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Post by vertigotraveler on Mar 19, 2018 3:00:18 GMT
So, I've been thinking of making this deck for a while and have been farming for the shards very diligently, but I'm not even sure how well it would out. Here's what I was thinking
Hero - Open to any suggestions
1× Sac 8 Graboid with sac level 1 rune 1× Sac 8 Swordmaster with sac level 1 rune
2× Recycle Horned Beast 3× FA 5 Oracle with level FA level 5 rune 2× Disposal Queen Temptress 1× Oinari
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Post by noname on Mar 19, 2018 3:48:55 GMT
1. Get those sac runes to lvl 5 at least 2. 3 FA oracles is too much for a main deck I would suggest keep 1 at most 3. I'm not a fan of disposal on qt if you wanna run disposal put it on hellwolf or something with stoneskin or rebirth. 4.Make at least 2 voodoo QT or retreat qt
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Post by vertigotraveler on Mar 19, 2018 6:02:51 GMT
Thanks! I'll definitely have to find a substitute for those Oracles, I was looking for a major healing deck, but I'm sure there are good subs for that. Maybe a couple of Ash Beasts with Bloodlust 7 to go with the Sac-i-ness of the deck. They also something like Mass Heal 5 or 6 I believe. Or maybe that would be too much focus on heavy hitting and not enough support cards.. Not sure. The runes I'll for sure have to level up, but I was spending so much of my resources on farming all of those Oracles I haven't had much to work with for anything else. And with Queen Temptress I meant to put Retreat, not Disposal lol so we're good there. I was looking at them for Hero Rage control since I don't have a 5* Hero yet. After thinking about it some more I dkn't think I want the Sac 8 on those swordmaster either, I think it would be too much sacrificing to keep up with a decent amount of creatures in play. Probably put Bloodlust 7 on them instead of those Ash Beasts. Any good support cards to help SM with her health?
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Post by zamock on Mar 19, 2018 15:24:31 GMT
There are a handful of heroes that can work with this composition. Looking at you deck layout, it seems you want to go a tanky way, with your main damage dealers being sac crits. I am no fan at all of Disposal QT, but Armageddon would work well with that(maybe dropping 1 FA Oracle). To be honest, disposal is kind of ambiguous here. If you want to do a major healing deck you shouldn't need disposals do get board control.
One more thing to notice is that this deck is very vulnerable to instakill and lockdown. You should consider that if you plan to run it on tournament.
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Post by vertigotraveler on Mar 19, 2018 19:39:35 GMT
You're right, I didn't even think of the agregious amount of Insta and retreat higher level folks have. Maybe this composition would work better
- 1× Dragonlord for hero healing and Immunity plus FA 8 for the instakills and board control - 2× Swordmaster with Bloodlust 7 (because 4 Sac cards in one deck wouldn't do well at all with board control because I would constantly be killing my other Sac cards for a Sac on the one I just played. -2× Graboid with Sac 8 for Tank-i-ness for board control as well and to keep the enemy team from synergizing well with their support cards. With of course those level 5 Sac runes. 2× Horned Beast with Recycle 1× Lunar Goddess for her Recycle 2 to keep those low health Sacrificed cards coming. 2× Queen Temptress with Retreat for even more board control and hero rage control.
And since I'll already have those 2 HB recyclers I don't know if I'll really need Lunar goddess. I don't know, I'm working on getting the event booster packs to get her right now after the free 300 gems from Deck Heroes Maintainance last night. Thank youuuuuu IGG
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Post by zamock on Mar 19, 2018 21:01:03 GMT
You're right, I didn't even think of the agregious amount of Insta and retreat higher level folks have. Maybe this composition would work better - 1× Dragonlord for hero healing and Immunity plus FA 8 for the instakills and board control - 2× Swordmaster with Bloodlust 7 (because 4 Sac cards in one deck wouldn't do well at all with board control because I would constantly be killing my other Sac cards for a Sac on the one I just played. -2× Graboid with Sac 8 for Tank-i-ness for board control as well and to keep the enemy team from synergizing well with their support cards. With of course those level 5 Sac runes. 2× Horned Beast with Recycle 1× Lunar Goddess for her Recycle 2 to keep those low health Sacrificed cards coming. 2× Queen Temptress with Retreat for even more board control and hero rage control. And since I'll already have those 2 HB recyclers I don't know if I'll really need Lunar goddess. I don't know, I'm working on getting the event booster packs to get her right now after the free 300 gems from Deck Heroes Maintainance last night. Thank youuuuuu IGG This deck looks a lot better. I will assume you don't have revive, so maybe 2 rec1 + 1 rec2 could be a nice choice for your deck survivability. You should work on a Mythril Drone revive though. Also, don't do 2 sac 8 Graboids. I strongly recommend you to do a sac Twins instead, so you would have sac twins + sac graboid. You should always try to broaden the scope of your deck so that it counter more variations of enemies. For example, sac graboid can be hard countered by Dodge(if you don't have sweeping blow rune). If your enemie uses group tactics, dodge crits and have good dodge equipment, you will have a hard time hitting anything. But, twins can still hit with her twins defense even if her attack miss. I think swordmasters can be changed as well. You should swap them if you acquire higher tier cards.
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Post by vertigotraveler on Mar 19, 2018 22:40:48 GMT
I actually have Mythril Drone and and Oinari at the moment so it wouldn't take too much to get that revive Mythril. I got excited when I first started evolving anyway and Oinari's (very unlucky) 4th skill was FA 1 so I don't use her much anymore anyway unless I want a tank with feral fever 10 to boost neander attack. Which isn't often. And I never thought about broadening the scope of your deck like that, it makes since. Plus this way I only have to farm enough Graboids to meld Sac 8 on him and then only enough for Twins instead of killing my energy with farming for both. As for Swordmaster, I would love to hear what a good replacement for then would be, I've heard they're the best tanks in the game (even with only being 4* Human), but maybe I'll try something different. Any suggestions to help synergize with my tank/recycle deck? I'm looking for mostly Human and Fae, but I'm not faction specific so long as they work well with the rest of the team. Thanks for the guidance! Goodness knows I need it lol
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Post by vertigotraveler on Mar 19, 2018 22:41:25 GMT
Possibly an Ares and a Sea Wizard?
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Post by dendeze on Mar 20, 2018 7:23:03 GMT
I would replace RQT to VQT
Retreat doens't allways work witch mean no rage control, voodoo has higher chance of triggering
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Mar 20, 2018 14:19:48 GMT
I suggest not going for 2 sac cards (you want rune level at least 5, preferably higher if you do) - the reason is that there is a fair chance the second card will some along and take a %age based chunk of HP out of your previous sac card.
I never did meld a sac graboid, but my game experience is that sac twins is better - try BB8 on graboid, or FA is good for both cards defensively.
The previously sugested Swordmaster with Bloodlust 7 is the best SM meld for me - although I use this only in GM. Disposal is hellwolves, or stoneskins earlier (dulahan, royal dragon etc)
You need some bullseye too, pit dragon (BB8) and michael (bb8,imm7/8/9) are good options. Sac Anethema is a card you should look for in this kind of deck. (don't try sac Pit, its too easily disposed)
If you want to go with mass heal, then you want some boost crits - but you need to pick a faction. For Neander you can get mass heal taurus elder and Nidd, with rec/rev Nidd. Goes well with graboids and twins for damage (and taurus if your lucky!). For humans you use Paragon, rev/rec MD, michaels, oracles etc. rev/rec pontiff is OK here. Worlock hero. Cancer is the only good sac carrier I can think of to boost here - but you might want to consider attack boost skills if you want to go sac heavy.
If you do go sac heavy, you should be able to get some hero skills off, and although there are not many good cards with it, attack boost is better than HP boost for your sacs as support skills if you have plenty of heals. Get vit/viol/prot V runes on those big hitters and recyclers.
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Post by vertigotraveler on Mar 20, 2018 15:26:44 GMT
See I had previously thought that Sac 8 was like the skill of all skills. I mean I saw this guy who had a couple Sac cards with a Thor hero and his 2 Graboid were doing over 22,000 points of damage and with their sweeping blow skill, they wiped the board. Their Thor had Warlust or something and another skill I don't remember but they both multiplied the attack. Anyhow, I'm now realizing that it definitely has it's downsides for sure and have decided to go another route. Dodge, Immunity, FA, Stoneskin, and some stat boosters. Some of the creatures I was thinking were; Pontiff, Mythril w/revive, Paragon, 2 Horned Beast w/recycle, Lucky Sage (for retreat and silver starfall for stat boost and with her high rebirth rate you can't go wrong with her), Swordmaster (up to 2) w/Bloodlust or Immunity 9, Fafnir (up to 2) and I can't think of any Human or Fae creatures with Bullseye although I do have an Anathema, I would rather have something faction compliant. Thanks for all the help!
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Post by n4k3dm1k3 on Mar 21, 2018 13:58:32 GMT
battlecry and war hungry work very well with sac graboid, but its only viable if you have lower hero HP since the skills need you to be below a HP threshold to work. They also nolonger work together or with battleblow (technically they all grant battleblow). You used to be able to stack 3 multiplicative battleblow bonuses (and warlust etc), but that feature has been patched out - mainly to make people spend to progress in maps in my opinion. A good sac card will go a long way in the midgame, be sure they cannot be retreated though. Sweeping blow and bullseye are great on sac creatures, or anything direct damage that is boosted by atk/hp (twins, taurus etc). With 2 they can eat eachother - but you are short on damage so it might balance out. You can also run 1 sac per tourney deck, so 3 total melds is a good aim (and plenty of farming to be had!) Going forward, SM is a pretty weak card - graboid is much stronger, you can also try ash beast with frostblade (Imm SW is better long term) to give some lockdown. fafnir is only really good as rec/rev carrier - even with faction boosts, his atk is weak as his skills are mainly defensive. You will have issues eventually keeping those SMs alive long enough to do anything. Having longlastability is only good if you have concentrated damage to fall back on (OP cards or hero skills) For bulleseye, FA Paladin is OK early, Michael later and angel prime is great. Fae have valkarie. BB8 Michael is the biggest hitter, but they can all lack damage. Sac Ane is way stronger that those, even twins can work well as the skills bypass FA as they count as direct damage. Arcane sage can be strong, I have a lucky FA1 evolve on mine though it lost its place to accomodate an evolved Octavius. If you want to build decks for fun maximising faction bonus' (sage advice etc), then go ahead. If your looking for the best deck you can build it will end up being made up of all factions. My usual main deck runs 3 mortii, 4 human, 1 fae, 2 neander. (1 Fae now I have 2 revs). The core is 3 human (due to revive choices) 2 mortii, 1 neander, 1 fae. I could cycle in any other 3 cards and the deck would be as strong. Humans have some good support cards (fae similar less so, they tend to be more utility) but generally lack good damage dealers. Mortii has lots of rebirth and some strong cards mixing lockdown and damage. Neander have great damage dealers and some OK suport. Melds often benefit neaders alot, mortii have varied meld options (often utility), Humans like survivability skills and Fae's are a bit meh from my experience (I consider horned beast to transend factions), unless you pop an ordanace that is! Forget about the hero faction bonus as you get protection on 5* heroes.
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