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Post by lotnar on Sept 7, 2017 15:00:10 GMT
About Octavius. Was it always immune to Ignite Soul from Angel Prime? It does not exactly match the description. Ignite Soul 'destroys', not 'instakill' or 'remove' Same question about Requiem, Octavius just cleanses itself. Amazing... I (still) hope I read it wrong, are you saying that Octavius is now immune to Requiem?
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Post by NFS✪Grandfather on Sept 7, 2017 15:22:52 GMT
About Octavius. Was it always immune to Ignite Soul from Angel Prime? It does not exactly match the description. Ignite Soul 'destroys', not 'instakill' or 'remove' Same question about Requiem, Octavius just cleanses itself. Amazing... I (still) hope I read it wrong, are you saying that Octavius is now immune to Requiem? Octavian since beggining were able to clean himself from Requiem, its nothing new. As Yuna mentioned only thing that he cant remove is Warmachines Rupture from Crimson Tide. What is new is that Octavian is immune to Blade Shard, that makes him ultimate card counter since this update.
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Post by japoon on Sept 7, 2017 15:54:38 GMT
I (still) hope I read it wrong, are you saying that Octavius is now immune to Requiem? Octavian since beggining were able to clean himself from Requiem, its nothing new. As Yuna mentioned only thing that he cant remove is Warmachines Rupture from Crimson Tide. What is new is that Octavian is immune to Blade Shard, that makes him ultimate card counter since this update. Also Octavius cannot heal from Warbinger Heroes Skill
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Post by ZanderX10 on Sept 7, 2017 19:01:14 GMT
Octavian since beggining were able to clean himself from Requiem, its nothing new. As Yuna mentioned only thing that he cant remove is Warmachines Rupture from Crimson Tide. What is new is that Octavian is immune to Blade Shard, that makes him ultimate card counter since this update. Also Octavius cannot heal from Warbinger Heroes Skill he also can't remove warbringer's debuff. #dbljapooned
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Post by zoso on Sept 7, 2017 23:52:43 GMT
Wow, this change to Libra really sucks!
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Post by Yuna on Sept 8, 2017 15:42:54 GMT
I (still) hope I read it wrong, are you saying that Octavius is now immune to Requiem? Octavian since beggining were able to clean himself from Requiem, its nothing new. As Yuna mentioned only thing that he cant remove is Warmachines Rupture from Crimson Tide. What is new is that Octavian is immune to Blade Shard, that makes him ultimate card counter since this update. It's more like "What's new is that they fixed Octavius so he works properly" as he's supposed to be immune to ATK-lowering skills. They just keep forgetting to account for that when programming in new (or even old things). For a while, it was possible to lower his ATK using the Soul Swap rune for absolutely no logical reason.
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Post by icezaius on Sept 10, 2017 12:57:35 GMT
Octavian since beggining were able to clean himself from Requiem, its nothing new. As Yuna mentioned only thing that he cant remove is Warmachines Rupture from Crimson Tide. What is new is that Octavian is immune to Blade Shard, that makes him ultimate card counter since this update. It's more like "What's new is that they fixed Octavius so he works properly" as he's supposed to be immune to ATK-lowering skills. They just keep forgetting to account for that when programming in new (or even old things). For a while, it was possible to lower his ATK using the Soul Swap rune for absolutely no logical reason. does BS still lower Octavious' hp then?
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Post by japoon on Sept 10, 2017 14:57:54 GMT
Libra become completely rubbish again.
Before Update: 4.5 Stars, Deal a lots of damages and reduce a great number of Druidess Ward. After the Update: RUBBISH
How come?
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Post by Yuna on Sept 10, 2017 17:27:50 GMT
It's more like "What's new is that they fixed Octavius so he works properly" as he's supposed to be immune to ATK-lowering skills. They just keep forgetting to account for that when programming in new (or even old things). For a while, it was possible to lower his ATK using the Soul Swap rune for absolutely no logical reason. does BS still lower Octavious' hp then? Octavius is literally immune to it. It just washes off him like water off a duck's back. If Storm Ward's protecting Octavius, Blade Shard won't even trigger Storm Ward, as it doesn't even count as a hit. As long as your highest ATK creature on the board is an Octavius, Blade Shard becomes completely useless against you.
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Post by japoon on Sept 11, 2017 6:20:25 GMT
does BS still lower Octavious' hp then? Octavius is literally immune to it. It just washes off him like water off a duck's back. If Storm Ward's protecting Octavius, Blade Shard won't even trigger Storm Ward, as it doesn't even count as a hit. As long as your highest ATK creature on the board is an Octavius, Blade Shard becomes completely useless against you. That mean All Deck should build a Octavius and bumping up its ATK in order to counter Blade Shard!
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Post by smash00 on Sept 11, 2017 7:56:09 GMT
Octavius is literally immune to it. It just washes off him like water off a duck's back. If Storm Ward's protecting Octavius, Blade Shard won't even trigger Storm Ward, as it doesn't even count as a hit. As long as your highest ATK creature on the board is an Octavius, Blade Shard becomes completely useless against you. That mean All Deck should build a Octavius and bumping up its ATK in order to counter Blade Shard! Just don't forget that you need to reach the point when Octa is on the field... So basically BS will still get you a few turns and most likely the fight is already done for when your Octa is placed,
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Post by Yuna on Sept 11, 2017 8:19:10 GMT
That mean All Deck should build a Octavius and bumping up its ATK in order to counter Blade Shard! Just don't forget that you need to reach the point when Octa is on the field... So basically BS will still get you a few turns and most likely the fight is already done for when your Octa is placed, Why? Blade Shard no longer one-shots runed up creatures because it tops out at 2x ATK (so rune up your non-Octa crits' HP but not their ATK and you'll be fine most of the time)´. It is also no longer permanent. So if it targets your, say, Ordnance one turn and it survives, it'll target your Ordnance again if it's still your highest ATK creature on the field on the next turn. Place a Rampart rune on Ordnance and it'll keep living to tank. Or use a Hero that heals or protects. Or use a lot of healing. Or any number of things that help your decks not get one-shot by Blade Shard.
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Post by smash00 on Sept 11, 2017 8:35:38 GMT
Just don't forget that you need to reach the point when Octa is on the field... So basically BS will still get you a few turns and most likely the fight is already done for when your Octa is placed, Why? Blade Shard no longer one-shots runed up creatures because it tops out at 2x ATK (so rune up your non-Octa crits' HP but not their ATK and you'll be fine most of the time)´. It is also no longer permanent. So if it targets your, say, Ordnance one turn and it survives, it'll target your Ordnance again if it's still your highest ATK creature on the field on the next turn. Place a Rampart rune on Ordnance and it'll keep living to tank. Or use a Hero that heals or protects. Or use a lot of healing. Or any number of things that help your decks not get one-shot by Blade Shard. I reacted on the Octa deck building. So building your deck around an Octa is not enough as You now wrote it in detail You really need to think over twice what You do in the deck if You want to have a chance against BS.
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Post by Yuna on Sept 11, 2017 8:59:16 GMT
Why? Blade Shard no longer one-shots runed up creatures because it tops out at 2x ATK (so rune up your non-Octa crits' HP but not their ATK and you'll be fine most of the time)´. It is also no longer permanent. So if it targets your, say, Ordnance one turn and it survives, it'll target your Ordnance again if it's still your highest ATK creature on the field on the next turn. Place a Rampart rune on Ordnance and it'll keep living to tank. Or use a Hero that heals or protects. Or use a lot of healing. Or any number of things that help your decks not get one-shot by Blade Shard. I reacted on the Octa deck building. So building your deck around an Octa is not enough as You now wrote it in detail You really need to think over twice what You do in the deck if You want to have a chance against BS. Did I say "All you need is Octavius"? Why are you trying to refute an argument nobody made? Not even japoon said it, he just said that all decks should include (at least) an Octavius.
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Post by smash00 on Sept 11, 2017 9:14:04 GMT
I reacted on the Octa deck building. So building your deck around an Octa is not enough as You now wrote it in detail You really need to think over twice what You do in the deck if You want to have a chance against BS. Did I say "All you need is Octavius"? Why are you trying to refute an argument nobody made? Not even japoon said it, he just said that all decks should include (at least) an Octavius. Ok Your win... This was written "That mean All Deck should build a Octavius..." According to my not native english this could mean as well that You build a deck around Octa to counter BS. build is not equal to include and have accoring to my knowledge. It is used to build a deck or construct a deck, but not a card So the misunderstand most likely came from this.
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Post by nuke on Sept 11, 2017 12:27:33 GMT
Libra become completely rubbish again. Before Update: 4.5 Stars, Deal a lots of damages and reduce a great number of Druidess Ward. After the Update: RUBBISH How come? Because it dared counter druidess. IGG absolutely cannot have that
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Post by Yuna on Sept 11, 2017 13:10:22 GMT
Did I say "All you need is Octavius"? Why are you trying to refute an argument nobody made? Not even japoon said it, he just said that all decks should include (at least) an Octavius. Ok Your win... This was written "That mean All Deck should build a Octavius..." According to my not native english this could mean as well that You build a deck around Octa to counter BS. build is not equal to include and have accoring to my knowledge. It is used to build a deck or construct a deck, but not a card So the misunderstand most likely came from this. No, the most reasonable interpreted of that sentence (which is slightly ungrammatical) is "Every deck should have an Octavius".
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Post by Yuna on Sept 11, 2017 13:10:34 GMT
Libra become completely rubbish again. Before Update: 4.5 Stars, Deal a lots of damages and reduce a great number of Druidess Ward. After the Update: RUBBISH How come? Because it dared counter druidess. IGG absolutely cannot have that It didn't really counter Druidess, though.
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Post by ZanderX10 on Sept 11, 2017 23:07:05 GMT
Because it dared counter druidess. IGG absolutely cannot have that It didn't really counter Druidess, though. it actually kind of does counter druidess now even if only for herself. Ward dmg is low enough that libra can out heal it with balance now and the subsequent dmg ignores wards.
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Post by Yuna on Sept 11, 2017 23:47:27 GMT
It didn't really counter Druidess, though. it actually kind of does counter druidess now even if only for herself. Ward dmg is low enough that libra can out heal it with balance now and the subsequent dmg ignores wards. That's not the argument put forth. The argument put forth originally was that the old Libra (v 2.0) countered Druidess and this is why she (Libra) was changed yet again (to version 3.0). This is untrue.
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Post by ZanderX10 on Sept 12, 2017 0:47:10 GMT
it actually kind of does counter druidess now even if only for herself. Ward dmg is low enough that libra can out heal it with balance now and the subsequent dmg ignores wards. That's not the argument put forth. The argument put forth originally was that the old Libra (v 2.0) countered Druidess and this is why she (Libra) was changed yet again (to version 3.0). This is untrue. I wasn't apart of that argument... I was just saying now she has a natural defense against ward dmg and goes through wards... Her v2 skill was a useful against druidess but I agree with yuna. There is not a LEGITIMATE counter to druidess and she could use a nerf. Not even warbringer is a close match and I think that was their original intention with his development. One hero shouldn't have the best defense AND the best offense with no hard counter. I think the dmg reduction should be scaled back significantly. Rather than 1 dmg I would propose (20%+(5%*lv)) dmg reduction to all sources. This in addition to gloves should be sufficient for most calculations to maintain a heavy defense. I would also propose ward dmg only effect the creature that broke it but that would probably cause a civil war.
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Post by Yuna on Sept 12, 2017 1:59:27 GMT
That's not the argument put forth. The argument put forth originally was that the old Libra (v 2.0) countered Druidess and this is why she (Libra) was changed yet again (to version 3.0). This is untrue. I wasn't apart of that argument... I was just saying now she has a natural defense against ward dmg and goes through wards... Her v2 skill was a useful against druidess but I agree with yuna. There is not a LEGITIMATE counter to druidess and she could use a nerf. Not even warbringer is a close match and I think that was their original intention with his development. One hero shouldn't have the best defense AND the best offense with no hard counter. I think the dmg reduction should be scaled back significantly. Rather than 1 dmg I would propose (20%+(5%*lv)) dmg reduction to all sources. This in addition to gloves should be sufficient for most calculations to maintain a heavy defense. I would also propose ward dmg only effect the creature that broke it but that would probably cause a civil war. You replied to my post, that was a rebuttal of a post arguing that. With "it actually kind of does counter druidess now even if only for herself." Original argument: "Libra was changed because she countered Druidess." Me: "She didn't really counter Druidess." You: "She actually kind of does counter Druidess now" So you were posting an irrelevant non-sequitur?
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Post by ZanderX10 on Sept 12, 2017 2:19:43 GMT
I wasn't apart of that argument... I was just saying now she has a natural defense against ward dmg and goes through wards... Her v2 skill was a useful against druidess but I agree with yuna. There is not a LEGITIMATE counter to druidess and she could use a nerf. Not even warbringer is a close match and I think that was their original intention with his development. One hero shouldn't have the best defense AND the best offense with no hard counter. I think the dmg reduction should be scaled back significantly. Rather than 1 dmg I would propose (20%+(5%*lv)) dmg reduction to all sources. This in addition to gloves should be sufficient for most calculations to maintain a heavy defense. I would also propose ward dmg only effect the creature that broke it but that would probably cause a civil war. You replied to my post, that was a rebuttal of a post arguing that. With "it actually kind of does counter druidess now even if only for herself." Original argument: "Libra was changed because she countered Druidess." Me: "She didn't really counter Druidess." You: "She actually kind of does counter Druidess now" So you were posting an irrelevant non-sequitur? it was tied to the post because of the topic of counters but I added the word NOW to show that I was moving on to post nerf and had nothing to add about pre nerf. I also wasn't trying to be facetious when I clarified, in text it may have seemed so but that's just lack of tone and body language. I was simply clarifying.
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Post by squirreleyez on Sept 12, 2017 2:32:08 GMT
You replied to my post, that was a rebuttal of a post arguing that. With "it actually kind of does counter druidess now even if only for herself." Original argument: "Libra was changed because she countered Druidess." Me: "She didn't really counter Druidess." You: "She actually kind of does counter Druidess now" So you were posting an irrelevant non-sequitur? it was tied to the post because of the topic of counters but I added the word NOW to show that I was moving on to post nerf and had nothing to add about pre nerf. I also wasn't trying to be facetious when I clarified, in text it may have seemed so but that's just lack of tone and body language. I was simply clarifying. Yuna... you've been pretty consistently disrespectful to people on these forums in general. You know a lot, but you could share your opinions in a less antagonizing way. Usually there is a misunderstanding one way or the other.
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Post by Yuna on Sept 12, 2017 8:07:43 GMT
it was tied to the post because of the topic of counters but I added the word NOW to show that I was moving on to post nerf and had nothing to add about pre nerf. I also wasn't trying to be facetious when I clarified, in text it may have seemed so but that's just lack of tone and body language. I was simply clarifying. Yuna... you've been pretty consistently disrespectful to people on these forums in general. You know a lot, but you could share your opinions in a less antagonizing way. Usually there is a misunderstanding one way or the other. Zander and I have a history where I say one thing and he interprets it as another and runs with it. I was just reminding him to not fall back into bad habits. And it was a pretty irrelevant non-sequitur for him to shoehorn in there and then claim he wasn't a part of "that argument" afterwards.
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Post by ZanderX10 on Sept 12, 2017 13:09:12 GMT
Yuna... you've been pretty consistently disrespectful to people on these forums in general. You know a lot, but you could share your opinions in a less antagonizing way. Usually there is a misunderstanding one way or the other. Zander and I have a history where I say one thing and he interprets it as another and runs with it. I was just reminding him to not fall back into bad habits. And it was a pretty irrelevant non-sequitur for him to shoehorn in there and then claim he wasn't a part of "that argument" afterwards. there is a discussion topic on libra in a more encompassing thread about the whole update and I wanted to ado in something specifically about libra. I quoted the closest message relevant to that. History or not, I havnt been hostile in a long time. If it doesn't make sense to you for me to have offered post patch observations about a patch discussion then I guess our brains work differently. If you can get it out of your head that I was trying to argue in some way or change your words then tou could see that I was just adding in information relevant to the subject even if NOT directly relevant to the exact posts already drafted.
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Post by ningthou on Sept 12, 2017 14:22:23 GMT
Well I dont care much about Druidess or some crit giving a counter to Druidess but my vocabulary is increasing thnks to Yuna C:. I googled Non-sequitur(not before I looked again how it was implemented in the sentence) and shoehorn CX. And he apparently plays crosswords? O.o. Though At first, I cudnt believe it(fluent English with badass vocab.) coming from a seemingly Asian dude but hes Swed so I guess that makes sense.
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Post by Yuna on Sept 13, 2017 11:31:52 GMT
Zander and I have a history where I say one thing and he interprets it as another and runs with it. I was just reminding him to not fall back into bad habits. And it was a pretty irrelevant non-sequitur for him to shoehorn in there and then claim he wasn't a part of "that argument" afterwards. there is a discussion topic on libra in a more encompassing thread about the whole update and I wanted to ado in something specifically about libra. I quoted the closest message relevant to that. History or not, I havnt been hostile in a long time. If it doesn't make sense to you for me to have offered post patch observations about a patch discussion then I guess our brains work differently. If you can get it out of your head that I was trying to argue in some way or change your words then tou could see that I was just adding in information relevant to the subject even if NOT directly relevant to the exact posts already drafted. You used key words that implied you were trying to prove me wrong. Not every post you post has to quote someone else, especially if what you have to say isn't directly related to what they said but only nominally related. Me and another user were arguing about her V2 skill and why it was changed. You butted in with a reply about her V3 skill, a reply to a post where I said "No, V2 didn't counter Druidess" with a post that said "But V3 does, though". I didn't say you'd been hostile, I said you acted as if you were jumping into our debate and trying to prove me wrong. If you weren't, then you worded your post very clumsily.
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