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Post by nufan on Aug 22, 2017 15:57:24 GMT
hi, lately i have been luck and my deck improved a lot in term of available cards (ok, nothing like octavius and co, but still). problem is i feel a little owerwhelmed and i found difficult to field the best deck. i am mainly looking at improving my tournament (atm 2500-3000), arena (not going higher than 60) and trials (stuck arount 100).beside Oceanus (lv 1) and Judgment (lv 2), i have as 4 stars heroes: berseker (lv 10), wight (9), royal guard (7), paw master (8) and predator (6) my main deck is atm: Oceanus with: Mimir revive, NH revive, HB recyvle; sagittarius; michael i9; valkyrie i9; Ash beast (life sap); 2 QT retreat; these are the cards i have: mortii | faen | nantii | human | 5 STARS | 5 STARS | 5 STARS | 5 STARS | - gemini - 2 gorgon - phantom lord - Death knight - 2 Pit dragon - 2 Terror dragon - 3 Spirit siren - Magmus - Deaths angel - death kight - 4 blood letter - 2 undyng will - Lilith
| - Mimir tree (revive) - Ash beast (life sap) - mimir tree unmelded - sagittarius - Yggdyrad - 2 hanuman - 2 phoenix - Moon guardian
| - Nidhogg (revive) - 3 unmelded nidhogg - Oinari - 2 yeti - Abandon - anthema (miss a copy for sac8) - 3 spider queen - Tidal siren - quetzalcoatl | - Titania - Mythrill drone - Arcane sage - Leo - Pontiff - 2 ares - azure dragon - fafnir | 4 STARS MELDED | 4 STARS MELDED | 4 STARS MELDED | 4 STARS MELDED |
- 3 hell kinght (FA) - harbringer (recycle 2) - harbiringer (instakill) - eye of jonara (FA) - 2 Queen temptress (retreat) - cave dragon (FA) |
- valkyrie (i9) - Naga mistress (FA) - Naga mistress (immunity 7) - 2 HB (recyvle) - Light brave (instakill) - Trant elder (FA) - lord pegasus (FA) - flame brave (incinerate 8)
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- Graboid (sacrifice 8) - graboid (stabtrough) - Twins (sacrifice 8) - twins (FA) - 3 chief panther (FA) - Raptor (stoneskin) - 2 Neander giant (FA) - neanmazon (FA) | - michael (i9) - 2 royal dragon (disposal) - 2 oracle (FA) - sword master (recycle) - griffi knight (FA) - 3 sentry angel (i7 and i9) - technochief (stabtrough) - 2 swordmaster (stabtrough) |
is there anyone willing to help me (deck compositions and/or meld to go for) ? any suggestion is welcome thank you very much
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Aug 22, 2017 17:58:38 GMT
Wow, with 2 revives and an r2 you should be ranking much higher. The only thing you are really missing is Paragon. You do seem to be missing some free giveaways too, flame summoner is an obvious one.
You want to be pushing the mines for an L4 VS - this is a big power jump. As you already have an Oceanus you could try levelling him up a bit. I havn't got him so I don't know how strong he is at L1, what talents does he have? Group tactics would help you out alot at those levels. Get protection too, it doesn't have to be too high level as it doesn't scale fantastically for the GP cost to upgrade.
Not so keen on the lifesap Ash, and your Nidd is pretty wasted in that deck. The Sac Anth will be a big boost (especially with 2 reviver's) - I would be running one of the other sac until its finished. FA twins and graboids are useful to pair with Nidd, you could also go BB8 graboid and run the sac twins.
Do you have any good runes? you can farm vitality and violence pretty easy in the grimore, and purple proteans with a dencent hero HP rune (see other posts on these). A decent sac rune would help too, L6/7 - but with multiple reveves you might be OK.
Without flame summoner look for killer queen for the direct damage, she pairs well with revive too. Also try runing up your drone (and maybe evolving him if you have spare cost), he can be pretty useful.
Also, get yourself a bunch of disposal hellwolves - they are super useful at that tourney level as well as in the gauntlet.
You could also try evolving a few of your better 5*s, I got an FA arcane out for that - if you can afford the extra cost then upgrade them if you use it and the stat gain is good (check the wiki) - especially if you are going to be melding them in the future
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Post by squirreleyez on Aug 22, 2017 18:06:52 GMT
Some of your cards are better than mine (melded revives. I'm at 0 still...), but I'm sitting around 1200 tourney atm. I think this is because my hero, Vile Songstress level 4 (protection, lucidity, group tactics) is pretty strong. I can fairly consistently (I'd say 70%) clear 120 trials on auto even.
Your Oceanus is not strong at level 1. Judgement probably needs a lot of great cards to carry him. What I'm saying is that your cards aren't holding you back right now, it's more your heroes. Check your talents too! Max them out if you can. Work on runes especially vitality 5, and violence 5, and your hero runes can be a huuuuuge help.
As far as the tourney decks go, right now where you are at, I'd take Wight, Berserker, and Oceanus, and just build decks around their strengths.
Hope that might give you some ideas!
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Post by chyj4747 on Aug 22, 2017 19:04:56 GMT
1. Ash beast meld life sap? If yes, change it to frost blade 10 or warlust 9+ or battleblow8. In old version, Ash Beast with frost armor is good, for now Rampart is much better than fa, but I still prefer the 3 skills recommended before. Btw, warlust is only for manual battle. 2. Meld (s)Reive from Oinari to Spirit Siren. 3. BB8 Pit Dragon, (s)Instakill Gorgon(voodoo rune), (s)Disposal Undyng Will 4. lv up Sagittarius to 15 5. Save your 4 I9 Neanders for other creatures. Never meld something like Revive Spider Queen. Also save one Tempest 9 from Yeti(maybe you will never use it, or maybe some day you will get Flourish rune or something else). 6. You need more retreat QT for tournament. At least 3. 7. Ok...I just saw you have melded 3 I9 creatures, lol, where do you get so many I9? 8. Better to meld Recycle 2 from Harbinger to Horned Beast 9. Treant Guide is a good 3* card. Since it is 3*, you cannot meld FA and Immunity to it. But, you can meld Dodge 8(Arcane Hunter and Ares). 10. Get lv4 VS from mine. 11. Lv4 Oceanus is required if you want to use him. Lv5 is better, but you may not use him in the end game so upgrading him to higher level is not neccessary.
Here is my suggestion for cards you have now. Main deck: Cost 20 Mimir's Tree Revive 21 Nidhogg Revive 16 Queen Temptress Retreat 16 Queen Temptress Retreat 16 Harbinger Recycle 2 19 Gemini 17 Michael Immunity 9 17 The Twins Sacrifice 8(if does not have rune, then use the FA one) 23 Sagittarius(lv15) Total: 9 cards, cost 165(the deck you list has cost 163)
Tournament decks: 1. Oceanus(Protection, Lightfoot, Group Tactics): MT Revive, Ash Beast, Sagittarius, HB Recycle, Flame Brave with fire rune, Treant Elder, Naga Mistress X2, QT Retreat 2. Berserker(Aura, Full Alert, Spiky Bits): Nidhogg Revive, Oinari, Anathema, The Twins FA, Abandon, HB Recycle, Graboid Sac8, The Twins Sac8, Spirit Siren with high lv voodoo rune (if Sac Graboid and Twins do not have Sac rune, change to other creatures) 3. Wight(Aura, Undying, 3rd talent up to you, recommend Firestorm): Harbinger Recycle 2, Swordmaster Recycle, QT Retreat, Gemini, Hell Knight, Magmus, Eye of Jonara, Michael, Death's Angel
Other: You have Leo and Azure Dragon, which are good for guild maps. 2 sweepingblow+stabtrough are enough for Violence Grimoire. But you need Zora Marauder, lv4 is enough. VS can easily beat Vitality Grimoire, so you need to farm her. Although Lv8 Defiler can do the same thing, you will not want to waste resource on him. Lv up Judgement to at least Lv4 for future Protean Grimoire.
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Post by nufan on Aug 23, 2017 8:21:50 GMT
hi! thank you VERY much for all these detailed answers, i did not expect so much i'll try to answer to the differents points: - missing paragon: i am working toward that! unluckily i am in a guild with a lot of very active players and it is hard to get several shards. but i am only 3 away from having her - flame summoner: never got that, but maybe because i am on french server - VS: my main goal atm; this is why i am not evolving oceanus. still miud way though - ash beast: duly noted, if i get more copies i will change its meld - nidhogg: n4k3dm1k3, why do you say it is "wasted"? - meld rebirth from oinari to SS: why not, but wouldn't that be a waste of her rebirth10? - I9: i got those by farming spider queen (but i also got one from coupons or alice bonds i think) - nice ideas for the suggested melds, will try them! - as per tournament decks: chyj4747, thx a lot for the suggestion. i will try that, as well as main deck. only doubt: in all decks there are magic damagers, arent these decks going to be easily beaten by any neander deck?
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Post by nufan on Aug 23, 2017 8:28:00 GMT
ps: on oceanus i have lighfoog and protection, but i never managed to have group tactics. i have restoration (if i remind the english name of it)
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Post by ℳarty on Aug 23, 2017 9:56:50 GMT
You can pm me any questions in French if needed.
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Post by chyj4747 on Aug 23, 2017 14:00:39 GMT
- meld rebirth from oinari to SS: why not, but wouldn't that be a waste of her rebirth10? - as per tournament decks: chyj4747, thx a lot for the suggestion. i will try that, as well as main deck. only doubt: in all decks there are magic damagers, arent these decks going to be easily beaten by any neander deck? Unless you can get many oinari, then meld (D)Revive to her. Otherwise she's useless. But I think you don't have so many mine points to get more oinari. Don't let the Fean deck face Spiky Bits and you'll be fine, there aren't so many players using sharp armor. There is only one creature with magic damage in Berserker and Wight decks. You may argue that in Wight deck, there are 2 magic damage creatures, which are Gemini and Harbinger. But actually Harbinger only target one enemy, and your mortii deck has Undying.
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Aug 23, 2017 15:05:45 GMT
I say Nidhogg is wasted since its not supporting any neander creatures - earth totem L10 gives all other neander creatures, and you don't have any to benefit. Delay can be good (but is terrible for maps due to immunity rune). Still, revive is never wasted - so its less wasted than it is not fully utilised. I have a recycle Nid myself, which is great in a neander deck, but my HBs are better in mixed company. I also have a harbringer recycle which is not fantastic - I suggest using QT instead if you want a mortii carrier. I've not tried the swordmaster recycle - it could be powerful in an oracle deck with warlock I think. Do you use it much, and is it useful? Those 5* neanders aren't good outside anthema, but there are some decent 4* melds available, especially for graboid/twins.
You can play around a little for the tourney decks - I suggest looking at some of the more popular 4* melds listed on this forum for ideas, and look at what is strong in other decks. Beserker, wright + judge/oceanus - use heavy faction bonus's for beserker/wright. As you step up the rankings, spikey bits disappears a little. As long as you don't have a full magic defence deck you probably wont be directly countered by people with it either (also Judgement counters it pretty well).
You don't need an L8 defiler for grimore - I run it with 5 oracles, I think you only need L4 and some healers to make it work - you should 100% be using this (and stabthrough zoro) for tier V runes, at L5 they give +500Hp, +250atk and protean IV L5 give +120 of both. L5 is easy enough to get too feeding white and green runes and I only keep a couple of copies of most blue runes and sacrifice the rest. You can also ditch all the shity purple +stat runes too like humanity, they give decent rune XP. For stabthrough I use 2 border rangers and a techno with a bunch of oracles. Gradoid is the best stabthrough but he has better melds - but it is useful for some of the hero kill maps.
I would say if your missing sac runes and hero HP V you might want to be putting more GP into runes than searching for top tier talents - I've put all my hero GP cards collected over the game and all GP for months into group tactics/lucidity VS and I've got mass charm/freezing dance. I've rolled about 4-5x as much GP into mass charm than I did to get to L9 talents without seeing divine shield, group tactic or lucidity!
Rebirth is not so strong later on, when everyone has a paragon! Just as disposal is not so good when everything has immunity/stoneskin.
If you like Oceanus, you could level him up a bit. It takes 10+20+30+40=100 shards to reach L4, so your L4 Oceanus will cost 75000 ore while L5 VS is 150000 ore. L4 VS is much better though I beleive - I will leave otehrs with the card to say if its worthwhile.
You have a decent zerker GM deck too, I would add a FA graboid or 2 as well - they are pretty decent in tourney too. Go with 2 FA oracles + FA treant for heals and neander damage. Add drone for magic counter and QT on the right for rage, should get 1M+ damage on lots of maps.
I have frostblade ash and its pretty good for the lockdown, but not strong enough for my main deck really - does lifesap ashbeast tank well with the direct damage meta? I find unbound isn't enough to keep you attacking. You would have to buff his HP/atk a fair way with runes/support to make him good I think. Are there any good faen stat boosters you can use? Humans seem to have better options for that.
You have quite a few rare cards I have no idea about, you might be able to build something about some special skills they bring.
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Post by nufan on Aug 24, 2017 8:38:54 GMT
I say Nidhogg is wasted since its not supporting any neander creatures - earth totem L10 gives all other neander creatures, and you don't have any to benefit. Delay can be good (but is terrible for maps due to immunity rune). Still, revive is never wasted - so its less wasted than it is not fully utilised. I have a recycle Nid myself, which is great in a neander deck, but my HBs are better in mixed company. I also have a harbringer recycle which is not fantastic - I suggest using QT instead if you want a mortii carrier. I've not tried the swordmaster recycle - it could be powerful in an oracle deck with warlock I think. Do you use it much, and is it useful? Those 5* neanders aren't good outside anthema, but there are some decent 4* melds available, especially for graboid/twins. You can play around a little for the tourney decks - I suggest looking at some of the more popular 4* melds listed on this forum for ideas, and look at what is strong in other decks. Beserker, wright + judge/oceanus - use heavy faction bonus's for beserker/wright. As you step up the rankings, spikey bits disappears a little. As long as you don't have a full magic defence deck you probably wont be directly countered by people with it either (also Judgement counters it pretty well). You don't need an L8 defiler for grimore - I run it with 5 oracles, I think you only need L4 and some healers to make it work - you should 100% be using this (and stabthrough zoro) for tier V runes, at L5 they give +500Hp, +250atk and protean IV L5 give +120 of both. L5 is easy enough to get too feeding white and green runes and I only keep a couple of copies of most blue runes and sacrifice the rest. You can also ditch all the s*** y purple +stat runes too like humanity, they give decent rune XP. For stabthrough I use 2 border rangers and a techno with a bunch of oracles. Gradoid is the best stabthrough but he has better melds - but it is useful for some of the hero kill maps. I would say if your missing sac runes and hero HP V you might want to be putting more GP into runes than searching for top tier talents - I've put all my hero GP cards collected over the game and all GP for months into group tactics/lucidity VS and I've got mass charm/freezing dance. I've rolled about 4-5x as much GP into mass charm than I did to get to L9 talents without seeing divine shield, group tactic or lucidity! Rebirth is not so strong later on, when everyone has a paragon! Just as disposal is not so good when everything has immunity/stoneskin. If you like Oceanus, you could level him up a bit. It takes 10+20+30+40=100 shards to reach L4, so your L4 Oceanus will cost 75000 ore while L5 VS is 150000 ore. L4 VS is much better though I beleive - I will leave otehrs with the card to say if its worthwhile. You have a decent zerker GM deck too, I would add a FA graboid or 2 as well - they are pretty decent in tourney too. Go with 2 FA oracles + FA treant for heals and neander damage. Add drone for magic counter and QT on the right for rage, should get 1M+ damage on lots of maps. I have frostblade ash and its pretty good for the lockdown, but not strong enough for my main deck really - does lifesap ashbeast tank well with the direct damage meta? I find unbound isn't enough to keep you attacking. You would have to buff his HP/atk a fair way with runes/support to make him good I think. Are there any good faen stat boosters you can use? Humans seem to have better options for that. You have quite a few rare cards I have no idea about, you might be able to build something about some special skills they bring. yeah i also find that harbringer recycle is not great. swordmaster i used her a lot but, as well as HB, i felt that too often she was disposed/eliminated/blocked with magic. i never really tried heavy human deck though. will try to play NH with more neander, then. I GOT PARAGON today very happy ashbeast lifesap is awesome unless infront of FA. fully restores each turn, unless disposed/retreated... that is its main weakness. otherwise i felt it is a good balanced hitter with support.
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Post by nufan on Aug 30, 2017 7:31:17 GMT
the team is happy to announce the arrival of CANCER thanx lost relics
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