.000 lp spots and one time on 5.000 lp spot. As for hes efficients: lvl 5 is must, because on lvl 5 he marks 3 cards with Deadeye and deals 1900 damage thats, compared to SA lvl 5, huge diference. So your focus if get him is to make him lvl 5. The more lvl you make the bigger damage he deals so you cant mistake if you make him above lvl 5, personaly my goal is lvl 6 because i like more 2.000 to 3 cards than 1.900 to 3 cards Overall i didnt regret a second for getting him, hes sooo much fun to play with and it have great use in way of removing carda from play. You have my support if want to get him. I wonder what the average LP is per 10 spins then, hmmm. Definitely makes getting a high level one a lot more feasible.
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Post by ksdiegoo on Aug 18, 2017 1:22:26 GMT
Im using Hunter as my main hero. I got it in few days after he was introduced in game. About gem cost to get him: I spent 31.5k gems, thats very cheap because i had (and still have) very very good luck in Lucky Spin, i usually land on 500 lp spot almost every time i do 10 spins sometimes 2 times during 10 spins. Also i landed few times on 1.000 lp spots and one time on 5.000 lp spot. As for hes efficients: lvl 5 is must, because on lvl 5 he marks 3 cards with Deadeye and deals 1900 damage thats, compared to SA lvl 5, huge diference. So your focus if get him is to make him lvl 5. The more lvl you make the bigger damage he deals so you cant mistake if you make him above lvl 5, personaly my goal is lvl 6 because i like more 2.000 to 3 cards than 1.900 to 3 cards Overall i didnt regret a second for getting him, hes sooo much fun to play with and it have great use in way of removing carda from play. You have my support if want to get him. Thanks for the info ! What are the condition to remove a card from the game with this heroe? If i kill a card in that turn with the octavius's damage or a basic attack the card is removed?
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Post by squirreleyez on Aug 18, 2017 1:28:36 GMT
Im using Hunter as my main hero. I got it in few days after he was introduced in game. About gem cost to get him: I spent 31.5k gems, thats very cheap because i had (and still have) very very good luck in Lucky Spin, i usually land on 500 lp spot almost every time i do 10 spins sometimes 2 times during 10 spins. Also i landed few times on 1.000 lp spots and one time on 5.000 lp spot. As for hes efficients: lvl 5 is must, because on lvl 5 he marks 3 cards with Deadeye and deals 1900 damage thats, compared to SA lvl 5, huge diference. So your focus if get him is to make him lvl 5. The more lvl you make the bigger damage he deals so you cant mistake if you make him above lvl 5, personaly my goal is lvl 6 because i like more 2.000 to 3 cards than 1.900 to 3 cards Overall i didnt regret a second for getting him, hes sooo much fun to play with and it have great use in way of removing carda from play. You have my support if want to get him. Thanks for the info ! What are the condition to remove a card from the game with this heroe? If i kill a card in that turn with the octavius's damage or a basic attack the card is removed? No. What removes the creatures is the Deadeye damage itself (this in itself is significant!), and the special 500 damage each of your Mortii/Neander creatures do to each marked creature when they take their turn.
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Post by NFS✪Grandfather on Aug 18, 2017 5:43:48 GMT
Yes, like he said. Deadeye damage itself can remove it and damage from Pursuited cards. If marked cards get killed by any skill (like gas cloud or toxicity, or any hero talent like cull or flaming) it wont be removied just dead, its same if basic attack kill marked card, also it will be dead not removed.
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Post by asgarth1980 on Aug 18, 2017 10:24:39 GMT
Thanks for the info ! What are the condition to remove a card from the game with this heroe? If i kill a card in that turn with the octavius's damage or a basic attack the card is removed? No. What removes the creatures is the Deadeye damage itself (this in itself is significant!), and the special 500 damage each of your Mortii/Neander creatures do to each marked creature when they take their turn. thats is the thing... this triggers point at times can help u or at times can kill u Aqua.. triggering the first deadeye will.not killl it since diamond dust will trigger and stuns everything else so pursuited cards failed If u have a big sac card ... killing by pursuited deadeye is hard... in fact some big card may end up killing and not shattering. Lockdown from requeim to delay to freeze is bad for deadeye the only good thing is this hero is offensive hero so against bs user... ur card wll be zero attk so deadeye shattering could trigger more often. I still like my SA9 more ... both arr equally weak against druidy.. but i am certain SA9 is better than vs... SA vs WH... i pick SA
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Post by smash00 on Aug 18, 2017 14:48:48 GMT
Cost of level 1 Wraith Hunter: 100 shards. 100 shards x 600 LP each = 60,000 LP needed. 10 Lucky spins per day (assuming 0 luck in landing on LP bonus tiles) = 1000 LP. So, it takes 60 days spinning to get to 60,000 LP. GEMS: It cost 900 gems to do 10 lucky spins per day. So 900gems/1000LP. Level 1 WH = 100 shards required. 60,000 LP total. So 60,000 LP x (900gems/1000LP) = 54,000 gems Level 5 WH = 200 shards required. 120,000 LP total. So 120,000 LP x (900gems/1000LP) = 108,000 gems Level 10 WH = 1,215 shards required. 729,000 LP total. So 729,000 LP x (900gems/1000LP) = 656,100 gems Realistically though, it's actually quite a bit cheaper because you'll get LP tiles while doing lucky spins... For example, let's say you get on average 200 bonus LP per 10 spins. Adjusted for +200 bonus LP per 10 lucky spins: Level 1 WH = 60,000 LP x (900gems/1200LP) = 45,000 gems Level 5 WH = 120,000 LP x (900gems/1200LP) = 90,000 gems Level 10 WH = 729,000 LP x (900gems/1200LP) = 546,750 gems And if you feel like your luck is even better... 300 bonus LP per spin: Level 1 WH = 60,000 LP x (900gems/1300LP) = 41,539 gems Level 5 WH = 120,000 LP x (900gems/1300LP) = 83,077 gems Level 10 WH = 729,000 LP x (900gems/1300LP) = 504,693 gems You can easily calculate with 30-40k gems for 100 shards. For sure not 45k... That is a lot of difference. So redo it with around 35-37k to have a realisitc picture. So unlucky is max 40k. Lucky is around 30-35k
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Post by squirreleyez on Aug 18, 2017 15:46:41 GMT
Give more accurate estimates on actual cost of level 1 WH, here is the new formula.
Assuming WH cost 36,000 gems, means: 100 WH shards = 60,000LP = 36,000 gems. The LP you get for each gems is a 36,000gems/60,000LP = .6 gem / 1 LP. Normalizing this to the cost of a full cycle of 10 lucky spins with 900 gems spent is 900/.6 =
1,500 LP per 10 Lucky Spins on average.
Level 1 WH = 60,000 LP x (900gems/1500LP) = 36,000 gems Level 5 WH = 120,000 LP x (900gems/1500LP) = 72,000 gems Level 10 WH = 729,000 LP x (900gems/1500LP) = 437,400 gems
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Post by ksdiegoo on Aug 19, 2017 14:54:21 GMT
I think ill go for wraith hunter, thanks you all !
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Post by barleylime on Aug 20, 2017 8:05:21 GMT
How come Wraith Hunter need more Glory when upgrading the Skill? VS talent from 4 to 5 only need 20k Glory. WH from level 3 to 4 need 30k Glory Is this a bug or something?
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Post by NFS✪Grandfather on Aug 20, 2017 9:32:43 GMT
How come Wraith Hunter need more Glory when upgrading the Skill? VS talent from 4 to 5 only need 20k Glory. WH from level 3 to 4 need 30k Glory Is this a bug or something? I think i used 30k glory when i was upgrading him from 4 to 5,have to chek how much it takes from 5 to 6, i be right back.
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Post by NFS✪Grandfather on Aug 20, 2017 9:53:37 GMT
For upgrading hes skill from 5 to 6 lvl it needs 50k glory...prepare yourself on time
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